I feel..... ?

[MAD Doctor]

Not hyperbole- the next hours/days will reveal where we are as a program, and more importantly, where we are going.
Counting on you Doug, et al.

[AppDub]

How soon until we start seeing the outgoing portal announcements on X?

[AppDub]

“Adversity does not build character, it reveals it”

Character is the one thing we haven’t had to worry about with this staff. Unfortunately the list of items we have had too is much longer.

There was that helmet swinging situation...

[BeauFoster]

This hasn't been asked or mentioned but how do the players feel about the current coaches & decisions?

I can't imagine they were/are pleased with how the 2nd quarter ended which directly lead to how the end of the game played out.

I think the players were still playing hard through the final whistle, if that’s what you’re getting at. I don’t think he’s lost the entire locker room (but probably has lost some). But if the question is “do you want Clark as your HC next season?”, then that question shouldn’t be asked. It was asked 5 years ago, and here we are because of it (at least partially). Let’s not go down that road again.

[AppinVA]

How soon until we start seeing the outgoing portal announcements on X?

With that said…

[Saint3333]

“Adversity does not build character, it reveals it”

Character is the one thing we haven’t had to worry about with this staff. Unfortunately the list of items we have had too is much longer.

There was that helmet swinging situation...

We did end the season on that silly personal foul last night too. Discipline was lacking from the team.

[RaleighApp27609]

....Emotional and undisciplined.

The SBC was weak this year and we went 3-5 against our peers.

This. The whole swinging the helmet incident in preseason practice was a symtom that the team isn't focused or disciplined.

[RaleighApp27609]

“Adversity does not build character, it reveals it”

And insanity is keeping the same coach year after year and expecting different results.

[spacemonkey]

He deserved this year with the mess college football has evolved to, but he does not deserve another year. We have to make changes. This is a new game. Coaches are going to matter as much as players. This group simply does not have it on the x's and O's side.

[kornegaylw]

This hasn't been asked or mentioned but how do the players feel about the current coaches & decisions?

I can't imagine they were/are pleased with how the 2nd quarter ended which directly lead to how the end of the game played out.

I think the players were still playing hard through the final whistle, if that’s what you’re getting at. I don’t think he’s lost the entire locker room (but probably has lost some). But if the question is “do you want Clark as your HC next season?”, then that question shouldn’t be asked. It was asked 5 years ago, and here we are because of it (at least partially). Let’s not go down that road again.

I have no doubt the players played hard to the end of that they were committed to the season/team...I guess my question is how does Clark speak to the locker after his poor decisions lead them to the result last night and how do you quell the seditious waves that undoubtedly were present.

[AppSt94]

“Adversity does not build character, it reveals it”

And insanity is keeping the same coach year after year and expecting different results.

9 wins, 10 wins. 9 wins, 6 wins, 9 wins, 5 wins. You were saying? Look. You don’t have to be happy with the product. You can have an opinion on the trajectory. But when you let the negatives consume your rationale then you are no longer rational.

[Saint3333]

“Adversity does not build character, it reveals it”

And insanity is keeping the same coach year after year and expecting different results.

9 wins, 10 wins. 9 wins, 6 wins, 9 wins, 5 wins. You were saying? Look. You don’t have to be happy with the product. You can have an opinion on the trajectory. But when you let the negatives consume your rationale then you are no longer rational.

You’re showing six seasons and 9 more wins than reality…

Could I see this on a line graph, would help with the trend.

[appgrad95&97]

“Adversity does not build character, it reveals it”

And insanity is keeping the same coach year after year and expecting different results.

9 wins, 10 wins. 9 wins, 6 wins, 9 wins, 5 wins. You were saying? Look. You don’t have to be happy with the product. You can have an opinion on the trajectory. But when you let the negatives consume your rationale then you are no longer rational.

Is it rational to look at five years with a conference championship as normal? Is it rational to think missing bowl games 2 of the last 3 years is normal? One bowl win in four seasons and remember N. Texas went into the Myrtle Beach Blow with a loosing record (so one bowl win against an actual bowl eligible team). A full 15% of his wins have come against poor FCS teams. It is rational to look at his record and think he isn't the guy.

[ncman071]

At the bare minimum...replace coordinators

[RaleighApp27609]

“Adversity does not build character, it reveals it”

And insanity is keeping the same coach year after year and expecting different results.

9 wins, 10 wins. 9 wins, 6 wins, 9 wins, 5 wins. You were saying? Look. You don’t have to be happy with the product. You can have an opinion on the trajectory. But when you let the negatives consume your rationale then you are no longer rational.

