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[ericsaid]

If that's what he's interested in wouldn't you think he'd want to stay in Boca? Ultimately, any school in the southeast is going to have some measure of coeds in sun dresses.

#FreshMeat

In all seriousness, I think Lane will be too anxious to return to the brightest spotlight to turn down an SEC job, even if it is one where the chips are stacked against him.

If Lane can turn FAU into a respectable program, I'd imagine he could at least get Arkansas to 8 and 9 wins. Then it's off to Georgia when they realize Smart is Mark Richt incarnate.

[ericsaid]

Matt Luke out at ole miss. I'm feeling a little nervous, cant lie.

Surprising. I thought that they had some respectable showings later in the year and that with some improvement on the defensive side they could possibly make a run on third place in the West.

Have a feeling Ole Miss and Arkansas will be chasing the LSU offensive style of play. They have no hope for the foreseeable future, however, as the CFP has simply cemented recruiting for top guys going between 6 schools.

Having that player get flagged for “pissing away” the Egg Bowl probably is what did him in.

Possibly. If he'd go to an ACC school, I'd be all over him. Their running game is one of the missed stories of the year.

[booneboy92]

Atta boyz!!! Keep up the talk about other schools/pros/coaches!!! And..., for the love of God, DON’T start stalking airplanes again!!! Please!!!

[AppinVA]

Matt Luke out at ole miss. I'm feeling a little nervous, cant lie.

Surprising. I thought that they had some respectable showings later in the year and that with some improvement on the defensive side they could possibly make a run on third place in the West.

Have a feeling Ole Miss and Arkansas will be chasing the LSU offensive style of play. They have no hope for the foreseeable future, however, as the CFP has simply cemented recruiting for top guys going between 6 schools.

Having that player get flagged for “pissing away” the Egg Bowl probably is what did him in.

I would think having 600 yards of total offense against LSU would negate that. A player doing something dumb like that shouldn't factor into a long term decision.

My guess is that Ole Miss knows who they want and already has them on the hook.

I’m just saying it was the straw that broke the camel’s back. If the receiver doesn’t do that and Ole Miss wins in overtime, he likely gets another year just for keeping Miss State out of a bowl.

[ericsaid]

Matt Luke out at ole miss. I'm feeling a little nervous, cant lie.

Surprising. I thought that they had some respectable showings later in the year and that with some improvement on the defensive side they could possibly make a run on third place in the West.

Have a feeling Ole Miss and Arkansas will be chasing the LSU offensive style of play. They have no hope for the foreseeable future, however, as the CFP has simply cemented recruiting for top guys going between 6 schools.

Having that player get flagged for “pissing away” the Egg Bowl probably is what did him in.

I would think having 600 yards of total offense against LSU would negate that. A player doing something dumb like that shouldn't factor into a long term decision.

My guess is that Ole Miss knows who they want and already has them on the hook.

I’m just saying it was the straw that broke the camel’s back. If the receiver doesn’t do that and Ole Miss wins in overtime, he likely gets another year just for keeping Miss State out of a bowl.

Perhaps. There is no way to know. I would think the decision was made prior to this game and that Ole Miss already had someone lined up. We will see who that is. My guess is Mike Norvell.

[diehardapp18]

I know Drink feels he can win anywhere and most coaches do but right now for a G5 coach like Drink or Norvell to take a job at Arkansas or Ole Miss that is either ego or money or both.

Can't worry though because nothing we can do other than donate.

This is the stupidest freaking argument that somehow gets brought up every offseason

[AppStFan1]

I know Drink feels he can win anywhere and most coaches do but right now for a G5 coach like Drink or Norvell to take a job at Arkansas or Ole Miss that is either ego or money or both.

Can't worry though because nothing we can do other than donate.

This is the stupidest freaking argument that somehow gets brought up every offseason

There are some jobs that everyone can see from a mile away are a no win scenario or so brutal that they aren't worth taking. That is the case with those two jobs. I would only say it is about money or ego for Arkansas or Ole Miss because of the current situations there and the fact you are playing for 4th place, at best. I would not touch Arkansas right now. Morris and Bielma are good coaches who could not win there.

