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Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:01 pm
by appstatealum
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:57 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:55 pm
More heads rolling this week.....
Hopefully one of them shares a name with a car brand…
No. Ha
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:12 pm
by yosef69
appstatealum wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:01 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:57 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:55 pm
More heads rolling this week.....
Hopefully one of them shares a name with a car brand…
No. Ha
Hm. To my eyes that was one of the worst position groups compared to previous years
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:13 pm
by 311neers
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:12 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:01 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:57 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:55 pm
More heads rolling this week.....
Hopefully one of them shares a name with a car brand…
No. Ha
Hm. To my eyes that was one of the worst position groups compared to previous years
Seems like he’s a good recruiter. We’ve offered a lot of OL in the past couple of weeks which makes me think we’re keeping him. He might be close to landing 2 or 3.
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:16 pm
by AppStateNews
311neers wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:13 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:12 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:01 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:57 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:55 pm
More heads rolling this week.....
Hopefully one of them shares a name with a car brand…
No. Ha
Hm. To my eyes that was one of the worst position groups compared to previous years
Seems like he’s a good recruiter. We’ve offered a lot of OL in the past couple of weeks which makes me think we’re keeping him. He might be close to landing 2 or 3.
He is a good recruiter, but there's something going on there. There's a reason Clark had to finish the season coaching the o line..
That said, I have not heard he's on the chopping block
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:17 pm
by appstatealum
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:12 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:01 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:57 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:55 pm
More heads rolling this week.....
Hopefully one of them shares a name with a car brand…
No. Ha
Hm. To my eyes that was one of the worst position groups compared to previous years
They def fell apart as the season progressed. But the Geep won't be on cinder blocks just yet....
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:31 pm
by AppGrad78
A bit of raw data to aid this discussion:
Where App State finished nationally out of 131 teams:
Total offense: 26th best in the country
Rushing offense: 21st
Passing offense: 47th
Sacks allowed: 34th
Passes had intercepted: 19th
Third-down conversions: 78th
Fourth-down conversions: 72nd
Total defense: 35th best in the country
Rushing defense: 36th
Passing defense: 60th
Sacks: 46th
Interceptions: 94th
Third-down conversion stops: 101th
Fourth-down conversion stops: 62nd
Penalties: 48th
Turnover margin: 12th
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:33 pm
by 311neers
AppGrad78 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:31 pm
A bit of raw data to aid this discussion:
Where App State finished nationally out of 131 teams:
Total offense: 26th best in the country
Rushing offense: 21st
Passing offense: 47th
Sacks allowed: 34th
Passes had intercepted: 19th
Third-down conversions: 78th
Fourth-down conversions: 72nd
Total defense: 35th best in the country
Rushing defense: 36th
Passing defense: 60th
Sacks: 46th
Interceptions: 94th
Third-down conversion stops: 101th
Fourth-down conversion stops: 62nd
Penalties: 48th
Turnover margin: 12th
3rd and 4th down conversions. On both sides. That’ll do it.
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:41 pm
by ASUFan4863
I think the 3rd and 4th down stats show it is more of a coaching problem. The calls were terrible in many of these situations. I think we only had 4 plays from the same formation to get 1 yard on offense all year. Run up the middle; Read Option; RPO to Pearson; RPO to a slot WR in motion. All of these failed in the games we lost.
I think the RPOs are good plays but when you constantly do them in every short yardage situation, eventually a good coach/team is going to figure it out.
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:02 pm
by Rekdiver
How many 3rd and longs did we have?
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:03 pm
by Rekdiver
And on defense how many 3rd and shorts?
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:29 pm
by 311neers
Rekdiver wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:02 pm
How many 3rd and longs did we have?
Too many because 1st down runs went for nothing followed by incompletes.
Gave up way to many 3rd and longs (3rd and 7+). Someone can pull the data but that's what it felt like all year.
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:33 pm
by Longrifle28
If our PERSONNEL is not up to snuff, who is responsible for recruiting and player development?
