WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:43 am

"I've seen three straight seasons of regression. "

Would you like to explain how finishing 10-2 last season with a division championship is regression???

We were 10-4 last year.

If you can't see the regression, then nothing I can say will make any difference.

Doesn't a program need a 3 or so year drop to be considered regressing? We don't seem to have internal strife, guys are not getting arrested, academics appear to be doing well? We have some stud players returning next year. I think we could return most if not all of the offensive line. Lots of skill guys. Go pluck half a dozen big boys and a few DB's and get things right.

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:43 am

"I've seen three straight seasons of regression. "

Would you like to explain how finishing 10-2 last season with a division championship is regression???

6-8 in the last 14 games.
Only winning against treams with losing records, for the most part.
Losing to CC, JMU, GA S, UL 3x......
Got lucky with Troy

We were 10-2 and because of that great regular season we were rewarded with 2 extra games - how many teams were rewarded with 2 extra games??? - 19 out of 132 - yes that is regression?
6-6 is a very mediocre season but one 6-6 season is not a trend - it is one season

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:04 am

We were 10-2 and because of that great regular season we were rewarded with 2 extra games - how many teams were rewarded with 2 extra games??? - 19 out of 132 - yes that is regression?
6-6 is a very mediocre season but one 6-6 season is not a trend - it is one season

Just admit the team is trending down and how corrections will be made that were not made last off season..... App State football was brutal to watch for the first time in a long time.
All the fans want to know is the problems are fixable AND will be fixed.

Of the 20 teams who played in FBS championship games only 3 won the final 2 games -
One season is not a downward trend

PhillyApp1 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:09 am

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:04 am

We were 10-2 and because of that great regular season we were rewarded with 2 extra games - how many teams were rewarded with 2 extra games??? - 19 out of 132 - yes that is regression?
6-6 is a very mediocre season but one 6-6 season is not a trend - it is one season

Just admit the team is trending down and how corrections will be made that were not made last off season..... App State football was brutal to watch for the first time in a long time.
All the fans want to know is the problems are fixable AND will be fixed.

All the problems are fixable and they will be fixed. Happy?

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:52 am

Of the 20 teams who played in FBS championship games only 3 won the final 2 games -
One season is not a downward trend

But three is.
25-13 in the last three years. 4 of those against FCS. Only 7 wins against teams with winning records. Only 2 wins in games where we were favored by seven or less. 0-3 against UL, 1-2 against Coastal; both teams we had never lost to before.

It's a definite downward trend.

But, we have been told it will be fixed. All we can do is watch next year and see if that is the case.

appst89 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:08 am

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:52 am

Of the 20 teams who played in FBS championship games only 3 won the final 2 games -
One season is not a downward trend

But three is.
25-13 in the last three years. 4 of those against FCS. Only 7 wins against teams with winning records. Only 2 wins in games where we were favored by seven or less. 0-3 against UL, 1-2 against Coastal; both teams we had never lost to before.

It's a definite downward trend.

But, we have been told it will be fixed. All we can do is watch next year and see if that is the case.

The question that I have for the fans is will you be able to look past the record to notice positive change?

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:11 am

appst89 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:08 am

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:52 am

Of the 20 teams who played in FBS championship games only 3 won the final 2 games -
One season is not a downward trend

But three is.
25-13 in the last three years. 4 of those against FCS. Only 7 wins against teams with winning records. Only 2 wins in games where we were favored by seven or less. 0-3 against UL, 1-2 against Coastal; both teams we had never lost to before.

It's a definite downward trend.

But, we have been told it will be fixed. All we can do is watch next year and see if that is the case.

The question that I have for the fans is will you be able to look past the record to notice positive change?

So we’re already making excuses for next years record?

It’s not a trend until Luke Combs sings opening anthem for UNC.

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:11 am

appst89 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:08 am

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:52 am

Of the 20 teams who played in FBS championship games only 3 won the final 2 games -
One season is not a downward trend

But three is.
25-13 in the last three years. 4 of those against FCS. Only 7 wins against teams with winning records. Only 2 wins in games where we were favored by seven or less. 0-3 against UL, 1-2 against Coastal; both teams we had never lost to before.

It's a definite downward trend.

But, we have been told it will be fixed. All we can do is watch next year and see if that is the case.

The question that I have for the fans is will you be able to look past the record to notice positive change?