You do realize for coaches 90% of the time they move on simply because of money, right? The WVU coach left for Houston because they paid him more. If we had 5-6M a year to pay our HC then Satterfield would not have left. He left only for money.

Why did Jimbo Fisher leave Florida State if not for money? I mean FSU is a great job but they don't pay as much as Texas A&M was willing to pay.

FSU is an ideal job and if I'm Drink or Norvell I take it but I don't see the allure of Arkansas and Ole Miss at this point. They have had good times in the past but they are jobs that you need to get paid 6-7M to make it worth the work you have to do there.

Money is the driving force for all these jobs. If App State had the money and paid 10M a year then we could get just about any coach we want. Money drives everything. Drink came here to advance his career and make more money than he did before. He would leave for the same reason. It is all about money these days.

[diehardapp18]

I know Drink feels he can win anywhere and most coaches do but right now for a G5 coach like Drink or Norvell to take a job at Arkansas or Ole Miss that is either ego or money or both.

Can't worry though because nothing we can do other than donate.

This is the stupidest freaking argument that somehow gets brought up every offseason

There are some jobs that everyone can see from a mile away are a no win scenario or so brutal that they aren't worth taking. That is the case with those two jobs. I would only say it is about money or ego for Arkansas or Ole Miss because of the current situations there and the fact you are playing for 4th place, at best. I would not touch Arkansas right now. Morris and Bielma are good coaches who could not win there.

You do realize for coaches 90% of the time they move on simply because of money, right? The WVU coach left for Houston because they paid him more. If we had 5-6M a year to pay our HC then Satterfield would not have left. He left only for money.

Why did Jimbo Fisher leave Florida State if not for money? I mean FSU is a great job but they don't pay as much as Texas A&M was willing to pay.

FSU is an ideal job and if I'm Drink or Norvell I take it but I don't see the allure of Arkansas and Ole Miss at this point. They have had good times in the past but they are jobs that you need to get paid 6-7M to make it worth the work you have to do there.

Money is the driving force for all these jobs. If App State had the money and paid 10M a year then we could get just about any coach we want. Money drives everything. Drink came here to advance his career and make more money than he did before. He would leave for the same reason. It is all about money these days.

Money is probably the main driving force. But what is the issue with that? Arkansas or Ole Miss would give absolutely life changing money to someone like Drink. I agree the SEC West is an absolute gauntlet right now, both jobs are difficult. But you’re in the SEC. This is the show. You have incredible fan support and recruiting opportunities. Every year people say “this job is a DUMPSTER fire!”

Well, yes, in most cases new head coaches aren’t walking into a 10 win roster (Drink being a rare exception.) Usually a coach takes a job because the previous guy there wasn’t able to win and left the program in rough shape. If Drink became the coach at Arkansas he could go 0-36 there and still never have to worry about money another day the rest of his life.

And don’t give me the whole “it’s career suicide argument.” Coach O flopped at Ole Miss but still got the LSU job a decade later.

[BeauFoster]

Money is probably the main driving force. But what is the issue with that? Arkansas or Ole Miss would give absolutely life changing money to someone like Drink. I agree the SEC West is an absolute gauntlet right now, both jobs are difficult. But you’re in the SEC. This is the show. You have incredible fan support and recruiting opportunities. Every year people say “this job is a DUMPSTER fire!”

Well, yes, in most cases new head coaches aren’t walking into a 10 win roster (Drink being a rare exception.) Usually a coach takes a job because the previous guy there wasn’t able to win and left the program in rough shape. If Drink became the coach at Arkansas he could go 0-36 there and still never have to worry about money another day the rest of his life.

And don’t give me the whole “it’s career suicide argument.” Coach O flopped at Ole Miss but still got the LSU job a decade later.

Money is the driving force in 99.9% of all career decisions, and I don't fault anyone for making a better life for themselves or their family. Idealism is wonderful in theory, but rarely has any place in the real world.

[Rick83]

The thing about Drink is that he has those 3 years experience as a P5 OC in which he turned that offense around. P5s value P5 experience. He also has pretty much been a winner every where he's been involved. I hope we have him 3-4 more years and that he leaves us in a strong position, which I suspect he will, but I fear that if we win the next two games and then have a repeat performance next year that he'll be snatched away. Especially if we make it to and win the NY6 access bowl either of the two seasons although this year is a real stretch at this point.

