App 23 roster/depth chart

[311neers]

Is the plans for Grant Tucker to play WR or DB? Or both?

I believe WR.

Landed as a WR, but he would be an OLB if he went to defensive side of the ball, which might be his future tbh. He played OLB in high school for Christian and WR on offense. He’s fast, has good size and strength for WR but doesn’t have the greatest hands. Either way he goes, he will be a stud for us.

[AppSt94]

Is the plans for Grant Tucker to play WR or DB? Or both?

I believe WR.

Landed as a WR, but he would be an OLB if he went to defensive side of the ball, which might be his future tbh. He played OLB in high school for Christian and WR on offense. He’s fast, has good size and strength for WR but doesn’t have the greatest hands. Either way he goes, he will be a stud for us.

He wasn’t recruited as an OLB but you never know.

[Stonewall]

Picking up one O lineman in a class has bitten us before . Coaches tell me 3-4 under normal circumstances , given wash outs , injuries and need for development.Wade leaving cost us 2 or 3 , perhaps 1 more according to a trusted source.No one stepped up in the interim so here we are .Perhaps we can pick up a couple Spring or Summer.

There is another aspect to the equation that needs to be acknowledged and that is the quality of the talent pool. Sometimes there isn’t enough quality in the quantity.

True , and often varies among positions year to year.We did make offers and host visitors that we wanted though and failed to close the deals.We have to find a way to make up for the misses.

You also have to look at who you are losing out to. 12 of the 19 offers out to hs tackles went to P5s. 11 of the 18 offers to IOL went to P5s or schools moving up to P5 next year.
Our blocking scheme requires a certain skill set to function. Clark knows what he is looking for. But to the point that you need to get 3-4 guys a year, if you just get 3-4 guys to fill the quota and not viable options, you are setting yourself up for failure.

Who is suggesting otherwise? We need difference makers .

[Stonewall]

Seems like Tabscott may not be in the plans moving forward... SC did not mention him as a Scholarship QB during his presser today. mentioned Mcbride, Burger and the 2 signees from today.

I noticed that too.Seems to settle that part of the equation.

[AppSt94]

Picking up one O lineman in a class has bitten us before . Coaches tell me 3-4 under normal circumstances , given wash outs , injuries and need for development.Wade leaving cost us 2 or 3 , perhaps 1 more according to a trusted source.No one stepped up in the interim so here we are .Perhaps we can pick up a couple Spring or Summer.

There is another aspect to the equation that needs to be acknowledged and that is the quality of the talent pool. Sometimes there isn’t enough quality in the quantity.

True , and often varies among positions year to year.We did make offers and host visitors that we wanted though and failed to close the deals.We have to find a way to make up for the misses.

You also have to look at who you are losing out to. 12 of the 19 offers out to hs tackles went to P5s. 11 of the 18 offers to IOL went to P5s or schools moving up to P5 next year.
Our blocking scheme requires a certain skill set to function. Clark knows what he is looking for. But to the point that you need to get 3-4 guys a year, if you just get 3-4 guys to fill the quota and not viable options, you are setting yourself up for failure.

Who is suggesting otherwise? We need difference makers .

So that we don’t have the same circular conversation that occurred between you and another member, you suggested that we couldn’t close a deal or two after Wade left because no one stepped up to recruit the kid in Wade’s absence? Is that correct?

[Mjohn1988]

Picking up one O lineman in a class has bitten us before . Coaches tell me 3-4 under normal circumstances , given wash outs , injuries and need for development.Wade leaving cost us 2 or 3 , perhaps 1 more according to a trusted source.No one stepped up in the interim so here we are .Perhaps we can pick up a couple Spring or Summer.

If we miss on O line recruiting then we have had a bad year of recruiting. I don’t care who else we got.

[Mjohn1988]

Picking up one O lineman in a class has bitten us before . Coaches tell me 3-4 under normal circumstances , given wash outs , injuries and need for development.Wade leaving cost us 2 or 3 , perhaps 1 more according to a trusted source.No one stepped up in the interim so here we are .Perhaps we can pick up a couple Spring or Summer.

There is another aspect to the equation that needs to be acknowledged and that is the quality of the talent pool. Sometimes there isn’t enough quality in the quantity.

True , and often varies among positions year to year.We did make offers and host visitors that we wanted though and failed to close the deals.We have to find a way to make up for the misses.

You also have to look at who you are losing out to. 12 of the 19 offers out to hs tackles went to P5s. 11 of the 18 offers to IOL went to P5s or schools moving up to P5 next year.
Our blocking scheme requires a certain skill set to function. Clark knows what he is looking for. But to the point that you need to get 3-4 guys a year, if you just get 3-4 guys to fill the quota and not viable options, you are setting yourself up for failure.

