Football Scoop: Coach Blalock not returning/Jones not DC

[PhillyApp1]

I have to say that the Dline player i know from the past have all raved about coach Blaylock, so i am not sure he is a bad coach....but sh** happens and sometimes you have to move on in this world....i wish him luck if he staysm or if he leaves...GO APP

[GlassOnion]

I dont have anything personal against Blaylock.

I dont like posters that are missing 50% of objectivity though. Criticism is part of it. If youre not willing to criticise, or even hear it, your opinion doesnt mean that much to me, I already know what Im going to get from you.

If Blaylock had any input on App running the 3-4 this year, that was a horrible coaching decision. App didnt have the personnel to run the 3-4, which was why everyone here was shocked when we didnt bring in a 320 lb JUCO NT last year. Dont give me losing Tanyi as an excuse either, he's strong, but he's a 250 lb DE, not a NT which was where they were running him in the spring.

Now thats my opinion. The opinion that really matters however, is Satterfield's. And his opinion on who we could best do without is now obvious. Im sure Satterfield didnt just up and decide "Hey, I think I'll fire a guy thats doing a great job today!"

[T-Dog]

I love when someone is fired, a close friend or family member has to go online to defend that person against the mean internet.

Dear family or friends of coaches who on the internet to defend them. You're not helping.

[Saint3333]

Cobb must be one heck of a chess player.

[Yosef84]

I believe you are correct.

Another sad moment for this message board. Stupidity and insensitivity know no bounds.

I believe that players, coaches and relatives of players and coaches come to this board at their own risk.

More likely than not at some point they might get their feelings hurt.

If he is related to a coach the moment he enters this message board that is his choice and he suffers the consequences. When you sign up to take a position as a coach you are in the public eye of fans and subject to feedback. You are not some accountant crunching numbers in a back office.

At times we praise coaches and at other times we speak our minds. Good or bad. But the posters on this board should not have to live in fear of stepping on the toes of people close to the program. This is a fan message board, not an employee/relative of an employee message board.

They want to hang out and post here that's fine, the more the merry. BUT they best be wearing their big boy pants.

Why is it so difficult to make observations or carry on a discourse while observing some basic rules of etiquette? I would think that most folks have been raised with better manners and would never make these kinds of comments if they were standing face to face with a player / coach / family member. Sorry, but claiming that they enter at their own risk is a cop out for people who either lack basic manners or refuse to use them. We enjoy the input and insight we get from these folks and treating them (and other guests as well) with some basic respect is a small price to pay.

A fan message board is no place for players, coaches or relatives of such to hang out. Sooner or later they will get their feelings hurt. Not a cop out. It is common sense.

Take a basic statement on a message board like "Wow, our offensive line sure is bad." If you played on the offensive line or son played on the offensive line or your son-in-law coached the O-line that would upset or piss you off. Would it not? So you do enter this forum at your own risk. Because, like it or not, that is what a message board is for... to share insight, opinions and conversation on the team, coaches, and overall performance. Sometimes we give out lollipops and sometimes we give out lemons.

I would be willing to bet the coaches have a policy preventing players or themselves from posting on these message boards.

Under your logic, fans on this message board can't write anything negative about the team's performance, play of certain positions or coaches because if we did, we would be showing a lack of respect and could hurt the feelings of people involved in the program.

And yes people post things on message boards they would never say in public. That is a fact that is not gonna change. How many people use a real name as a screen name?

Totally wrong. The reality that message boards are likely to hurt a person's feelings when they have a vested interest is not an excuse to launch attacks at will or to remove all semblance of civility in a discussion. Nobody said that you can never say anything negative or make a criticism, so please don't try to put words in my mouth. There is a way in which comments can be made where it doesn't become a personal attack. Go back and read this thread, and I think you'll see where lines were crossed.

[ASUMountaineer]

I believe you are correct.

Another sad moment for this message board. Stupidity and insensitivity know no bounds.

I believe that players, coaches and relatives of players and coaches come to this board at their own risk.

More likely than not at some point they might get their feelings hurt.

If he is related to a coach the moment he enters this message board that is his choice and he suffers the consequences. When you sign up to take a position as a coach you are in the public eye of fans and subject to feedback. You are not some accountant crunching numbers in a back office.

At times we praise coaches and at other times we speak our minds. Good or bad. But the posters on this board should not have to live in fear of stepping on the toes of people close to the program. This is a fan message board, not an employee/relative of an employee message board.

