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Re: By the skin of our teeth...

Unread post by EastHallApp » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:55 pm

bcoach wrote:Nunn is a big loss but you can't fall apart if ONE guy goes down. Remember we now have all those extra schollies. Where are they?
One of them quit the team during camp, two others are true freshmen. Tough to play young guys on the OL. The problem isn't the recruiting since we got the "extra" scholarships, the problem is we don't have enough options from the 4th and 5th year classes. Insufficient OL recruiting in '11 and '12 is catching up with us.

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Unread post by EastHallApp » Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:08 pm

hapapp wrote: However, in the end it was a bad coaching decision that cost them the chance at a win. Brown had dialed up some clever play callls throughout the game but the fake FG backfired.
I would argue it was the right decision that backfired. Maybe they should have just gone for it straight up rather than the fake, but I would guess going for the TD was the higher-percentage play there.

The onside kick to open the second half was arguably a riskier call, but it worked so nobody second-guesses it.

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Unread post by boonetown1 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:39 pm

The onside kickoff in the second half was a thing of beauty and I was personally impressed. However, this game was almost painful to watch. That being said, it's probably good for this team. They seem to have a rather large head with their FTC (for the cash) slogan right now. Hopefully this game took them back a notch or two and will wake them up for the rest of the year.

The worst part of the game for me was the crowd; Late arriving and not very loud. The students are hit or miss, but most of the alum consistently sit on their butts. The Rock has lost some intimidation over the past year or two. Even at the GS game, while the crowd was "into it"; it wasn't as loud as in years past.

Different crowd and less passion IMO.

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Unread post by HeffnerIV » Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:14 pm

I was wondering what the FTC acronym meant.

We sit in 111. 110 must've been where they sold all the parent tix. Duds.


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Unread post by T-Dog » Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:58 pm

sixtoes9134 wrote:I find it odd that Nunn was questionable on Friday and still on the two deep as the starter and now all of a sudden he had surgery on the day he was questionable? That's, questionable.
That's a new trend among modern coaches. Vague injury reports so opposing teams won't know be able to target those body parts.

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Unread post by JTApps1 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:31 pm

I thought Troy came out with the mindset of nothing to lose while we played very basic on both sides of the ball. It's time to stop throwing deep go routes on short yardage situations as everyone is looking for it now. We have to get our quick timing routes better especially with the OL being banged up some. Taylor missed a couple of guys, but much of the night he was flushed out of the pocket. Many times we had designed rollouts which takes away half the field. The coaches were likely trying to get Lamb away from the pressure.

On defense we've never faced a team with that fast of a tempo and it showed. Im not sure if stAte will try to repeat that pace as its hard for a team to play that fast if they dont normally go that fast. The Redwolves also dont have QB with an arm as accurate as Troy.

As other have pointed out, no team has ever blown out every opponent they faced. Troy is similar to us last year, but luckily we were able to make enough plays to pull it out. I fully expect our guys to be ready for Thursday since everything they've prepared for is on the line. I just hope we are back to our aggressive play calling this week.

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Unread post by sixtoes9134 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:51 pm

Yes, their tempo really was a problem for our D. Reminded me of the Armanti days

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Unread post by NewApp » Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:55 pm

JTApps1 wrote:I thought Troy came out with the mindset of nothing to lose while we played very basic on both sides of the ball. It's time to stop throwing deep go routes on short yardage situations as everyone is looking for it now. We have to get our quick timing routes better especially with the OL being banged up some. Taylor missed a couple of guys, but much of the night he was flushed out of the pocket. Many times we had designed rollouts which takes away half the field. The coaches were likely trying to get Lamb away from the pressure.

On defense we've never faced a team with that fast of a tempo and it showed. Im not sure if stAte will try to repeat that pace as its hard for a team to play that fast if they dont normally go that fast. The Redwolves also dont have QB with an arm as accurate as Troy.

