UNCCH to Boone?

[AppGrad78]

What I'm wondering is, if the rumors of a "home-and-home-and-buy" are true, are we getting "full price" for that second game in Chapel Hill? Or are we going there for less than what we normally would as part of the deal?

We're not getting full price. The going rate for a G5 at P5 "money game" -- I prefer Coach Moore's term "opportunity game" -- is $1.1 or $1.2 million, and there's no telling what that figure will be when the game is played. We're getting about $800,000, a number that could go to $900,000 if things break our way. We felt the difference was worth it to get the series started.

[EastHallApp]

What I'm wondering is, if the rumors of a "home-and-home-and-buy" are true, are we getting "full price" for that second game in Chapel Hill? Or are we going there for less than what we normally would as part of the deal?

We're not getting full price. The going rate for a G5 at P5 "money game" -- I prefer Coach Moore's term "opportunity game" -- is $1.1 or $1.2 million, and there's no telling what that figure will be when the game is played. We're getting about $800,000, a number that could go to $900,000 if things break our way. We felt the difference was worth it to get the series started.

I agree, and thanks for the info.

[hapapp]

What I'm wondering is, if the rumors of a "home-and-home-and-buy" are true, are we getting "full price" for that second game in Chapel Hill? Or are we going there for less than what we normally would as part of the deal?

We're not getting full price. The going rate for a G5 at P5 "money game" -- I prefer Coach Moore's term "opportunity game" -- is $1.1 or $1.2 million, and there's no telling what that figure will be when the game is played. We're getting about $800,000, a number that could go to $900,000 if things break our way. We felt the difference was worth it to get the series started.

And the travel costs will be less for this game that many of the P5 games we would play. In the end, we may wind getting a better deal even though it is for less.

[MtnMan09]

Went to the UNC Scout free board, those guys are mixed on the series. More are against it than for it, but not by a lot. Pros are that it's in state, better than FCS, and they will finally be able to sell tickets. Cons are the same old arguments that they have nothing to gain, should never have to play in Boone, at least one said it wouldn't count towards bowl eligibility. And apparently, we allow partial qualifiers. I didn't bother to register and mention that we actually attend classes around here.

The poster is, of course, correct that their games against us won't count towards their bowl eligibility. That eligibility is based off wins after all.

Heyoooo zingggg. A burn about a burn. Nicely done.

[firemoose]

I can name off a LONG list of non qualifiers from the last 5+ years to the "bastions of student-athlete academic standards" that we really wanted to bring to App but who couldn't get in. And even some that we had to send to JUCO for the same reasons. Why do you think we haven't gotten any DT's in the last two years. We've offered 25+. Several wanted to come but couldn't qualify. We don't take PQ's.

Someone ought to remind them about the "lower academic standards" at App considering we tried to get a DE Grad transfer from UNC last year. DE Junior Gonokonde came here at least two times for visits and wanted to come and finish out his time here but his grades were not good enough to get into our grad school. Yes grad requirements are higher but it wasn't close. He would have had to take the grad entrance exam just to try and get in. He wound up playing for Troy this year. They want to talk about PQ's then they need to look elsewhere.

[ericsaid]

I really feel like these negotiations start as a cliche: "You'll never know until you ask". App has an AD that will ask, meanwhile Georgia Southern is replacing Kent State with NMSU.

[MtnMan09]

I really feel like these negotiations start as a cliche: "You'll never know until you ask". App has an AD that will ask, meanwhile Georgia Southern is replacing Kent State with NMSU.

I can not wait to see the meltdown that occurs on their board when this gets announced.

[ericsaid]

What I'm wondering is, if the rumors of a "home-and-home-and-buy" are true, are we getting "full price" for that second game in Chapel Hill? Or are we going there for less than what we normally would as part of the deal?

We're not getting full price. The going rate for a G5 at P5 "money game" -- I prefer Coach Moore's term "opportunity game" -- is $1.1 or $1.2 million, and there's no telling what that figure will be when the game is played. We're getting about $800,000, a number that could go to $900,000 if things break our way. We felt the difference was worth it to get the series started.

How much extra revenue will be generated when UNC heads up the mountain when compared to a MAC, C-USA, or FCS school? I imagine it's more than enough to off-set the $200,000 difference of a full price game.

[ericsaid]

I really feel like these negotiations start as a cliche: "You'll never know until you ask". App has an AD that will ask, meanwhile Georgia Southern is replacing Kent State with NMSU.

