Changed the title name - didn't think the previous one was on-point
I know some of you will think this is lame, so you can fast forward
For those as bored as me, - here goes ---
Take a 5 year period of APP football and compare to another 5 year period - My thoughts are the
2005-6-7-8-9
VS.
2015-16-17-18-19
***Individual matchups - grouping matchups - unit matchups OR give us your starting lineups for the teams
***Please include those I have missed

***I have indicated those who have played pro ball or hopefully will play pro ball - IN RED

THE FCS TEAM vs THE FBS TEAM

QB - Armanti - Richie
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Zac - Taylor

RB KRich, Devon Moore, Cadet
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Darryton, Marcus Cox, Jalin Moore, M. Williams

WR Dexter, Mayfield, Courman, Hillary, Cline, Quick,

Batichon
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Meadors, Ike, Hennigan, Corey, Malik, Virgil

OL Isenhour, Kerry Brown, Holt, Kilgore, Acitelli, Suttle
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Hannon, Vic Johnson, Neuzil, Baer, Hodges,
Gossett, Nunn, Collins

TE Bettis, Jorden
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Pearson, Reed, Burns

DE Jason Hunter, Marques Murrell
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Demetrius DE/DT, Blair,

DT Tharrington, Omar Byrum, Jabari Fletcher
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MyQuon, Fuller

LB Pierre, Roman , DJ[
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ADG. Fehr, Boggs, Gilchrist. Law, Stringer, DeMarco

CB Cortez Gilbert, Touchstone, Gainey
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Jolly, Jean-Charles, Duck, Hayes, Gibbs

S Corey, Wiggins, LeGree
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Josh Thomas, AJ Howard
Doug Middleton

KICKER Rauch
Matics, Staton

PUNTER Neil Young, Sam Martin
Subotch

RETURN Dexter, CoCo
Virgil, Darryton

No love for Coach Cardwell?

Interesting. Without the black and gold glasses how many guys on the first list could have cracked the lineup on the second list?

I don't know how many, but I do know of one

The FCS guys were good, really good especially against the competition they played against. However, those names on the FBS side are better athletes and players and I doubt many of the FCS guys could have found much playing time on those FBS teams.

t4pizza wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:19 pm

The FCS guys were good, really good especially against the competition they played against. However, those names on the FBS side are better athletes and players and I doubt many of the FCS guys could have found much playing time on those FBS teams.

I think many of the FCS players would have started or received playing time at the FBS level.
Always felt like we were an FBS level team with a lot of FBS level talent playing in an FCS conference.

Good discussions - I must point out that several of those FCS guys who might not have started on the FBS teams played for a number of years in the NFL -

appfanjj wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:23 pm

t4pizza wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:19 pm

The FCS guys were good, really good especially against the competition they played against. However, those names on the FBS side are better athletes and players and I doubt many of the FCS guys could have found much playing time on those FBS teams.

I think many of the FCS players would have started or received playing time at the FBS level.
Always felt like we were an FBS level team with a lot of FBS level talent playing in an FCS conference.

I agree. The starters during our FCS championship years were solid and many of them would have made the rotation in our current world. The main differences then were depth (lack of) and in some cases size.

Keep in mind the amount of regional/local G5 opportunities weren't the same then compared to what they are now.

JMU, Liberty, ODU, App, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Coastal, (Schools who openly recruit some of the ones we land today) were all either FCS or didn't have a program during the middle 2000s era. Players weren't able to market their talents on a national level the way they are now so the opportunities to get noticed far from your state borders just wasn't there at the time.

Some of the lineman from the FCS era would have to gain some weight, but mentally and skill wise they could play at this level. Skill positions, no doubt in my mind they could have made it in today's era.

Yosef84 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:52 am

appfanjj wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:23 pm

t4pizza wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:19 pm

The FCS guys were good, really good especially against the competition they played against. However, those names on the FBS side are better athletes and players and I doubt many of the FCS guys could have found much playing time on those FBS teams.

I think many of the FCS players would have started or received playing time at the FBS level.
Always felt like we were an FBS level team with a lot of FBS level talent playing in an FCS conference.

