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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by AppSt94 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:28 am

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But we all knew, or at least thought that this was a rebuilding year. Replacing half the defensive starters and all of the WRs is not easy for anyone.
And all while playing our toughest schedule ever. These negative nellies have no perspective.
I think the original point is valid. “Trap games” usually refer to games you’re supposed win easy. You’re felling good, and you have a chance of loosing focus. We’ve had one easy win, we’re not in a position to be feeling too good about things so right now we shouldn’t have a “trap game”. We should be thinking anything could happen, practicing hard and staying focused. Troy and JMU were supposed to be easy wins.
Who said? That’s the issue. Nothing is easy. We scored 61 at home and lost and went on the road, scored 17 and won. Football is wild and winning isn’t easy.
Who said Troy and JMU should have been easy wins? If that’s the question a bunch of people, heck JMU is transitioning up to FBS and we’re supposed to be one of the best G5 teams. By the way, I agree that anything can happen but if everyone agreed with that thought there would be no “trap games”.
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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by appfanjj » Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:28 am

Is this a Texas State discussion or a state of the program discussion?

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Re: TX St discussion

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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by AppSt94 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:31 am

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Is this a Texas State discussion or a state of the program discussion? :D :D :D :D
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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:45 am

AppSt94 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:28 am
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:15 am
AppSt94 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:06 am
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:54 am
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Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:18 am


And all while playing our toughest schedule ever. These negative nellies have no perspective.
I think the original point is valid. “Trap games” usually refer to games you’re supposed win easy. You’re felling good, and you have a chance of loosing focus. We’ve had one easy win, we’re not in a position to be feeling too good about things so right now we shouldn’t have a “trap game”. We should be thinking anything could happen, practicing hard and staying focused. Troy and JMU were supposed to be easy wins.
Who said? That’s the issue. Nothing is easy. We scored 61 at home and lost and went on the road, scored 17 and won. Football is wild and winning isn’t easy.
Who said Troy and JMU should have been easy wins? If that’s the question a bunch of people, heck JMU is transitioning up to FBS and we’re supposed to be one of the best G5 teams. By the way, I agree that anything can happen but if everyone agreed with that thought there would be no “trap games”.
You did.
Actually I didn’t but if you don’t think folks thought we would Cruz by Troy and JMU you don’t pay much attention.

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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:51 am

Not so - everyone I talk with all said that prior to the JMU game that they concerned them
And to think that flying to TX and back and beating a top 5 team we were just going to roll Troy? - No Way Man ---
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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:01 pm

No conference game is a trap game in college football. Just my opinion. You only get 8 opponents. I can see this in basketball with so many games.
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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by AppSt94 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:03 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:45 am
AppSt94 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:28 am
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:15 am
AppSt94 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:06 am
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:54 am


I think the original point is valid. “Trap games” usually refer to games you’re supposed win easy. You’re felling good, and you have a chance of loosing focus. We’ve had one easy win, we’re not in a position to be feeling too good about things so right now we shouldn’t have a “trap game”. We should be thinking anything could happen, practicing hard and staying focused. Troy and JMU were supposed to be easy wins.
Who said? That’s the issue. Nothing is easy. We scored 61 at home and lost and went on the road, scored 17 and won. Football is wild and winning isn’t easy.
Who said Troy and JMU should have been easy wins? If that’s the question a bunch of people, heck JMU is transitioning up to FBS and we’re supposed to be one of the best G5 teams. By the way, I agree that anything can happen but if everyone agreed with that thought there would be no “trap games”.
You did.
Actually I didn’t but if you don’t think folks thought we would Cruz by Troy and JMU you don’t pay much attention.
Fortunately, I don’t listen to folks not connected. :D

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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by AppOrange » Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:34 pm

I read the string, in all my observations this year, we are a lot better as a team defensively if we tackle better, way too much YAC compared to recent years. Wrap up and hold on if need be.
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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:27 pm

I really feel like if we had a bye week before JMU we would have sealed the deal. It was a perfect recipe for a loss. They really handed us that early lead but they are legit and took it to us. I really don't see that FCS to FBS transition as a real issue with them. Except for the fewer scholarships they still trot out solid players at least among the starters. They didn't go from middling FCS but from the top 5 (maybe the second best). If we can get totally healthy by game 9 we should be able to make a good run at 10-2.