I know I give SC a hard time but it’s been 3 years, if he “knows what he is looking for” then why don’t we have the guys? I’m a broken record on this subject but if you don’t have a O line you don’t have on offense.

[Stonewall]

I am saying that we only signed one O lineman. Others have covered the details elsewhere.We have ground to make up.

[Stonewall]

Picking up one O lineman in a class has bitten us before . Coaches tell me 3-4 under normal circumstances , given wash outs , injuries and need for development.Wade leaving cost us 2 or 3 , perhaps 1 more according to a trusted source.No one stepped up in the interim so here we are .Perhaps we can pick up a couple Spring or Summer.

There is another aspect to the equation that needs to be acknowledged and that is the quality of the talent pool. Sometimes there isn’t enough quality in the quantity.

True , and often varies among positions year to year.We did make offers and host visitors that we wanted though and failed to close the deals.We have to find a way to make up for the misses.

You also have to look at who you are losing out to. 12 of the 19 offers out to hs tackles went to P5s. 11 of the 18 offers to IOL went to P5s or schools moving up to P5 next year.
Our blocking scheme requires a certain skill set to function. Clark knows what he is looking for. But to the point that you need to get 3-4 guys a year, if you just get 3-4 guys to fill the quota and not viable options, you are setting yourself up for failure.

I know I give SC a hard time but it’s been 3 years, if he “knows what he is looking for” then why don’t we have the guys? I’m a broken record on this subject but if you don’t have a O line you don’t have on offense.

The statement that I understood him to make today that we didn't lose recruits to G5s is contradicted by the fact that we did.I find this bothersome as well.

[AppSt94]

Picking up one O lineman in a class has bitten us before . Coaches tell me 3-4 under normal circumstances , given wash outs , injuries and need for development.Wade leaving cost us 2 or 3 , perhaps 1 more according to a trusted source.No one stepped up in the interim so here we are .Perhaps we can pick up a couple Spring or Summer.

There is another aspect to the equation that needs to be acknowledged and that is the quality of the talent pool. Sometimes there isn’t enough quality in the quantity.

True , and often varies among positions year to year.We did make offers and host visitors that we wanted though and failed to close the deals.We have to find a way to make up for the misses.

You also have to look at who you are losing out to. 12 of the 19 offers out to hs tackles went to P5s. 11 of the 18 offers to IOL went to P5s or schools moving up to P5 next year.
Our blocking scheme requires a certain skill set to function. Clark knows what he is looking for. But to the point that you need to get 3-4 guys a year, if you just get 3-4 guys to fill the quota and not viable options, you are setting yourself up for failure.

I know I give SC a hard time but it’s been 3 years, if he “knows what he is looking for” then why don’t we have the guys? I’m a broken record on this subject but if you don’t have a O line you don’t have on offense.

That’s a fair question but what makes you so sure that he doesn’t have the right guys? I understand what you are implying but you have 4 of the 5 from the previous season so is it a talent issue or is there an issue that isn’t seen with the naked eye?

[goapps93]

Recruiting isn’t over for next season. There is another signing period and others will be entering the portal after bowl season. The recruiting landscape has changed and it’s going to take some time for us fans to get used to it.

[GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool]

Recruiting isn’t over for next season. There is another signing period and others will be entering the portal after bowl season. The recruiting landscape has changed and it’s going to take some time for us fans to get used to it.

Wild to consider that Feb was the customary signing day, but has been surpassed by early signing day, and now portal day too. Lot of off season to go.

[Appst86]

Copied the list from above because it’s a pretty good start.

RB we know- Noel, Marshall, Robert, Castle, will sign 1 more for depth. (Bishop or Calhoun is my guess). Accurate
WR we know- Robinson, Davis, Stroman, Horn, Pinckney, the 2 transfers, Coen Sutton.(I would add Hetzel to the list and drop Pinckney and Sutton) Pinckney has done nothing in three years so no reason to expect anything going forward. Same for Sutton to this point but no reason to close the book yet. Young kid with a lot of promise.
QB room is done, just dont know who wins the race. Burger, McBride, Tabscott, Aguilar and some clipboard guys. It’s Burger, McBride, McHugh and Aguilar. I expect nothing from Tabscott.
DB- would think the JuCo Transfer kids get inserted immediately and rotate young guys. Strictly CBs: Ethan Johnson will be good as will Philyaw. Tucker is a good depth piece and Edwards was a true freshman this year that didn’t get any press. I expect that these four are in the mix and we will see what the transfers and JuCos bring to the table along with DJ VanHook
Safeties: Nick Ross is back at SS with Jordan Favors and I expect Burks to take over FS with Clarke backing him up. Plus a couple of the JuCo kids.
DL- Earle, KaRon, Clark for run stuffers. Accurate