I agree. The starters during our FCS championship years were solid and many of them would have made the rotation in our current world. The main differences then were depth (lack of) and in some cases size.

I seem to recall that we played something like 28 players against Michigan, including specialists.

Great discussion points. I’m sure of bunch of us vividly remember watching a few of those teams- I’m specifically thinking of the 2005-2008ish teams and even with a sense of reality felt like some of those dudes could easily compete for playing time at many FBS level schools. I’m not talking at the 15 or so big boy schools but certainly at a solid G5 (like a current App) level. We were limited by what, 20 less scholarship roster spots? We all cringed on kickoffs that landed at the 10 yard line and watched many a return go to the 40. Didn’t we routinely use starters on the kickoff teams? Seem to recall Brian Quick being used. Depth was the obvious difference and those main 25-30 guys had to include some that would still play today. Seems like Jerry preferred the 6’3” 260 lb lineman that could basically run up and down the field in our quicker paced offense. We didn’t build offensive lines for the slower paced run heavy style we use now. Like what was mentioned we still put some dudes in the pros despite the size disparities. AE comes up all the time as does the debate of whether he could have played QB now. Let’s say he added 20 lbs to his frame would he still be the same running threat. I know even in his day he took some serious licks and had his share of injuries- lawnmower not withstanding.

Here's my ALL-APP TEAM from these two lists - please feel free to add anyone I missed -
I have 12 on Offense because of so many 3WR sets - 12 on Defense because of 4DL and 4LB + K,P,KR
I used all caps because my old fingers are hurting - not yelling at anyone

QB - ARMANTI
RB - KRICH
RB - JALIN MOORE
WR - QUICK
WR - DEXTER
WR - HENNIGAN
TE - BETTIS
OL - HODGES
OL - HANNON
OL - NEUZIL
OL - GOSSETT
OL - KILGORE
PK - RAUCH
KR - DARRYTON

DL - MARQUES
DL - DEMETRIUS
DL - HUNTER
DL - BLAIR
LB - ADG
LB - PIERRE
LB - DJ
LB - DEMARCO bumps GILCHRIST
CB - SHEMAR-CHARLES
CB - JOLLY
S - COREY
S - MIDDLETON
P - SAM

THERE ARE NO WRONG ANSWERS - GIVE YOU BEST SHOT ---

Can't miss with anyone on those lists.

bigdaddyg wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:37 pm

Interesting. Without the black and gold glasses how many guys on the first list could have cracked the lineup on the second list?

I think Larry Hand and Wayne Byrd should be added somewhere.

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:21 pm

Here's my ALL-APP TEAM from these two lists - please feel free to add anyone I missed -
I have 12 on Offense because of so many 3WR sets - 12 on Defense because of 4DL and 4LB + K,P,KR
I used all caps because my old fingers are hurting - not yelling at anyone

QB - ARMANTI
RB - KRICH
RB - JALIN MOORE
WR - QUICK
WR - DEXTER
WR - HENNIGAN
TE - BETTIS
OL - HODGES
OL - HANNON
OL - NEUZIL
OL - GOSSETT
OL - KILGORE
PK - RAUCH
KR - DARRYTON

DL - MARQUES
DL - DEMETRIUS
DL - HUNTER
DL - BLAIR
LB - ADG
LB - PIERRE
LB - DJ
LB - GILCHRIST
CB - SHEMAR-CHARLES
CB - JOLLY
S - COREY
S - MIDDLETON
P - SAM

THERE ARE NO WRONG ANSWERS - GIVE YOU BEST SHOT ---

So did you pick the 5 best OL or try and go by position? Hard to leave Collins off the list, IMO.

I looked over every post in this thread so far and, correct me if I'm wrong but I've not seen Dexter Coakley's name, which is weird.

goapps wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:20 pm

I looked over every post in this thread so far and, correct me if I'm wrong but I've not seen Dexter Coakley's name, which is weird.

Dexter played a few years earlier. This is strictly a comparison between two small eras.

Yes, I just went with 5 OL

Davon Fowlkes maybe???

This list started the year after he graduated or he would have been on it ---