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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:51 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:28 am
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:15 am
AppSt94 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:06 am
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:54 am
AppinATL wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:18 am


And all while playing our toughest schedule ever. These negative nellies have no perspective.
I think the original point is valid. “Trap games” usually refer to games you’re supposed win easy. You’re felling good, and you have a chance of loosing focus. We’ve had one easy win, we’re not in a position to be feeling too good about things so right now we shouldn’t have a “trap game”. We should be thinking anything could happen, practicing hard and staying focused. Troy and JMU were supposed to be easy wins.
Who said? That’s the issue. Nothing is easy. We scored 61 at home and lost and went on the road, scored 17 and won. Football is wild and winning isn’t easy.
Who said Troy and JMU should have been easy wins? If that’s the question a bunch of people, heck JMU is transitioning up to FBS and we’re supposed to be one of the best G5 teams. By the way, I agree that anything can happen but if everyone agreed with that thought there would be no “trap games”.
You did.
You actually did predict easy wins for us.

You picked App 41-10 over Troy and 31 points is a pretty easy win: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24145&start=40

28 points is a fairly easy win and you picked App 49-21 over JMU. See here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24289&start=20

For someone who only listens to those in the know you missed bad on both the margin and scores.

Be careful blindly listening to insiders. A lot of insiders will sugarcoat or spin to make themselves look better. Egos will do that to folks. You would be surprised how much BS that coaches tell people outside of NFL teams and those deep inside the program. Very few coaches are going to give the 100% hardcore truth as they know it to media members or boosters. I know of cases where coaches have publicly told media how great a kid is off the field when in reality he is a huge pain in their butts and they can't wait for him to leave for example. I have seen stuff written by folks who cover our team that are the exact opposite of what NFL teams are told about some of our players. Either those media members are being given sugarcoated info by our coaches and staff or they are guessing because the staff does not tell them.
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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:56 pm

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I really feel like if we had a bye week before JMU we would have sealed the deal. It was a perfect recipe for a loss. They really handed us that early lead but they are legit and took it to us. I really don't see that FCS to FBS transition as a real issue with them. Except for the fewer scholarships they still trot out solid players at least among the starters. They didn't go from middling FCS but from the top 5 (maybe the second best). If we can get totally healthy by game 9 we should be able to make a good run at 10-2.
Agreed. That is why I thought it would be a closer game than people expected. I did not see a loss but thought it would be more like a 10 point game or less because JMU is a good team and had plenty of time to prepare. The bottom line is we were up 25 points and blew the lead. There are some on 247 who were getting into financial talk about that and I'm like if money is holding us back then we never should have had the 25 point lead. If JMU is spending way more than us and has more than us then maybe they should have been called up before we were. Some of the "we lack money" talk is just annoying because the reality is we moved up knowing this. It is almost like we still have some who think we should go back to FCS because it is too expensive. Missing or hitting on a player is not all to do with money. I watched ECU earlier this year and they have a RT who only had an offer from ECU out of high school and no interest from us who will likely get drafted. He played at Marlboro County. Missing on that kid has nothing to do with money. We went to Florida and hit on Hodges. You would think we would not have found Hodges and hit on that ECU OT if it is all money. Having more money helps but Jimbo Fisher has the most at A&M and we see how that works out for him.

