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[Bootsy]

with all this said who would be your top 3 replacements:
Our course Steve Wilks would be at the top of the wish list. I saw he is working as a volunteer at UNCC which was suprising. I'm guessing he is waiting for an NFL DC job to open up.

Beyond that I haven't been in tune with coaching to know who else might be a good fit.

Andy Capone (played baseball at App) is doing some big things at Weddington HS, but that would obviously be a big leap.

Having reached a high level in the NFL, I just can't see Wilks wanting to deal with the NIL/TP treadmill.

[appfanjj]

Not trying to be negative, but it is what it is. I can’t believe App vs CCU is the best ESPN could do. Maybe our ratings are that good.

App State is still a viable national brand. I doubt too many people across the nation realize how much we have declined recently though.
It's just name recognition.

Living in Texas I can confirm our name recognition is very high.

Also we are in a down year...I'm not going to agree that our program has "declined"

Do you agree now?

[BallantyneApp]

Not trying to be negative, but it is what it is. I can’t believe App vs CCU is the best ESPN could do. Maybe our ratings are that good.

App State is still a viable national brand. I doubt too many people across the nation realize how much we have declined recently though.
It's just name recognition.

Living in Texas I can confirm our name recognition is very high.

Also we are in a down year...I'm not going to agree that our program has "declined"

Do you agree now?

It’s going to take more than one bad year for our name recognition to go down but just getting blown out on national TV multiple times this season doesn’t help

[JTApps1]

Former player and coach has told me for years that this staff doesn’t work hard on the recruiting trail. I defer to him as he still has a lot of contacts in that world.

My biggest concern with Clark is some of his hires. Some of these guys are on the downhill side of their career. Satt built a staff out of up and coming coaches who were hungry to prove themselves. Our performance on the field makes it look like we're no longer finding the right players aka "App guys."

[WASU 93]

It isn't just the defense that has let us down. How many games would we have won if we just didn't turn the ball over excessively. Marshall we have 2 interceptions and a fumble, Ull we had 4 interceptions and a phantom fumble, last night we have 2 interceptions and a fumble. In all of those games, those turnovers produce more point swings were greater than the margin we lost by. Sure, the defense is a porous as a net but if we don't give the other guys the ball so often, we have at least 2 more wins (and 2 less losses) and maybe 3. It has been a demoralizing season.

Clemson Deficit 42-0 and 49-7. turnovers App 3. Clemson 1. Third Down efficiency App 4-13 Clemson 6-12
ECU. Deficit 16-0. turnovers App 3/ECU 2. 3rd Down. App 6-14. ECU 5-13
SoAl. Deficit 28-0. turnovers App2/SouthAl 1. 3rd Down. App 4-13. SouthAl. 6-11
Marshall Deficit 7-0 (28-10). turnovers App2/Marshall 0. 3rd Down. App 3-14. Marshall 5-8
LaLa. Deficit 3-0 (17-7). turnovers App 5/LaLa 1. 3rd Down App 8-14. LaLa 6-13
GaSt. Deficit N/A. turnovers App 1/GaSt 0. 3rd Down App 7-12. GaSt 1-8
ODU. App Scored first, then deficit of 17-7. turnovers App 1/ODU 4. 3rd Down App 7-11/ODU 7-13
Coastal. Deficit 17-0. turnovers App 3 Coastal 0. 3rd Down. App 6-15 Coastal 6-10

I think we are a bad team/injured team with a slim margin of error that doesn't execute well enough to win. We don't have offensive playmakers that can take it to the house (rushing) or after the catch (receiving) and we don't really have the defensive playmakers that we've had in the past.
I also think the defense has been average since the 2nd half of the LaLa game. But, the offense isn't explosive enough to keep pace early. Last night, we had two drives to tie the game at 17 and didn''t capitalize on either. Then, after yielding a TD, the near pick 6 was the dagger. (just like the near pick 6 emptied the stadium against South Al and the fumble return flipped the game against LaLa.

Sloan's zombie defense (no shifts or coverage changes does nothing to help our team/force mistakes for the opposing offense.

[311neers]

We were 99th in “Power Rankings” heading into the week. Safe to say we will fall to 100+ come Sunday morning.
There are only 134 FBS teams. We can keep going on this trajectory or make a common sense decision and try to reverse the trend.
Interim Chancellor/BOT could be a hero or a zero with the decision.

[kornegaylw]

Not trying to be negative, but it is what it is. I can’t believe App vs CCU is the best ESPN could do. Maybe our ratings are that good.

App State is still a viable national brand. I doubt too many people across the nation realize how much we have declined recently though.
It's just name recognition.

Living in Texas I can confirm our name recognition is very high.

Also we are in a down year...I'm not going to agree that our program has "declined"

Do you agree now?

Yes.

You can see this team doesn't believe in themselves. They go down and know they can't come back.

[Pikapp79]

Not trying to be negative, but it is what it is. I can’t believe App vs CCU is the best ESPN could do. Maybe our ratings are that good.

App State is still a viable national brand. I doubt too many people across the nation realize how much we have declined recently though.
It's just name recognition.

Living in Texas I can confirm our name recognition is very high.

Also we are in a down year...I'm not going to agree that our program has "declined"

Do you agree now?

Yes.

You can see this team doesn't believe in themselves. They go down and know they can't come back.

Comes down to lack of talent

[Stonewall]

If so , it’s poor recruiting.

[Pikapp79]

Agree which is on the coaches.

[311neers]

Wonder if a having a new coach would get fan excitement levels to increase. Thus, more YC members, more ticket sales, more NIL donations…which leads to better recruiting…etc. Fans get excited about new things. Not too excited about a stale coach that you know is going to start slow and claw back to .500.