They want to hang out and post here that's fine, the more the merry. BUT they best be wearing their big boy pants.

Why is it so difficult to make observations or carry on a discourse while observing some basic rules of etiquette? I would think that most folks have been raised with better manners and would never make these kinds of comments if they were standing face to face with a player / coach / family member. Sorry, but claiming that they enter at their own risk is a cop out for people who either lack basic manners or refuse to use them. We enjoy the input and insight we get from these folks and treating them (and other guests as well) with some basic respect is a small price to pay.

Wow, I had no idea wiseapp was related to anyone on the staff. I also didn't see too many posts that were so derogatory to bring out the dogs to get after the posters. I would figure that if wiseapp was familiar with message boards he would know they are not a place rife with civility.

My guess is he preferred to not have his ties known, and once they were exposed that upset some posters because it was clear that he was ripping the decision because he has a vested interest. I completely understand wiseapp's unhappiness, and I'm ok with that. I am just not sure the MMB is the place to air his grievances regarding his son-in-law's employment status.

I do think, and would hope, that posters would treat everyone posting with respect--but, we all know that that is unlikely. With that said, it doesn't help if a poster in wiseapp's position comes here to defend his son-in-law by trashing the AD--that all but guarantees to generate some conflict on the MMB.

This thread should probably be locked as people won't be able to help themselves.

[WVAPPeer]

ASUMountaineer - ye wise young VP - your points are well stated my friend - the point a couple of us have is - why do fans want coaches fired every week? - these are hard working men with families who want to win more than any fan - (I am referring to ONLY on the field activities - NOT OFF) - this is not a program spiraling to the depths of hell - this team has won 7 of 8 conference championships --- yeah message boards are for discussion, I understand that but it goes beyond discussion when anonymous posters want people fired - and for what? - based on what? - I have read where some have used the point that we were 90th in defense - Is this a fair number to use for firing someone - HELL NO - It does not take into consideration we play the 3 top rushing teams in the country - they put up big yards win or lose - Take North Dakota State for instance - they have the best ranked defense in the country - going into the playoffs they were giving up about 70 yds per game rushing and about 195 total - Against Wofford they gave up 326 yards (130 over the average) and against GSU they gave up 431 yards (235 over average) - Do you think they really care? - NO, they won both games - My point is to use a national number to judge our coaches is not only unfair it is irrational - What logical basis do these people have who want to fire coaches? - Help me out here ASUMountaineer ---

[GlassOnion]

- I have read where some have used the point that we were 90th in defense - Is this a fair number to use for firing someone - HELL NO - It does not take into consideration we play the 3 top rushing teams in the country - they put up big yards win or lose - Take North Dakota State for instance - they have the best ranked defense in the country - going into the playoffs they were giving up about 70 yds per game rushing and about 195 total - Against Wofford they gave up 326 yards (130 over the average) and against GSU they gave up 431 yards (235 over average) - Do you think they really care? - NO, they won both games - My point is to use a national number to judge our coaches is not only unfair it is irrational - What logical basis do these people have who want to fire coaches? - Help me out here ASUMountaineer ---

You just gave an excuse for being 90th in the country by saying we play the top 3 rushing teams in the country...

I may not be as sharp as I used to be, but who exactly did NDSU play last week and the week before?
The 2 best teams of the 3 you mentioned.

And they are still #1 in total defense and scoring defense. By your logic, they should be 2/3 of the way to being 90th in the country by now.

We see the triple O 3x a year, not counting playoffs, how familiar is NDSU with it?

[BeauFoster]

ASUMountaineer - ye wise young VP - your points are well stated my friend - the point a couple of us have is - why do fans want coaches fired every week? - these are hard working men with families who want to win more than any fan - (I am referring to ONLY on the field activities - NOT OFF) - this is not a program spiraling to the depths of hell - this team has won 7 of 8 conference championships --- yeah message boards are for discussion, I understand that but it goes beyond discussion when anonymous posters want people fired - and for what? - based on what? - I have read where some have used the point that we were 90th in defense - Is this a fair number to use for firing someone - HELL NO - It does not take into consideration we play the 3 top rushing teams in the country - they put up big yards win or lose - Take North Dakota State for instance - they have the best ranked defense in the country - going into the playoffs they were giving up about 70 yds per game rushing and about 195 total - Against Wofford they gave up 326 yards (130 over the average) and against GSU they gave up 431 yards (235 over average) - Do you think they really care? - NO, they won both games - My point is to use a national number to judge our coaches is not only unfair it is irrational - What logical basis do these people have who want to fire coaches? - Help me out here ASUMountaineer ---