Ends- Pailant, DDP, McKnight, Passagiata, Hopper, Haigler and Abrams Verwayne return. the 3 DE transfers. Nate Johnson, Aj Mebane. We seem to be loaded on the DL now.Probably forgetting some pieces. The top 6 and the transfers give you a solid depth and you still have the TF mentioned above and Josiah Wyatt.
LBs- inside you have Parker, Farrah, Arnholt who can play inside or outside, and Moffit and Gooch. Outside you have MCLeod, Gooch (can play both) Spellma and Sullivan. Harrington could come back but doubtful. signed 4 LB's so feel like we lose alot at LB position.
OL- Core of Helms, Bucky Williams and Everett. Daley might be back, I’m not sure. Ramsey and Samuel can play tackle along with Bucky and it’s time for Lindsay and Seth Williams to step up. You need 8-10 that are capable of consistency and this group is a solid start.
TE- Gibbs, Larkins and Wilson are a solid trio.
Kicker- Hughes (i think)
Punter - Aussie Aussie

Does anyone have insight on Colston Powers' progression? He and Everett were on the same HS team in VA and Powers was the higher rated recruit but I've not seen him on the field. Jaden Lindsay is the highest rated OL we've ever signed, had P5 offers, but has not played. Our 2021 class had Lindsay, Powers, Everett, Essek, and Ramsey.

Lindsay- Redshirted in 21, did not play in 22
Powers- Redshirted in 21, did not play in 22
Everett- Redshirted in 21 but played in 3 games. Started several games in 22.
Essek- No longer on the roster
Ramsey- Redshirted in 21 but played in 3 games. Played in 2 games against the FCS teams in 22.

Was hopeful for this group but to date, not as much production as anticipated.

[AppSt94]

OL guys and DL as well take a little longer usually because they need to work on technique, reshape their bodies and learn to handle guys the same size and bigger on a consistent basis before they can get on the field. Of the group that you mentioned above, Everett was probably the most game ready coming out of high school. Ramsey showed enough consistency to see the most playing time. Lindsay, by all accounts is getting there but needs to be more consistent. Powers’ situation is a bit different from my understanding.

[WVAPPeer]

"I know I give SC a hard time but it’s been 3 years, if he “knows what he is looking for” then why don’t we have the guys? I’m a broken record on this subject but if you don’t have a O line you don’t have on offense."

Just a reminder that both our OTs were voted 1st team All-Conf and another OL was voted to 2nd team (I believe) and our TE was second team as well ---

[bigdaddyg]

I think a key to our defense is getting and playing linebackers who are closer to 6'3" and at least 230lbs. I realize that's easier said than done but the 6'0" 210lb dudes ain't getting it done.

[AppSt94]

I think a key to our defense is getting and playing linebackers who are closer to 6'3" and at least 230lbs. I realize that's easier said than done but the 6'0" 210lb dudes ain't getting it done.

Do you mean that we need guys that size across the 4 or more in terms of inside guys.

[Saint3333]

This past season oline wasn't the problem, the problem was situational play calling and pretending 7 dudes could block 9.

The oline concern is for next year, losing a top 5 OT ever to wear the black and gold isn't going to be easy and as of 12/22 we lack depth at that position group. Getting two via the portal is likely priority #1 and #2.

[mike87]

Disagree. O-line wasn't up to the standards set by the O-lines of years past. Got some good dudes but they didn't get it done as a group.

[Mjohn1988]

There is another aspect to the equation that needs to be acknowledged and that is the quality of the talent pool. Sometimes there isn’t enough quality in the quantity.

True , and often varies among positions year to year.We did make offers and host visitors that we wanted though and failed to close the deals.We have to find a way to make up for the misses.

You also have to look at who you are losing out to. 12 of the 19 offers out to hs tackles went to P5s. 11 of the 18 offers to IOL went to P5s or schools moving up to P5 next year.
Our blocking scheme requires a certain skill set to function. Clark knows what he is looking for. But to the point that you need to get 3-4 guys a year, if you just get 3-4 guys to fill the quota and not viable options, you are setting yourself up for failure.

I know I give SC a hard time but it’s been 3 years, if he “knows what he is looking for” then why don’t we have the guys? I’m a broken record on this subject but if you don’t have a O line you don’t have on offense.

That’s a fair question but what makes you so sure that he doesn’t have the right guys? I understand what you are implying but you have 4 of the 5 from the previous season so is it a talent issue or is there an issue that isn’t seen with the naked eye?

I haven’t been particularly impressed with our O line play over the last 3 years. I could point out things in a number of games but I’ll just go to this one. We couldn’t impose our will on Robert Morris. They forced us to throw the ball.