First Half

[App91]

I like the new strength coach BTW. Anybody in their right mind knew that the move to FBS was not going to be easy and I don't care if gnatsville is looking like gang busters. JUCOS prove nothing for the long term. Satt and staff will do this the RIGHT way. Nut up or stay at home! Go Apps!

Well they do, that you can bring a few in and win right away all the while building your own program. I am sure they are building with their scollys while the Jucos play. It is certainly an effective way to build. Don't kid yourself.

[WataugaMan]

I had hoped we would take a step forward tonight.

Sadly, every facet of the game is worse than it was week 1.

We are not very well coached. I realize Sat is only in his second year, however, today's performance is totally unacceptable and falls APPsolutely on his shoulders, although he will not admit it! Satterfield is not getting the job done and being a rookie coach is no longer an excuse!! Losing is one thing and I can accept that, as long as we are giving our all. However, we continually show up unprepared and stumble all over ourselves, week after week. We will be lucky to win next week, agreed we are terrible!!

Hindsight is always 20/20. We'll see what happens with Satterfield, I'm not convinced either way on how he will end up as a HC. However, some of the best coaches started out slowly too. A resurrected Lombardi probably couldn't have coached App to victory on Saturday. USA has a better overall team.

Yeah, you're probably correct, too many unanswered questions right now. However, what gets under my skin (as many have pointed out already) is our lack of competitiveness (motivation/heart). Generally speaking, it's like we show up and by the middle of the first quarter or half time we are done. I'm not saying we don't have any "go getters" on this team. However, overall they often appear unmotivated. Like I've said before there is something amiss. By the way, Campbell aside, have we led at any point in any game this year?

[WVAPPeer]

I like the new strength coach BTW. Anybody in their right mind knew that the move to FBS was not going to be easy and I don't care if gnatsville is looking like gang busters. JUCOS prove nothing for the long term. Satt and staff will do this the RIGHT way. Nut up or stay at home! Go Apps!

Well they do, that you can bring a few in and win right away all the while building your own program. I am sure they are building with their scollys while the Jucos play. It is certainly an effective way to build. Don't kid yourself.

It can work 91 - but a lot of transfers usually means either a pressing need to win now (or soon) or poor recruiting ofhigh school players AND the 34 that USA brought in is a huge number ---

[App91]

I like the new strength coach BTW. Anybody in their right mind knew that the move to FBS was not going to be easy and I don't care if gnatsville is looking like gang busters. JUCOS prove nothing for the long term. Satt and staff will do this the RIGHT way. Nut up or stay at home! Go Apps!

Well they do, that you can bring a few in and win right away all the while building your own program. I am sure they are building with their scollys while the Jucos play. It is certainly an effective way to build. Don't kid yourself.

It can work 91 - but a lot of transfers usually means either a pressing need to win now (or soon) or poor recruiting ofhigh school players AND the 34 that USA brought in is a huge number ---

You are right, I tend to think of things in financial-bottom line- terms. What is see is the gnats who have a smaller fan base by attendance standards building up momentum with their version of building, while we are heading for the worst attendance in 9+years. We simply cannot afford that with the move up. We may have been better off, money-wise, to rise up this year and next getting more fans in the stands. Right now its not good at all.

[Rekdiver]

Can anyone tell me the last time we ran a reverse? And as far as tacoi sumler let him return kickoffs. Bethard and McElfresh don't cut it and Lewis is even better. Put these burners in the game and use the speed cause off tackle aint cuting it with undersized linemen. Put Cox and Upshaw in the backfield together all the time so the other team has to honor a fake.. No passes over the middle until the game was done...... Jones can catch them. The vanilla play calling is becoming as predictable as John Fox's and we dont need Lamb to run as much as hs did. I can handle rebuilding but I cant handle lack of creativity.

[ASUMountaineer]

I had hoped we would take a step forward tonight.

Sadly, every facet of the game is worse than it was week 1.

We are not very well coached. I realize Sat is only in his second year, however, today's performance is totally unacceptable and falls APPsolutely on his shoulders, although he will not admit it! Satterfield is not getting the job done and being a rookie coach is no longer an excuse!! Losing is one thing and I can accept that, as long as we are giving our all. However, we continually show up unprepared and stumble all over ourselves, week after week. We will be lucky to win next week, agreed we are terrible!!

Hindsight is always 20/20. We'll see what happens with Satterfield, I'm not convinced either way on how he will end up as a HC. However, some of the best coaches started out slowly too. A resurrected Lombardi probably couldn't have coached App to victory on Saturday. USA has a better overall team.

Yeah, you're probably correct, too many unanswered questions right now. However, what gets under my skin (as many have pointed out already) is our lack of competitiveness (motivation/heart). Generally speaking, it's like we show up and by the middle of the first quarter or half time we are done. I'm not saying we don't have any "go getters" on this team. However, overall they often appear unmotivated. Like I've said before there is something amiss. By the way, Campbell aside, have we led at any point in any game this year?

Now this post I can agree with. I think something is amiss, and I have no idea what it is. I understand that we have major deficiencies, but we should still be somewhat competitive.

[WVAPPeer]

ASUMountaineer wrote:
"Now this post I can agree with. I think something is amiss, and I have no idea what it is. I understand that we have major deficiencies, but we should still be somewhat competitive."

My young VP you must define competitive - everyone knows we totally outplayed So Miss - we were inside the red zone 3 times at GaSo with no points (that's a possible 21 pts) - Now I didn't think we were very competitive against USA but overall we have been competitive in my definition of the word - Final scores don't necessarily equate to competitiveness ---

[AppSt94]

Can anyone tell me the last time we ran a reverse? And as far as tacoi sumler let him return kickoffs. Bethard and McElfresh don't cut it and Lewis is even better. Put these burners in the game and use the speed cause off tackle aint cuting it with undersized linemen. Put Cox and Upshaw in the backfield together all the time so the other team has to honor a fake.. No passes over the middle until the game was done...... Jones can catch them. The vanilla play calling is becoming as predictable as John Fox's and we dont need Lamb to run as much as hs did. I can handle rebuilding but I cant handle lack of creativity.