I try to look at the positives and improvements. However, I don't want someone coming here and telling me I'm not seeing what I am definitely seeing. Even if you try to be constructive you are viewed as a hater.

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:11 am

appst89 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:08 am

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:52 am

Of the 20 teams who played in FBS championship games only 3 won the final 2 games -
One season is not a downward trend

But three is.
25-13 in the last three years. 4 of those against FCS. Only 7 wins against teams with winning records. Only 2 wins in games where we were favored by seven or less. 0-3 against UL, 1-2 against Coastal; both teams we had never lost to before.

It's a definite downward trend.

But, we have been told it will be fixed. All we can do is watch next year and see if that is the case.

The question that I have for the fans is will you be able to look past the record to notice positive change?

I guess that's going to depend on whether there is actual noticeable and measurable improvement. My expectations for next year's record are pretty low, so I shouldn't have much trouble looking past it.

yosef69 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:12 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:11 am

appst89 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:08 am

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:52 am

Of the 20 teams who played in FBS championship games only 3 won the final 2 games -
One season is not a downward trend

But three is.
25-13 in the last three years. 4 of those against FCS. Only 7 wins against teams with winning records. Only 2 wins in games where we were favored by seven or less. 0-3 against UL, 1-2 against Coastal; both teams we had never lost to before.

It's a definite downward trend.

But, we have been told it will be fixed. All we can do is watch next year and see if that is the case.

The question that I have for the fans is will you be able to look past the record to notice positive change?

So we’re already making excuses for next years record?

So you are only going to be happy if we win at least 9 games as the floor?

Since 2000 (23 seasons) the Mountaineers have a record of 217 wins and 82 losses.

That averages out to 9.4 wins and 3.6 losses over the past 23 years.

That's a winning percentage of 73%.

These stats should definitely be leveraged to shine a light on just how good App football has been over a generation.

I absolutely expect 8 to 9 wins a season. Based on the past two plus decades that shouldn't be a high bar to clear.

Edit:

18 of 23 seasons App has won 8 or more games.
2 seasons of 7 wins (2003, 2014).
2 seasons of 6 wins (2004, 2022).
1 losing season of 4 wins (2013).

RankinApp wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:15 pm

Next year's OOC is Gardner-Webb, at UNC, ECU and at Wyoming.

Imagine a 1-3 start before conference play even starts. It's a real possibility.

Looks like 4-0 to me.

We will be underdogs in 3 of the 4.

I have been to every game this year, except Texas St. The losses I saw, coulda gone either way.

I have been going to App games since the early 1980s; season tickets holder since late 1990s.

What do I see this year? An enigma. We had players in place to do good (except maybe for DBs & that woulda been good, except for some classroom issues); & my biggest concern at the start of the season was a non-issue this year (the WRs). I was counting on Peoples being 100%, but he was not. The rest of the RBs filled in nicely. The Oline looked good sometimes & other times they weren't on the same page as everyone else. Chase Brice was the real deal; a great passer; I just wish he was more mobile. Tre Cobb's injury in the Coastal game was a real loss (& I think he was not 100% for some earlier games). The passing D needs some improvements; Nothing wrong with App's run D. Special teams were OK, not great. No blocked punts this year & there were numerous times where I thought we could have blocked more field goals if they had tried.

Despite criticism from this board, it appeared to me that the coaches were calling in plays which would have given us a chance to win. We had those chances; given that all losses but one were within one score. We just did not execute for whatever reason. There is a certain amount of luck to any sporting event (just ask England about that). This year we had more bad luck than good. That will change.

But, I still have not quite put my finger on what the problem was this year. Here's my best guess though. I think Coach Clark and all the players were just trying too hard. Laugh if you wish; fine. But, everything was in place for us to have a better season than we did. I think we just need to go out next year with more purpose to have fun & play hard. That starts with the HC. Coach Moore kept saying that same phrase for a reason (usually referring to the other team); but he sure implied that we were playing hard & having fun doing it. If I had any message for Coach Clark next year, it is this: Just have fun & play hard.

We'll be OK. All you doomsaying negative nellies, just need to chill & come visit our tailgate next year.

Stonewall wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:30 pm

We will be underdogs in 3 of the 4.

You think?

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:42 pm

Stonewall wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:30 pm

We will be underdogs in 3 of the 4.

You think?

My guess would be dogs vs ECU and UNC.