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:33 pm
by WVAPPeer
AppGrad78 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:31 pm
A bit of raw data to aid this discussion:
Where App State finished nationally out of 131 teams:
Total offense: 26th best in the country
Rushing offense: 21st
Passing offense: 47th
Sacks allowed: 34th
Passes had intercepted: 19th
Third-down conversions: 78th
Fourth-down conversions: 72nd
Total defense: 35th best in the country
Rushing defense: 36th
Passing defense: 60th
Sacks: 46th
Interceptions: 94th
Third-down conversion stops: 101th
Fourth-down conversion stops: 62nd
Penalties: 48th
Turnover margin: 12th
We can't let facts get in the way ---
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:34 pm
by Longrifle28
Rekdiver wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:02 pm
How many 3rd and longs did we have?
Enough that David Jackson made a point of it on one of our game broadcasts.
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:37 pm
by Longrifle28
Longrifle28 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:34 pm
Rekdiver wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:02 pm
How many 3rd and longs did we have?
Enough that David Jackson made a point of it on one of our game broadcasts.
Excuse me, this wasn't for offense. David Jackson's comment was about the number of 3rd and longs we gave up.
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:18 pm
by bigdaddyg
How many 3rd and longs did we create? So only 30 teams failed to stop opponents on 3rd down. What is considered "long"?
I'd like to see the stat showing the number of 3rd downs created by a defense.
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:20 pm
by yosef69
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:33 pm
AppGrad78 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:31 pm
A bit of raw data to aid this discussion:
Where App State finished nationally out of 131 teams:
Total offense: 26th best in the country
Rushing offense: 21st
Passing offense: 47th
Sacks allowed: 34th
Passes had intercepted: 19th
Third-down conversions: 78th
Fourth-down conversions: 72nd
Total defense: 35th best in the country
Rushing defense: 36th
Passing defense: 60th
Sacks: 46th
Interceptions: 94th
Third-down conversion stops: 101th
Fourth-down conversion stops: 62nd
Penalties: 48th
Turnover margin: 12th
We can't let facts get in the way ---
Fact is that was bad enough that our head coach fired the man in charge of the defense.
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:36 pm
by NattyBumppo'sRevenge
AppGrad78 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:31 pm
A bit of raw data to aid this discussion:
Where App State finished nationally out of 131 teams:
Total offense: 26th best in the country
Rushing offense: 21st
Passing offense: 47th
Sacks allowed: 34th
Passes had intercepted: 19th
Third-down conversions: 78th
Fourth-down conversions: 72nd
Total defense: 35th best in the country
Rushing defense: 36th
Passing defense: 60th
Sacks: 46th
Interceptions: 94th
Third-down conversion stops: 101th
Fourth-down conversion stops: 62nd
Penalties: 48th
Turnover margin: 12th
I wonder if you take out one of our FCS games how much those rankings change
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:39 pm
by Stonewall
ASUFan4863 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:41 pm
I think the 3rd and 4th down stats show it is more of a coaching problem. The calls were terrible in many of these situations. I think we only had 4 plays from the same formation to get 1 yard on offense all year. Run up the middle; Read Option; RPO to Pearson; RPO to a slot WR in motion. All of these failed in the games we lost.
I think the RPOs are good plays but when you constantly do them in every short yardage situation, eventually a good coach/team is going to figure it out.
We were a step or two slow.
Re: Dale Jones out - Footballscoop
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:22 pm
by AppStFan1
AppStateNews wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:16 pm
311neers wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:13 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:12 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:01 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:57 pm
Hopefully one of them shares a name with a car brand…
No. Ha
Hm. To my eyes that was one of the worst position groups compared to previous years
Seems like he’s a good recruiter. We’ve offered a lot of OL in the past couple of weeks which makes me think we’re keeping him. He might be close to landing 2 or 3.
He is a good recruiter, but there's something going on there. There's a reason Clark had to finish the season coaching the o line..
That said, I have not heard he's on the chopping block
As long as they figure it out now. No excuse to hear issues still come summer or next season. If someone has an issue and can’t patch it up then they should go. We don’t need this boiling over to next year.