As other have pointed out, no team has ever blown out every opponent they faced. Troy is similar to us last year, but luckily we were able to make enough plays to pull it out. I fully expect our guys to be ready for Thursday since everything they've prepared for is on the line. I just hope we are back to our aggressive play calling this week.
Our guys will likely be tired Thursday after a triple OT yesterday.
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Unread post by TheMackAttack » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:59 am

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hapapp wrote: However, in the end it was a bad coaching decision that cost them the chance at a win. Brown had dialed up some clever play callls throughout the game but the fake FG backfired.
I would argue it was the right decision that backfired. Maybe they should have just gone for it straight up rather than the fake, but I would guess going for the TD was the higher-percentage play there.

The onside kick to open the second half was arguably a riskier call, but it worked so nobody second-guesses it.

Personally I would have taken the points and made us come up with something, but if you were gonna go for the TD why would you call a fake FG there? At that point the defense will concede the three points and sit on the fake just to be safe. If you wanna go for six, give your team the best chance it has.
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Unread post by ashugh » Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:25 am

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EastHallApp wrote:
hapapp wrote: However, in the end it was a bad coaching decision that cost them the chance at a win. Brown had dialed up some clever play callls throughout the game but the fake FG backfired.
I would argue it was the right decision that backfired. Maybe they should have just gone for it straight up rather than the fake, but I would guess going for the TD was the higher-percentage play there.

The onside kick to open the second half was arguably a riskier call, but it worked so nobody second-guesses it.

Personally I would have taken the points and made us come up with something, but if you were gonna go for the TD why would you call a fake FG there? At that point the defense will concede the three points and sit on the fake just to be safe. If you wanna go for six, give your team the best chance it has.

ESPECIALLY after a time out. That call saved our collective a$$es and cost them the game. Kinda like our play calling in the series with 3 minutes to go. Pitiful.
Man, I sure hope some of the creativity that Satt has been known for shows up Thursday. It was extremely predictable Saturday. Also, this was the first time this year, including Clemson, that I've seen Woody completely out coached. He usually can adjust quickly in game and we start to lock down on an offense. This look eeirly like the final years of FCS. Just no in game answer at all.

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Unread post by T-Dog » Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:51 am

I don't blame Troy for the fake. Now having their linemen yell out "regular" to each other, which they hadn't done all game, and having the holder look back at the sidelines, which he didn't do for the FG in the second overtime, were give-aways that something was up and the defense noticed it. And the play call itself was poor.

There was a guy two rows behind me who wouldn't shut up the entire game about play-calling being vanilla and predictable. It was at times, but we got to 6-1 (now 7-1) for a reason. We really haven't been that creative because we don't need to be. I thought on the drive to go up 31-24, we opened up the passing game a bit more and it worked. But still, we're a run-first team.

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Unread post by sixtoes9134 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:02 am

While Troy is vastly improved and clearly well coached, the on-sides kick changed the entire game for them and we have to be ready for anything from here on out. If we had gone up two TDs by coming out with a score to start the 3rd - which is what we usually do that 2nd half would have been really different with them having to play catch up. But instead, they essentially start the 3rd tied with us.

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Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:48 am

T-Dog wrote:I don't blame Troy for the fake. Now having their linemen yell out "regular" to each other, which they hadn't done all game, and having the holder look back at the sidelines, which he didn't do for the FG in the second overtime, were give-aways that something was up and the defense noticed it. And the play call itself was poor.

There was a guy two rows behind me who wouldn't shut up the entire game about play-calling being vanilla and predictable. It was at times, but we got to 6-1 (now 7-1) for a reason. We really haven't been that creative because we don't need to be. I thought on the drive to go up 31-24, we opened up the passing game a bit more and it worked. But still, we're a run-first team.
Agree with all of this.

I feel like I always get stuck around some know-it-all who bitches about the playcalling nonstop. If only we'd just do nothing but throw deep passes and blitz seven guys on every play, we'd win every game in a blowout.

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Unread post by stafford » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:05 am

The woman next to me griped the whole game and loudly. Offense can't get it together, defense stinks, coaches don't know what they're doing, and put in another qb. She had no clue about substitution rules and griped about Troy being allowed to go quick, while the ref stood over the ball made us wait to snap the ball.