I don't disagree with you. As a fan of the game of football you just want to be entertained. I know that it is easy to say the play calling is basic and vanilla because of the product on the field, but allow me to pose an alternative reason for the vanilla play calling. The coaches could be holding back on some of the play calling so not to provide game film on the entire playbook. This season is like an NFL preseason. Everything is designed to nail down the basics (which we haven't totally done) and not expose the whole playbook to game film. I'm not saying this is the case but if it was then I would understand.

[ASUMountaineer]

ASUMountaineer wrote:
"Now this post I can agree with. I think something is amiss, and I have no idea what it is. I understand that we have major deficiencies, but we should still be somewhat competitive."

My young VP you must define competitive - everyone knows we totally outplayed So Miss - we were inside the red zone 3 times at GaSo with no points (that's a possible 21 pts) - Now I didn't think we were very competitive against USA but overall we have been competitive in my definition of the word - Final scores don't necessarily equate to competitiveness ---

Sometimes it requires you to score to be competitive. Yes, we outplayed USM but yet we couldn't win. Against GSU we had chances, but couldn't convert. Against USA...that was tough to watch, especially in the cold. I get what you're saying, but you're also hanging onto one word and not the meat of the post. Something does seem amiss to me. Three trips into the red zone at GSU and no points--can't even score 33% of the time. Similar issues at USM, including at the 1-yard line.

[JTApps1]

I had hoped we would take a step forward tonight.

Sadly, every facet of the game is worse than it was week 1.

We are not very well coached. I realize Sat is only in his second year, however, today's performance is totally unacceptable and falls APPsolutely on his shoulders, although he will not admit it! Satterfield is not getting the job done and being a rookie coach is no longer an excuse!! Losing is one thing and I can accept that, as long as we are giving our all. However, we continually show up unprepared and stumble all over ourselves, week after week. We will be lucky to win next week, agreed we are terrible!!

Hindsight is always 20/20. We'll see what happens with Satterfield, I'm not convinced either way on how he will end up as a HC. However, some of the best coaches started out slowly too. A resurrected Lombardi probably couldn't have coached App to victory on Saturday. USA has a better overall team.

Yeah, you're probably correct, too many unanswered questions right now. However, what gets under my skin (as many have pointed out already) is our lack of competitiveness (motivation/heart). Generally speaking, it's like we show up and by the middle of the first quarter or half time we are done. I'm not saying we don't have any "go getters" on this team. However, overall they often appear unmotivated. Like I've said before there is something amiss. By the way, Campbell aside, have we led at any point in any game this year?

I wonder if we still have upper classmen that haven't 'bought in" to Satterfield? Getting players from the previous coach to buy in is one of the hardest things for a new coach to do. I'm not trying to make this a Moore vs Satterfield debate as this is a common problem for most new coaches.

[huskie3]

Calling offensive plays is a chess match - you are always trying to set up something else. The dive up the middle that everyone hates is what allowed Lamb to keep the ball for those great runs everyone loved. Sometimes you want to see how the D reacts so you know what to call next - that is not vanilla.

Speaking in food terms, I think Brownie is over baked and hardened. I do not like his 20/20 vision after the fact. He was spot on about the O line mess.

[AppSt94]

I wonder if we still have upper classmen that haven't 'bought in" to Satterfield? Getting players from the previous coach to buy in is one of the hardest things for a new coach to do. I'm not trying to make this a Moore vs Satterfield debate as this is a common problem for most new coaches.

I don't think that it is unreasonable suggestion. We have thrown out an assortment of ideas on the problem without any of us knowing exactly what is going on behind the scenes. Given the lack of leadership from the upperclassmen, I think that it is totally plausible.

[WVAPPeer]

JTApps1 wrote:
"I wonder if we still have upper classmen that haven't 'bought in" to Satterfield? Getting players from the previous coach to buy in is one of the hardest things for a new coach to do. I'm not trying to make this a Moore vs Satterfield debate as this is a common problem for most new coaches."

Well personally I think it awfully hard for upperclassmen who have started for multiple years to then take a back seat to an underclassmen - that doesn't mean they don't give their all and want only the best for the team - but these are young men who certainly are not overjoyed by being replaced in the starting lineup - However, I know nothing of any upperclassmen who haven't bought in and/or are not giving all they have ---

[App91]

ASUMountaineer wrote:
"Now this post I can agree with. I think something is amiss, and I have no idea what it is. I understand that we have major deficiencies, but we should still be somewhat competitive."

My young VP you must define competitive - everyone knows we totally outplayed So Miss - we were inside the red zone 3 times at GaSo with no points (that's a possible 21 pts) - Now I didn't think we were very competitive against USA but overall we have been competitive in my definition of the word - Final scores don't necessarily equate to competitiveness ---

WV, you gotta take off those glasses man, they are ruining your vision!

[Black Saturday]

ASUMountaineer wrote:
"Now this post I can agree with. I think something is amiss, and I have no idea what it is. I understand that we have major deficiencies, but we should still be somewhat competitive."

My young VP you must define competitive - everyone knows we totally outplayed So Miss - we were inside the red zone 3 times at GaSo with no points (that's a possible 21 pts) - Now I didn't think we were very competitive against USA but overall we have been competitive in my definition of the word - Final scores don't necessarily equate to competitiveness ---

WV, you gotta take off those glasses man, they are ruining your vision!

Awe you didn't know?.... WV has had Black & Gold lasik surgery