I can not wait to see the meltdown that occurs on their board when this gets announced.

Southern may fire their entire athletics department. Not to mention Coastal Carolina will likely be announcing some big match-ups due to their location.

[Longrifle28]

I can name off a LONG list of non qualifiers from the last 5+ years to the "bastions of student-athlete academic standards" that we really wanted to bring to App but who couldn't get in. And even some that we had to send to JUCO for the same reasons. Why do you think we haven't gotten any DT's in the last two years. We've offered 25+. Several wanted to come but couldn't qualify. We don't take PQ's.

Someone ought to remind them about the "lower academic standards" at App considering we tried to get a DE Grad transfer from UNC last year. DE Junior Gonokonde came here at least two times for visits and wanted to come and finish out his time here but his grades were not good enough to get into our grad school. Yes grad requirements are higher but it wasn't close. He would have had to take the grad entrance exam just to try and get in. He wound up playing for Troy this year. They want to talk about PQ's then they need to look elsewhere.

Hey some of the UNC fans that use this message board should fire up their Inside Carolina account and set the record straight. But be warned, you may get banned for life. LOL

[EastHallApp]

Seems to be a lot of confusion around the difference between partial qualifiers vs. a school's admissions requirements vs. a particular staff's decisions on whether to take academically borderline kids.

[firemoose]

Seems to be a lot of confusion around the difference between partial qualifiers vs. a school's admissions requirements vs. a particular staff's decisions on whether to take academically borderline kids.

One reason I put "student-athlete" in my post instead of just students. It's easy to see who has the highest general admissions standards in the UNC system and in what order all the schools rank. Several publications post those rankings and App is usually a close third (with UNC-W right with us) on most, just behind CH and State. It varies a little but those are the averages. But for student-athletes we know that the standards are NOT what they are saying.

And our staff will not take PQ's or even borderline guys now. We took a few borderline ones during the transition years because we had to build up to 85 but since then we are not taking anyone even close. Staff doesn't want to deal with any more issues than they have too. And a few guys are always going to have some trouble even if they come in with good grades, given how much different (harder) college is and the extra requirements we put on our guys, especially in football routine.

[Gonzo]

I can name off a LONG list of non qualifiers from the last 5+ years to the "bastions of student-athlete academic standards" that we really wanted to bring to App but who couldn't get in. And even some that we had to send to JUCO for the same reasons. Why do you think we haven't gotten any DT's in the last two years. We've offered 25+. Several wanted to come but couldn't qualify. We don't take PQ's.

Someone ought to remind them about the "lower academic standards" at App considering we tried to get a DE Grad transfer from UNC last year. DE Junior Gonokonde came here at least two times for visits and wanted to come and finish out his time here but his grades were not good enough to get into our grad school. Yes grad requirements are higher but it wasn't close. He would have had to take the grad entrance exam just to try and get in. He wound up playing for Troy this year. They want to talk about PQ's then they need to look elsewhere.

Obviously we don't admit those non-Q, P-Q, BB-Q type players (or whatever) as many have already posted, but the very idea of a UNC fan critiquing ANY school about non-compliance with internal or external academic standards for athletes makes my head spin.

[Yosef84]

Went to the UNC Scout free board, those guys are mixed on the series. More are against it than for it, but not by a lot. Pros are that it's in state, better than FCS, and they will finally be able to sell tickets. Cons are the same old arguments that they have nothing to gain, should never have to play in Boone, at least one said it wouldn't count towards bowl eligibility. And apparently, we allow partial qualifiers. I didn't bother to register and mention that we actually attend classes around here.

The poster is, of course, correct that their games against us won't count towards their bowl eligibility. That eligibility is based off wins after all.

Dang! You beat me to it!

[bcoach]

I can name off a LONG list of non qualifiers from the last 5+ years to the "bastions of student-athlete academic standards" that we really wanted to bring to App but who couldn't get in. And even some that we had to send to JUCO for the same reasons. Why do you think we haven't gotten any DT's in the last two years. We've offered 25+. Several wanted to come but couldn't qualify. We don't take PQ's.

Someone ought to remind them about the "lower academic standards" at App considering we tried to get a DE Grad transfer from UNC last year. DE Junior Gonokonde came here at least two times for visits and wanted to come and finish out his time here but his grades were not good enough to get into our grad school. Yes grad requirements are higher but it wasn't close. He would have had to take the grad entrance exam just to try and get in. He wound up playing for Troy this year. They want to talk about PQ's then they need to look elsewhere.