Twenty something kid behind me was drunk and blathering all kinds of foul language and vulgar stories while not even looking at the game. I finally told him to tone it down and that I was tired of the foul language as I had my daughter with me. Must have hurt his feelings as he just stared at his phone and then left. Good riddance.

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Unread post by 3rd » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:11 am

EastHallApp wrote:
T-Dog wrote:I don't blame Troy for the fake. Now having their linemen yell out "regular" to each other, which they hadn't done all game, and having the holder look back at the sidelines, which he didn't do for the FG in the second overtime, were give-aways that something was up and the defense noticed it. And the play call itself was poor.

There was a guy two rows behind me who wouldn't shut up the entire game about play-calling being vanilla and predictable. It was at times, but we got to 6-1 (now 7-1) for a reason. We really haven't been that creative because we don't need to be. I thought on the drive to go up 31-24, we opened up the passing game a bit more and it worked. But still, we're a run-first team.
Agree with all of this.

I feel like I always get stuck around some know-it-all who bitches about the playcalling nonstop. If only we'd just do nothing but throw deep passes and blitz seven guys on every play, we'd win every game in a blowout.
If you don't believe the play calling is a problem then I don't know what game yall were watching. Everyone here agrees we are a running team. Most everyone agrees if we are running 5-8 yards a play keep running it. But as far as passing game many plays last game we had 3 WR run a post 35 yards down the field when Taylor has been running for his life. If we arnt running the ball we are trying to throw it 50 yards down the field. I have yet to see us throw consistently less than 10 yard routs because we don't run them.

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Unread post by bcoach » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:15 am

boonetown1 wrote:The onside kickoff in the second half was a thing of beauty and I was personally impressed. However, this game was almost painful to watch. That being said, it's probably good for this team. They seem to have a rather large head with their FTC (for the cash) slogan right now. Hopefully this game took them back a notch or two and will wake them up for the rest of the year.

The worst part of the game for me was the crowd; Late arriving and not very loud. The students are hit or miss, but most of the alum consistently sit on their butts. The Rock has lost some intimidation over the past year or two. Even at the GS game, while the crowd was "into it"; it wasn't as loud as in years past.

Different crowd and less passion IMO.
You know I am just plain tired of hearing this alum crap. I don't know where the hell you sit but where we are in 203 we are plenty loud. I think your professional grade sound meter is broken.

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Unread post by BUTCH1991 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:16 am

3rd wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
T-Dog wrote:I don't blame Troy for the fake. Now having their linemen yell out "regular" to each other, which they hadn't done all game, and having the holder look back at the sidelines, which he didn't do for the FG in the second overtime, were give-aways that something was up and the defense noticed it. And the play call itself was poor.

There was a guy two rows behind me who wouldn't shut up the entire game about play-calling being vanilla and predictable. It was at times, but we got to 6-1 (now 7-1) for a reason. We really haven't been that creative because we don't need to be. I thought on the drive to go up 31-24, we opened up the passing game a bit more and it worked. But still, we're a run-first team.
Agree with all of this.

I feel like I always get stuck around some know-it-all who bitches about the playcalling nonstop. If only we'd just do nothing but throw deep passes and blitz seven guys on every play, we'd win every game in a blowout.
If you don't believe the play calling is a problem then I don't know what game yall were watching. Everyone here agrees we are a running team. Most everyone agrees if we are running 5-8 yards a play keep running it. But as far as passing game many plays last game we had 3 WR run a post 35 yards down the field when Taylor has been running for his life. If we arnt running the ball we are trying to throw it 50 yards down the field. I have yet to see us throw consistently less than 10 yard routs because we don't run them.
I think they're probably experiencing what I am. I can understand questioning play calling some times, but there's a guy near me that the 1st time a play doesn't work, he starts screaming about the play call. It's the constant questioning of a play call on any play that doesn't work that grates on my nerves. I thought the play calling near the end of the game in particular was questionable, but I can't question nearly every play like some in the stands do.