NY6 has no bearing. Satt was negotiating a Louisville deal the week before the SBC title game. If Drink gets an offer it would be around now. A new team would want him right after the SBC title game so our NY6 result won't matter. Now, if he went to NY6 next year without an offer maybe that would get him one the following year but only if the season was going great the following year. The NY6 alone would not be the reason why.

I think the NY6 would be a huge resume item for Drink and would get him on many short lists, as that crowns that team as the best G5 in the land which is a huge accomplishment especially for a non-AAC, non-Boise St team. But I wasn't talking about him leaving this year, I was saying that if he wins the SBC championship and bowl game this year and then repeats again next year then it's unlikely we get him for 3 or 4 more years. Add in a NY6 win and he's scheduling movers, it's delusional to think otherwise especially with his other experience.

[appstatealum]

It's all about Drink betting on himself. If he wants to take the money now, there will probably be a gig available that pays more but probably won't be glorious in the "W" column. If he wants to bet on himself, he can finish out this year strong and then try and take us to an undefeated season or NY6 next year and hope a better situation comes knocking. I don't blame him either way, that why he came here.

[Rick83]

Let's be clear. I love Drink but if we do lose him at some point I have total confidence that Doug Gillin will make another great hire and our program will continue on the same trajectory. Our program was not based on Satt, and it's not based on Drink...it's bigger than any one man.

[ukappfan]

The hard truth is we will lose Drink sometime in the near future. Like others have said, DG did a great job with this hire and I have all the confidence he will with the next. We have shown that this is a top 25/top 20 program the past two years so I am sure there will be a lot of talented folks interested.

[ukappfan]

The hard truth is we will lose Drink sometime in the near future. Like others have said, DG did a great job with this hire and I have all the confidence he will with the next. We have shown that this is a top 25/top 20 program the past two years so I am sure there will be a lot of talented folks interested.

[Yosef10]

Don’t kid yourselves into thinking both Ole Miss and Arkansas aren’t top 30 jobs in the country. Wins in prior years don’t determine the quality of a job, resources do and neither program is struggling the least in that regard. That being said I’m more worried about USF and in particular, Memphis if it opens up, than either of those at this time.

[bigdaddyg]

It is crazy and pretty comical how people categorize various football programs and jobs. Typically the only jobs that come open at major college football programs are those whose alumni and fan bases are, for the most part, delusional. The mid and lower tier schools in the SEC and the Big 10 are probably never going to be better than maybe 7-5 unless they pull and Ole Miss and suddenly sign 3 or 4 of the top recruits and then become top 10 seemingly overnight. Did anyone besides me scratch their head when that happened a few years ago? And did anyone besides me say that they saw that coming when Ole Miss got busted a few years later? Some of the lower and mid tier, perennial close to .500 P5's think that if they can just get that "genius of a coach" he will perform some magic and turn them into a powerhouse. Well it just doesn't happen very often. The big boys will always be the big boys unless one of them like Texas lets things fall apart and they just keep churning out coach after coach because they have stupid money.

The schools we term "dumpster fires" are usually the same run of the mill mid to lower tier programs that really aren't that bad but can't make the jump. The experts on this board who say that no coach should go to said "dumpster fire" because the money isn't worth it are idiots. If any really good G5 making less than a million per (with every single bonus and incentive met) can quadruple his salary and get 3 or 4 years will take it, unless he is nuts. Even if he goes to Delusional U or Dumpster Fire U he can still walk away with a cool $10M even if he gets canned in two years because he didn't perform a miracle. That same coach can call it a career, go back to a high school or like most, just move on to the next gig because he has achieved that status that will keep him hired. If anyone says that they would not leave their job for 4 times the salary they are nuts.

[HighPointApp]

Why must we continually re-hash this topic over and over again?

[ukappfan]

Why must we continually re-hash this topic over and over again?

My guess is because we are winning and they have nothing to complain about?

[proasu89]

Why must we continually re-hash this topic over and over again?

Because hand wringing and beating dead horses fills the time between games. And work sucks

[BeauFoster]

Why must we continually re-hash this topic over and over again?

The question isn't why, it's why not?