First - that 90th ranked defense failed, yet again, to help us advance past our first playoff game. That's a good reason to start shaking things up. Second, wanting and caring is not a reason to keep a job. I would love to be a pro golfer, but wanting it and carding an 85 every round won't get sponsors to foot the bill, and it won't let me keep my tour card. Take your head out of the sand and realize that this isn't t-ball, it's collegiate athletics. It is a business where the coaches are paid to perform. If they aren't doing it, people will get antsy.

I bet you really want to keep that stellar defense around at your beloved WVU because they are really trying, don't you.

[ASUMountaineer]

ASUMountaineer - ye wise young VP - your points are well stated my friend - the point a couple of us have is - why do fans want coaches fired every week? - these are hard working men with families who want to win more than any fan - (I am referring to ONLY on the field activities - NOT OFF) - this is not a program spiraling to the depths of hell - this team has won 7 of 8 conference championships --- yeah message boards are for discussion, I understand that but it goes beyond discussion when anonymous posters want people fired - and for what? - based on what? - I have read where some have used the point that we were 90th in defense - Is this a fair number to use for firing someone - HELL NO - It does not take into consideration we play the 3 top rushing teams in the country - they put up big yards win or lose - Take North Dakota State for instance - they have the best ranked defense in the country - going into the playoffs they were giving up about 70 yds per game rushing and about 195 total - Against Wofford they gave up 326 yards (130 over the average) and against GSU they gave up 431 yards (235 over average) - Do you think they really care? - NO, they won both games - My point is to use a national number to judge our coaches is not only unfair it is irrational - What logical basis do these people have who want to fire coaches? - Help me out here ASUMountaineer ---

I have no idea, and the only person I've ever advocated being fired was Marty Hurney (#winning). It is not my job, or anyone's posting here, to make a call on whether to fire a coach. Because of that, I leave that determination to those to which it belongs. Thus, I can't speak for why others advocate firing our coaches.

I agree with your statements above, but irrational criticism wasn't really the point of my post. My post was really an attempt to speak to the sentiment that posters should treat wiseapp differently than other posters because he is here trashing the AD to defend his relative's job performance. I think we both would agree that the MMB is not the appropriate place for wiseapp to discuss his son-in-law's employment status--and doing so leads to what has happened in this thread. I don't want to speak for others, but I was surprised to hear the Blalock wasn't returning. It didn't cross my mind that he may not be back.

Please, el Presidente, don't lump me in with irrational posters...I don't think I'm quite there yet.

[Gonzo]

"God first, Family Second, ASU third."

Good lord I hope this isn't your business strategy. That is a fine mantra to live by personally, but when it comes to a football coach, it's ASU first, ASU second ASU third. At least when you're dealing with ASU related decisions. This is what made coach Moore weak IMO. His inability to sacrifice personal relationships to help the team. I don't think he fired anyone in 24 years (I could be wrong).

I am blown away that some of you are getting butt hurt over some pretty mild criticism of Blalock. I don't recall anyone calling him an ass hole or insulting him personally. All I've read was dialogue about whether or not her was getting the job done. This is a message board. We come here to discuss things. If you're looking for a family pity party to discuss how a member of your brood was thrown under the bus, I suggest you do so over Christmas dinner.

This type of blind nepotism exacerbated the Moore situation just as much as Coach's interviews/misunderstanding.

[goapps93]

One of the problems is we seem to want there to always be some sort of turmoil to discuss. We really don't know what the discussion was between Scott and Jason. It may not have the "you stink, get the heck out" conversion that some seem to think always happens when a coach is let go. I'd bet it was more of a "we want to go in a different direction and your contract want be renewed, I know a few places who are looking for coaches and I'll give you a great reference". Our Dline play wasn't great but it had more to do with it than just coaching. I know when Lonnie Galloway was at ASU he thought a lot of Jason. Maybe he wasn't getting the job done like Scott wants him to but that's no reason to trash him just for the sake of sparking conversation. I'm sure wiseahseapp will learn a lot more during the holiday right from the horses mouth. And I hope he'll let it stay in the family and not air it here, as much as some of you want more dirt to spit.