Obviously we don't admit those non-Q, P-Q, BB-Q type players (or whatever) as many have already posted, but the very idea of a UNC fan critiquing ANY school about non-compliance with internal or external academic standards for athletes makes my head spin.

They do no wrong you do no right. I can't stand them and highly doubt I'll be at the games.

[MtnMan09]

I can name off a LONG list of non qualifiers from the last 5+ years to the "bastions of student-athlete academic standards" that we really wanted to bring to App but who couldn't get in. And even some that we had to send to JUCO for the same reasons. Why do you think we haven't gotten any DT's in the last two years. We've offered 25+. Several wanted to come but couldn't qualify. We don't take PQ's.

Someone ought to remind them about the "lower academic standards" at App considering we tried to get a DE Grad transfer from UNC last year. DE Junior Gonokonde came here at least two times for visits and wanted to come and finish out his time here but his grades were not good enough to get into our grad school. Yes grad requirements are higher but it wasn't close. He would have had to take the grad entrance exam just to try and get in. He wound up playing for Troy this year. They want to talk about PQ's then they need to look elsewhere.

Obviously we don't admit those non-Q, P-Q, BB-Q type players (or whatever) as many have already posted, but the very idea of a UNC fan critiquing ANY school about non-compliance with internal or external academic standards for athletes makes my head spin.

They do no wrong you do no right. I can't stand them and highly doubt I'll be at the games.

That seems a little counter productive. You're not going to show up and support the Apps as a form of protest against UNC?

[Yosef10]

I can name off a LONG list of non qualifiers from the last 5+ years to the "bastions of student-athlete academic standards" that we really wanted to bring to App but who couldn't get in. And even some that we had to send to JUCO for the same reasons. Why do you think we haven't gotten any DT's in the last two years. We've offered 25+. Several wanted to come but couldn't qualify. We don't take PQ's.

Someone ought to remind them about the "lower academic standards" at App considering we tried to get a DE Grad transfer from UNC last year. DE Junior Gonokonde came here at least two times for visits and wanted to come and finish out his time here but his grades were not good enough to get into our grad school. Yes grad requirements are higher but it wasn't close. He would have had to take the grad entrance exam just to try and get in. He wound up playing for Troy this year. They want to talk about PQ's then they need to look elsewhere.

Obviously we don't admit those non-Q, P-Q, BB-Q type players (or whatever) as many have already posted, but the very idea of a UNC fan critiquing ANY school about non-compliance with internal or external academic standards for athletes makes my head spin.

Probably a good thing I don't have access to their board they're putting this on but yeah. It's just mind boggling the lack of self-awareness one has to have to post that.

[MtnMan09]

Is Southern's big message board Flight Line? I can't ever remember. Try to never set foot over there.

[bcoach]

I can name off a LONG list of non qualifiers from the last 5+ years to the "bastions of student-athlete academic standards" that we really wanted to bring to App but who couldn't get in. And even some that we had to send to JUCO for the same reasons. Why do you think we haven't gotten any DT's in the last two years. We've offered 25+. Several wanted to come but couldn't qualify. We don't take PQ's.

Someone ought to remind them about the "lower academic standards" at App considering we tried to get a DE Grad transfer from UNC last year. DE Junior Gonokonde came here at least two times for visits and wanted to come and finish out his time here but his grades were not good enough to get into our grad school. Yes grad requirements are higher but it wasn't close. He would have had to take the grad entrance exam just to try and get in. He wound up playing for Troy this year. They want to talk about PQ's then they need to look elsewhere.

Obviously we don't admit those non-Q, P-Q, BB-Q type players (or whatever) as many have already posted, but the very idea of a UNC fan critiquing ANY school about non-compliance with internal or external academic standards for athletes makes my head spin.

They do no wrong you do no right. I can't stand them and highly doubt I'll be at the games.

That seems a little counter productive. You're not going to show up and support the Apps as a form of protest against UNC?

No it's not a protest. I can't stand being anywhere near them.

[mike87]

At all our P5 games to date I've always been treated well by the opposing fans. Mostly respectful, maybe slightly condescending but not so much that it was offensive. And I've been respectful to their fans, enjoyed good football conversations and usually end up pulling for their team for the rest of the season.

I don't see that happening at UNCheat.