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Unread post by bcoach » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:23 am

EastHallApp wrote:
bcoach wrote:Nunn is a big loss but you can't fall apart if ONE guy goes down. Remember we now have all those extra schollies. Where are they?
One of them quit the team during camp, two others are true freshmen. Tough to play young guys on the OL. The problem isn't the recruiting since we got the "extra" scholarships, the problem is we don't have enough options from the 4th and 5th year classes. Insufficient OL recruiting in '11 and '12 is catching up with us.
I understand that but there is no reason you fall apart when one guy goes down. How about a JUCO till you get the guys in?

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Re: By the skin of our teeth...

Unread post by 3rd » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:25 am

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3rd wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
T-Dog wrote:I don't blame Troy for the fake. Now having their linemen yell out "regular" to each other, which they hadn't done all game, and having the holder look back at the sidelines, which he didn't do for the FG in the second overtime, were give-aways that something was up and the defense noticed it. And the play call itself was poor.

There was a guy two rows behind me who wouldn't shut up the entire game about play-calling being vanilla and predictable. It was at times, but we got to 6-1 (now 7-1) for a reason. We really haven't been that creative because we don't need to be. I thought on the drive to go up 31-24, we opened up the passing game a bit more and it worked. But still, we're a run-first team.
Agree with all of this.

I feel like I always get stuck around some know-it-all who bitches about the playcalling nonstop. If only we'd just do nothing but throw deep passes and blitz seven guys on every play, we'd win every game in a blowout.
If you don't believe the play calling is a problem then I don't know what game yall were watching. Everyone here agrees we are a running team. Most everyone agrees if we are running 5-8 yards a play keep running it. But as far as passing game many plays last game we had 3 WR run a post 35 yards down the field when Taylor has been running for his life. If we arnt running the ball we are trying to throw it 50 yards down the field. I have yet to see us throw consistently less than 10 yard routs because we don't run them.
I think they're probably experiencing what I am. I can understand questioning play calling some times, but there's a guy near me that the 1st time a play doesn't work, he starts screaming about the play call. It's the constant questioning of a play call on any play that doesn't work that grates on my nerves. I thought the play calling near the end of the game in particular was questionable, but I can't question nearly every play like some in the stands do.
Oh I agree and I feel most agree with that. We have to run the outside stretch it is our bread and butter, but many times when we fake it and Taylor rolls out on a bootleg and man the two WR on that side are 40 yards down field, that is a hard throw to make for any QB on the run across his body down the field. I also herd many questioning Taylor in the stands, but NO QB can get in a rhythm when the only passes he is attempting are 25+. Now if that is on him or the play calling I don't know. But watch our WRs on passing plays...they go deep.

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Re: By the skin of our teeth...

Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:29 am

3rd wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
T-Dog wrote:I don't blame Troy for the fake. Now having their linemen yell out "regular" to each other, which they hadn't done all game, and having the holder look back at the sidelines, which he didn't do for the FG in the second overtime, were give-aways that something was up and the defense noticed it. And the play call itself was poor.

There was a guy two rows behind me who wouldn't shut up the entire game about play-calling being vanilla and predictable. It was at times, but we got to 6-1 (now 7-1) for a reason. We really haven't been that creative because we don't need to be. I thought on the drive to go up 31-24, we opened up the passing game a bit more and it worked. But still, we're a run-first team.
Agree with all of this.

I feel like I always get stuck around some know-it-all who bitches about the playcalling nonstop. If only we'd just do nothing but throw deep passes and blitz seven guys on every play, we'd win every game in a blowout.
If you don't believe the play calling is a problem then I don't know what game yall were watching. Everyone here agrees we are a running team. Most everyone agrees if we are running 5-8 yards a play keep running it. But as far as passing game many plays last game we had 3 WR run a post 35 yards down the field when Taylor has been running for his life. If we arnt running the ball we are trying to throw it 50 yards down the field. I have yet to see us throw consistently less than 10 yard routs because we don't run them.
Not saying playcalling was flawless by any means. I have plays I second-guess like everyone else. Some people just get a little silly about it during games with the frequency and volume of their complaints.

Mainly I just don't think people are really mad about playcalling, they're mad about the result when it goes poorly. And I think about 0% of the fans who are complaining could get better results than the coaches if they were the ones calling the plays.

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