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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:58 pm

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No conference game is a trap game in college football. Just my opinion. You only get 8 opponents. I can see this in basketball with so many games.
I partly agree with you here. Sometimes players overlook an opponent though so that is why some on the inside consider a game a trap game. It can be very hard to get players up for certain opponents and thus an upset will happen. I have heard Jerry Moore and other App coaches say something along those lines. I will never forget the VMI loss. That was a true trap game. We were looking at a top 2 or 3 seed, I believe, and VMI was like 0-10. We lose that game with a flat crowd and the players were flat. Players absolutely do overlook certain opponents or at least struggle to get hype in certain situations due to coming off a big win, playing a really bad team, bad crowd, etc.

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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:03 pm

I think JMU is pretty much in line with the other SBC teams with scholarships/depth - because of the covid year and transfer portal
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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:55 pm

The transfer (free agent) portal has potentially changed the landscape of college football. A team can lose a bunch of experience via graduation but potentially load back up if they convince the right players to transfer in. I tend to think that a majority of the players who enter the portal are probably not that great or they would have played where they were but obviously there are exceptions. At the very least a team can bring in older more mature (physically) players to plug holes. I wonder how many transfers JMU has. Not sure if anyone actually reported that. The older transition process was dramatically different.

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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:37 pm

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Not so - everyone I talk with all said that prior to the JMU game that they concerned them
And to think that flying to TX and back and beating a top 5 team we were just going to roll Troy? - No Way Man ---
Agreed. I expected to win both but thought they would likely be very close games. Anyone who picked a 24+ point win for either just has no clue what teams go through and the dynamics of that schedule. They also don't realize how good the Sun Belt has become. We are the best G5 league in the country hands down once Cincy, UCF, and Houston go to Big 12.

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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:46 pm

bigdaddyg wrote:
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The transfer (free agent) portal has potentially changed the landscape of college football. A team can lose a bunch of experience via graduation but potentially load back up if they convince the right players to transfer in. I tend to think that a majority of the players who enter the portal are probably not that great or they would have played where they were but obviously there are exceptions. At the very least a team can bring in older more mature (physically) players to plug holes. I wonder how many transfers JMU has. Not sure if anyone actually reported that. The older transition process was dramatically different.
If you go by the numbers of players, for all levels according to NCAA, 49% of those who go in portal transfer, 43% are active, and 7% withdrew. Definitely have to get the right ones. Of the 49% I wonder how many start at their new program. I'm going to guess half? There are exceptions for sure but if you look at every name who enters the majority are definitely not any good.

You can just see those names on 247 and On3 who are from FBS schools. I have seen a lot who went from a small school to another small school that don't even get put on those websites.

JMU has 25 transfers, according to website.

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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by JTApps1 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:17 pm

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1. Scoring during the "middle 8"- we need to play better and score more during the last 4 minutes of 1st half and first 4 minutes of 2nd half. I think that this is something that is going to plague us all year. No real reason to think this but there is always something that you have to overcome.
2. Decrease points allowed on defense. We are averaging 7 more points allowed per game than 2020 & 2021. You can’t discount any one game but we have given up 137 points this season. Almost half came in one game.
3. Decrease yards allowed, especially passing yards, on defense. We are averaging 4 yards less through the air than last year. 17 more on the ground.
All against the toughest 4 game opening stretch we've ever had.
When will "It's better than what we had" no longer be good enough for App State?

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Re: TX St discussion

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Re: TX St discussion

Unread post by WASU 93 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:03 pm

bigdaddyg wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:55 pm
The transfer (free agent) portal has potentially changed the landscape of college football. A team can lose a bunch of experience via graduation but potentially load back up if they convince the right players to transfer in. I tend to think that a majority of the players who enter the portal are probably not that great or they would have played where they were but obviously there are exceptions. At the very least a team can bring in older more mature (physically) players to plug holes. I wonder how many transfers JMU has. Not sure if anyone actually reported that. The older transition process was dramatically different.
I am thinking QB is always going to be an exception. Only one QB gets playing time in a non-injury situation. You can be a talented #2 and never see the field. At other positions, you get playing time as a back-up. (Specialist positions like K/P/LS would also follow this model)

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