Let's talk about Clark

[appgrad95&97]

I’m just curious about folks that say “FCS wins don’t count” when you’re 6-6… So if our team went 12-0 and had 2 FCS wins, would you post that we really only had 10 wins?

Let's cross that bridge...

[yosef69]

I’m just curious about folks that say “FCS wins don’t count” when you’re 6-6… So if our team went 12-0 and had 2 FCS wins, would you post that we really only had 10 wins?

I mean, the NCAA seemingly doesn’t count them as a full win as you only get one to count towards bowl eligibility. there’s a reason most programs only schedule one per year (I know ours was due to extenuating circumstances)

[Saint3333]

I’m just curious about folks that say “FCS wins don’t count” when you’re 6-6… So if our team went 12-0 and had 2 FCS wins, would you post that we really only had 10 wins?

A second FCS win in a season doesn't count. You don't have to agree with it, but they don't.

[WataugaMan]

Only 1 FCS win counts per season. If there wasn't a limit, some teams would schedule only FCS games for non-conference play and look really great statistically.

[Yosefus]

I guess we will see how the rest of the season plays out. Hopefully the team doesn't come up as short as last year. I see tons of talent with tons of inexperienced guys playing. There is potential there, if we continue with turnovers QB Agullar for example are due to inexperience and trying to get something to happen that's not there. That is going to happen again I am sure. Better will come with team experience and coaching him/them up. On the coach part my concern is team preparation for gametime play. Offensive plan for Wyoming didn't work. Defense plan for Monroe didn't work. We didn't appear prepared for what we got in either game, turnovers aside in both games. I pull my fire Clark card for now and see how it plays out rest of season. 10-2 still in front of us but so is 3-9. My gut tells me 6-6 or 7-5 will be where we fall out. Any better than that will be looking for near perfection next year with this year's experience.

[appstatealum]

That vaunted Gardner Webb team we liked to herald as an FCS Powerhouse is 1-3

[appgrad95&97]

Are any of y'all old enough to remember the NY6 chatter on here a few years ago? Montgomery or Myrtle Beach seems sexy now.

[Rekdiver]

That vaunted Gardner Webb team we liked to herald as an FCS Powerhouse is 1-3

Who is coaching GW again?

[appstatealum]

Are any of y'all old enough to remember the NY6 chatter on here a few years ago? Montgomery or Myrtle Beach seems sexy now.

Sigh

[311neers]

That vaunted Gardner Webb team we liked to herald as an FCS Powerhouse is 1-3

Haha, the “we” isn’t allowed on the board or sidelines anymore. No one else really thought anything of GW.

[yosef69]

That vaunted Gardner Webb team we liked to herald as an FCS Powerhouse is 1-3

Haha, the “we” isn’t allowed on the board or sidelines anymore. No one else really thought anything of GW.

So when I suggested that guy was buddies with the coaching staff and he wasn’t being objective, I was right? And now he got cut off because he had to flex his “access?”

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

He was anti-Eric Church, so he was alright with me.

[appstatealum]

That vaunted Gardner Webb team we liked to herald as an FCS Powerhouse is 1-3

Haha, the “we” isn’t allowed on the board or sidelines anymore. No one else really thought anything of GW.

What was all of that. Bizarre few days there

[yosef69]

That vaunted Gardner Webb team we liked to herald as an FCS Powerhouse is 1-3

Haha, the “we” isn’t allowed on the board or sidelines anymore. No one else really thought anything of GW.

What was all of that. Bizarre few days there

Bro claimed he was receiving death threats over his posts on a football message board. He was spiraling when he realized his source was going to cut him off and decided that was his way out.

Bizarre is an understatement

[WVAPPeer]

This team has no identity under Clark. That has and will be the underlying issue. Can it be corrected? Yes. But after a few years of the Jekyll/Hyde, I've lost hope that he can develop it at this point. It's unfortunate. I don't understand the sentiment of those who are defending Clark. He's an App State guy all the way through, and I love and support the guy for it. But the program has regressed when we should be progressing. He's had great opportunities to advance the program and hasn't taken hold of those. We go into each game, each season with a "who the hell knows what will happen" feeling and that's not good. Could it be worse? Yes. Could it be better? Yes. But if you believe we are in good hands with this staff, after what we have seen for a few years, then I guess nothing you see or hear can convince you any different.

Completely disagree on the identity of this team. To put it simple, the identity is a team that plays hard, for 4 quarters and NEVER quits until the clock says 0:00. If you don't see that from our team then I don't know what you have been watching. We don't quit. And that is and identity whether you recognize it or not. Sure this team makes mistakes, turnovers have killed us, but we don't ever quit. Also this team is much more disciplined than past teams. We still get penalties but not nearly as many big ones in bad situations (like a personal foul on our 3 and long where we convert but the penalties takes away the first down and makes it third and a mile). We have an identity, we play hard and don't quit.

That's why we are in a win one and lose one pattern. That's not an identity, that's part of a culture. Thank God App has retained that part of our culture amidst the shaky foundation last 6 years or so. Football identity is what you take into each games scheme-wise in all 3 phases of the game. It's the foundation upon which you gameplan and its what keeps you grounded when a game is thrown into chaos. It's the totem you try to manipulate the game back to when needed. We haven't had that under Clark. Just facts. Again I hope he turns it around. I was starting to be optimistic until Wyoming happened.

We will just have to agree to disagree as to whether or not a team playing hard and never quitting is an an identity or not. I clearly think it is, you clearly don't. I would say that hard nose never quit play is taken into each game scheme-wise in all 3 phases of the game. Please show me a player in any of those 3 phases that doesn't constantly play hard, play through the whistle and keep playing hard until the game is over. Of course it is an identity of this team.

To be blunt - anyone who thinks Playing Hard and Never Quitting is not an identity is just wrong - When I was a coach we had a mantra before each game - "Play hard and give it all you've got" - If the team did that then that was all I could ask--- were mistakes made by coach and players? - Absolutely!!! - Did we win every game? Hell NO, Did we take the field Hoping to Win - No, We took the field Expecting to Win --- It's a mindset that doesn't happen overnight.
I will take the team who plays hard and never quits over any "identity" you want to come up with!!!!!!
Ask AppGrad78 -

[Cro-Magnon App]

Clock management has been good.

[AppStFan1]

That vaunted Gardner Webb team we liked to herald as an FCS Powerhouse is 1-3

We definitely should not have struggled with them but they have a win over Elon who just beat W&M and 2 of their losses are to FBS teams they just were not going to beat.

[teller]

Glad we didn’t give up on Coach Moore when he went 4-7 year 5, go Apps, trust the process. Let’s see what happens next year, I see big things

You already throw in the towel for this season? Not even halfway through……

No, I’m very hopeful still, hoping to make a run at home, but all these dudes calling for heads when next year could be truly special is irritating.

Gotcha. And yeah, I can only agree about future potential. Kind of/sort of like this is another 2018, then next is another 2019 type season.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I can't believe anyone is actually bringing up GW. Yep they are 1-3. Weren't they expected to lose to us and yes, ECU? Were they expected to simply not compete in our game? We won handily.

[YesAppCan]

I’m just curious about folks that say “FCS wins don’t count” when you’re 6-6… So if our team went 12-0 and had 2 FCS wins, would you post that we really only had 10 wins?

A second FCS win in a season doesn't count. You don't have to agree with it, but they don't.

I know they don't count towards bowl eligibility. I am merely pointing out from a conversation standpoint. Just asking, hypothetically, that if we had an undefeated season, would people not say "We went 12-0, 13-0, 14-0"?