You forgot 0-2 in conference championships with one of those we only got into on a technicality. You're also neglecting to mention the fact that for at least the first two and maybe even three years, Clark was working with a prior coach's recruits. Most of the players on last year's team and this year's teams are Clark's recruits. And now look at the record that we had last year and this year. There's nothing wrong with being an eternal optimist but don't let that keep you from looking at the current situation objectively. Clark seems like a great guy on a personal level and a solid positional coach. He is not cut out to be a head coach at the FBS level.

[RaleighApp27609]

“Adversity does not build character, it reveals it”

And insanity is keeping the same coach year after year and expecting different results.

9 wins, 10 wins. 9 wins, 6 wins, 9 wins, 5 wins. You were saying? Look. You don’t have to be happy with the product. You can have an opinion on the trajectory. But when you let the negatives consume your rationale then you are no longer rational.

You're also including an extra season and nine wins for Clark that shouldn't be there.

[RaleighApp27609]

“Adversity does not build character, it reveals it”

And insanity is keeping the same coach year after year and expecting different results.

9 wins, 10 wins. 9 wins, 6 wins, 9 wins, 5 wins. You were saying? Look. You don’t have to be happy with the product. You can have an opinion on the trajectory. But when you let the negatives consume your rationale then you are no longer rational.

Is it rational to look at five years with a conference championship as normal? Is it rational to think missing bowl games 2 of the last 3 years is normal? One bowl win in four seasons and remember N. Texas went into the Myrtle Beach Blow with a loosing record (so one bowl win against an actual bowl eligible team). A full 15% of his wins have come against poor FCS teams. It is rational to look at his record and think he isn't the guy.

This. A lot of the analysis on Clark's win totals are superficial. If you take out FCS wins, his record looks abysmal. In 2022 we were 6-6 but take out the two FCS wins and we were actually 4-6.

[AppSt94]

“Adversity does not build character, it reveals it”

And insanity is keeping the same coach year after year and expecting different results.

9 wins, 10 wins. 9 wins, 6 wins, 9 wins, 5 wins. You were saying? Look. You don’t have to be happy with the product. You can have an opinion on the trajectory. But when you let the negatives consume your rationale then you are no longer rational.

You're also including an extra season and nine wins for Clark that shouldn't be there.

Explain please.

[appgrad95&97]

“Adversity does not build character, it reveals it”

And insanity is keeping the same coach year after year and expecting different results.

9 wins, 10 wins. 9 wins, 6 wins, 9 wins, 5 wins. You were saying? Look. You don’t have to be happy with the product. You can have an opinion on the trajectory. But when you let the negatives consume your rationale then you are no longer rational.

You're also including an extra season and nine wins for Clark that shouldn't be there.

Explain please.

2020 9-3
2021 10-4
2022 6-6
2023 9-5
2024 5-6

[AppSt94]

“Adversity does not build character, it reveals it”

And insanity is keeping the same coach year after year and expecting different results.

9 wins, 10 wins. 9 wins, 6 wins, 9 wins, 5 wins. You were saying? Look. You don’t have to be happy with the product. You can have an opinion on the trajectory. But when you let the negatives consume your rationale then you are no longer rational.

You forgot 0-2 in conference championships with one of those we only got into on a technicality. You're also neglecting to mention the fact that for at least the first two and maybe even three years, Clark was working with a prior coach's recruits. Most of the players on last year's team and this year's teams are Clark's recruits. And now look at the record that we had last year and this year. There's nothing wrong with being an eternal optimist but don't let that keep you from looking at the current situation objectively. Clark seems like a great guy on a personal level and a solid positional coach. He is not cut out to be a head coach at the FBS level.

Whether you want to believe it or not, I do look at the situation objectively. Just because I don’t agree with other’s conclusions doesn’t mean that it lacks objectivity and contrary to popular belief, I don’t have anymore access to Clark than others that visit Boone of Yosef Club tour stops. I work in audit and risk and understand all problems are caused by factors that aren’t always apparent on the surface. I’ve been back in NC since 2020 and I have invested a great deal of time and passion in this program since returning so I’ve seen what is happening leading up to it. I’m not happy with a 5-6 season but I don’t see the need to blow it up.

I’ve explained my reasoning for retaining him. That’s all I can do. If you and anyone else don’t want to agree that’s fine. If he is let go, then he is let go and I will be all in on the next guy and staff. If he is retained then I will remain all in. I am for App and that means that I support the coaches and players until they aren’t. I’m not going to spend my time tearing down anyone that is representing our university.