[Stonewall]

Yes. Looking across the spectrum, that seems to be what happens. Rightfully or not.

[311neers]

https://x.com/kfordratings/status/18556 ... 3hJ5cku44g

Slid down to 101 from 99. Ouch.

[BambooRdApp]

Wonder if a having a new coach would get fan excitement levels to increase. Thus, more YC members, more ticket sales, more NIL donations…which leads to better recruiting…etc. Fans get excited about new things. Not too excited about a stale coach that you know is going to start slow and claw back to .500.

We may have larger issues on the NIL front that goes beyond a short term bump from a new coaching hire.
Any new coach coming, if it happens in the future, will only be successful as they can get talented kids on campus. Although winning the Sunbelt is the path to get any chance at a playoff. As long as there is an opportunity for a Group conference team allowed in, that is and should be the goal. I get it, it will not happen in most years...but should be the goal....So, our nil has to be at in the top 5 to 7 year in and year out.related to Group level schools. My gut reaction is that it may not be at that level for App. St. ...but not sure if that is the case. Whether one likes the new era of college football and NIL or not, a new coach can be great at Xs and Os...but that will only take you so far if you do not have the Jimmy and Joe's....
Is it the full proof? ..no....there are plenty of schools that have spent amount and not won consistently.... however, it helps ...if I am a potential coach, that is one of my top questions....I want to understand how App..St. NIL compares to all other Group schools....not just Sunbelt....
Taking out a loyalty related candidate if they have a past relationship with App..St...if I am looking for a HC position, that is high on my list of of pluses and negatives in making my decision. Just my opinion..

[AppStFan1]

Wonder if a having a new coach would get fan excitement levels to increase. Thus, more YC members, more ticket sales, more NIL donations…which leads to better recruiting…etc. Fans get excited about new things. Not too excited about a stale coach that you know is going to start slow and claw back to .500.

We may have larger issues on the NIL front that goes beyond a short term bump from a new coaching hire.
Any new coach coming, if it happens in the future, will only be successful as they can get talented kids on campus. Although winning the Sunbelt is the path to get any chance at a playoff. As long as there is an opportunity for a Group conference team allowed in, that is and should be the goal. I get it, it will not happen in most years...but should be the goal....So, our nil has to be at in the top 5 to 7 year in and year out.related to Group level schools. My gut reaction is that it may not be at that level for App. St. ...but not sure if that is the case. Whether one likes the new era of college football and NIL or not, a new coach can be great at Xs and Os...but that will only take you so far if you do not have the Jimmy and Joe's....
Is it the full proof? ..no....there are plenty of schools that have spent amount and not won consistently.... however, it helps ...if I am a potential coach, that is one of my top questions....I want to understand how App..St. NIL compares to all other Group schools....not just Sunbelt....
Taking out a loyalty related candidate if they have a past relationship with App..St...if I am looking for a HC position, that is high on my list of of pluses and negatives in making my decision. Just my opinion..

These were the numbers I found for top G5 teams in 2023 and if these are accurate then we should be top 2 in the SBC with current NIL.
AAC: SMU 2.1 mil, Tulane 1.5 mil
C-USA: Western Kentucky 1.1 mil
MAC: Toledo 2.5 mil, Western Michigan 1.2 mil
MW: Boise State 2 mil
SBC: James Madison 1.9 mil, App State 1.4 mil

While NIL can't be ignored I think coaches have to do a great job of identifying undervalued talent, developing players, and getting the right guys to fit what we do.

Why should we give this staff more NIL money when they are vastly underachieving with what they are given now? More money does not always fix everything. You have to have hard-working, competent, organize, accountable, and skilled people in this business. Not everyone in every part of college football is really good at their job just like with any industry. We can't blindly trust that every coach is doing a good job. They need to earn that trust and this staff just has not done it. It pains me to say it because I love Shawn but he has put a lot of people around him who need to go and I don't trust he will do it.

[BambooRdApp]

I never said give it to current staff. I said if I am a coach interviewing for the job. I want someone that has expectations of more than just SBC titles....playoffs (as long as option) and NY6 bowl as long as it is available as well.

Ashton Jeanty NIL deals: 3 endorsements signed by $1.4 million valued Boise State RB.
Boise, in some shape or form themselves or related to their program, is giving more than $2.0 million

[MrCraig]

Not trying to be negative, but it is what it is. I can’t believe App vs CCU is the best ESPN could do. Maybe our ratings are that good.

App State is still a viable national brand. I doubt too many people across the nation realize how much we have declined recently though.
It's just name recognition.

Living in Texas I can confirm our name recognition is very high.

Also we are in a down year...I'm not going to agree that our program has "declined"

Do you agree now?

It’s going to take more than one bad year for our name recognition to go down but just getting blown out on national TV multiple times this season doesn’t help

I think it’s both. App is not performing to the standard we fans are used to, but App’s cultural capital is still there. Most folks just know App beat Michigan and Texas A&M, and college football folks know App is consistently good. Most people don’t know how bad App is this year.

[AppStFan1]

Agree which is on the coaches.

More than just coaches. 25 years ago everything was pretty much on the coaches themselves but now we got a big support staff that has to be looked into as well. It all starts with Shawn but he hired the coaches and then picked Nolan Jones and Thomas Guerry who hired the rest of support staff with his support. We have to make changes with coaches and support staff or else many of our current issues won't go away.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Somebody said it earlier, we need up and coming young guys on the coaching staff. We need guys that are hungry. The ones on staff are just here to eat.

[BeauFoster]

Somebody said it earlier, we need up and coming young guys on the coaching staff. We need guys that are hungry. The ones on staff are just here to eat.

You mean Mark Spier isn’t doing a great job holding that notebook???