[GlassOnion]

I see too many teams in the FCS that are doing far more with far less. I havent called to fire anyone, (except once in sarcasm a few days ago.)

But, the fact that some folks believe that there are ANY coaches on this staff from 2008-2011 that have NO reason to lose their job is beyond me.

Steve Brown, post Illinois St, stated he thought the staff had gotten complacent. Hadnt recruited, or made the most out of App's golden years in 05,06,07 and the Michian win. That we should be loaded with Rs seniors on the OL and DL right now.

That is NOT the sign of coaches doing their very best, complacency is NOT a virtue. Nor nepotism. Or how about last year, before the ECU game hearing that we just restarted the conditioning program we'd used during the NC years? Why the HELL did we stop in the first place??!! We were THE best conditioned team in college football! Laziness!

Enough is enough. Collateral damage my hiney.

[SpeedkingATL]

Scott was hired as Head Coach and as CEO of the App football program he will shape his staff to fit the image of what he wants and requires of each functional position. He is like any new CEO that analyzed the changes required to improve the company/team and then reacts by replaceing the Directors/Coaches where he sees the need. I think we can all sit back and see what the staff looks like at the end of the day and the record of the Apps over the next couple of years will determine if he made the right moves.

In Scott we GOTTA trust at this point.

[asumike83]

Samford and Chattanooga also faced the top 3 rushing teams in the country and both gave up about 10 points and 100 yards per game less than we did. Even after all the personnel losses, there was too much talent on our roster to explain that kind of discrepancy. Even Elon ranked above us in total defense by about 30 yards and they were very poor on that side of the ball.

I understand that these coaches work very hard, are good people and want Appalachian to succeed just as badly as all the die-hard fans. However, they are paid to produce results on the field.

None of us have any idea what went on behind the scenes with Coach Blalock. Honestly, I was a little surprised that his contract was not renewed but we don't know the circumstances. Is it possible that SS already has a DC and/or DL coach in mind that fits what he wants to do and he just didn't think Blalock was the best fit? I wish him well in wherever he lands but having the 90th ranked defense in the country is just cause for shaking things up, IMO.

[WVAPPeer]

"Samford and Chattanooga also faced the top 3 rushing teams in the country and both gave up about 10 points and 100 yards per game less than we did. Even after all the personnel losses, there was too much talent on our roster to explain that kind of discrepancy."

now that is a fair comparison of stats - I saw that as well and was impressed that both Samford and Chatty were that highly ranked - of course we beat both of them as well ---

[asumike83]

"Samford and Chattanooga also faced the top 3 rushing teams in the country and both gave up about 10 points and 100 yards per game less than we did. Even after all the personnel losses, there was too much talent on our roster to explain that kind of discrepancy."

now that is a fair comparison of stats - I saw that as well and was impressed that both Samford and Chatty were that highly ranked - of course we beat both of them as well ---

We got nice road wins over both of them and I completely agree that we were a better overall team than both Samford and Chattanooga.

In looking at our strengths and weaknesses, the reason we beat them is because our offense is head and shoulders above what they have. I don't think anyone wants changes made on that side of the ball. However, there is no question that both Samford and Chattanooga put significantly better defenses on the field than us and that has to change.

I don't know what the solution is but I'll trust Coach Satterfield's decisions until he gives me a reason not to. One way or another, our defensive performance has got to catch up to our offense.

[GlassOnion]

If App's defense was anywhere close to Chattanooga's we'd be in Frisco.

And not only that, we'd be favored for #4.

[JTApps1]

Some people are way too sensitive around here. There were a few posts questioning Blalock's performance based on the poor play of our defense this year, but nobody made any personal attacks against him. I have no idea how good of a coach he is, but we all know our D-Line did struggle this year. Maybe it was personnel or maybe it was coaching. Obviously Satterfield felt like a change in coaches needed to be made, and he has much more knowledge of the situation than anyone here. Much worse things have been said about other coaches in the past, and most comments on the MMB are tame compared to other message boards. Jason is an ASU guy so hopefully he can get another college coaching job an do well there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4

[bcoach]

This is not a slam to Dale Jones but if the reason to fire is that we were the 90th best defense why is it the line coach gets fired instead of the DC? Is our entire defense made up of the line? OR could it be that we don't know what we are talking about and SS does.