The Real 2014 App State

[WVAPPeer]

I did go back and look at my Phil Steele magazine and he had APP 10th - with LA-Lafayette = 1st --- South Alabama = 2nd --- UL- Monroe = 3rd ---

[APPARJ]

APPARJ wrote:
"But you're right. We had more talent than Villanova and got curb stomped by way of coaching and execution at The Rock."

Don't know if you were referring to my comments or not --- But, no, you have my thoughts backwards - Villanova had more talent that us, they were the better team --- Maine did not, they came to play and beat us that day ---

I was responding to T-Dog who essentially summed up exactly what the main problems were post-AE... at least in my opinion.

As for Villanova having less talent, I cannot be convinced otherwise. DJ Smith, Brian Quick, Jeremy Kimbrough, Travaris Cadet all have logged NFL time and played in that dreadful game. The best player for Villanova that day now plays baseball.

So, I stand by my original statement. Villanova had a better TEAM, we had players with more talent.

[WVAPPeer]

APPARJ wrote:
"But you're right. We had more talent than Villanova and got curb stomped by way of coaching and execution at The Rock."

Don't know if you were referring to my comments or not --- But, no, you have my thoughts backwards - Villanova had more talent that us, they were the better team --- Maine did not, they came to play and beat us that day ---

I was responding to T-Dog who essentially summed up exactly what the main problems were post-AE... at least in my opinion.

As for Villanova having less talent, I cannot be convinced otherwise. DJ Smith, Brian Quick, Jeremy Kimbrough, Travaris Cadet all have logged NFL time and played in that dreadful game. The best player for Villanova that day now plays baseball.

So, I stand by my original statement. Villanova had a better TEAM, we had players with more talent.

Yeah but he was the best FCS player in the country that year and he killed us and definitely would have been drafted if he had not signed with the Cubs - I believe one of their OL was drafted in the 2nd round and others played in the NFL - I say they were the better team because they were defending National Champions with a senior laden team - they had had major injuries through-out the season but got everyone back for our game ---

[AppRy]

In my opinion, Satterfield needs to hire an offensive coordinator that he can trust. Apparently the dual coordinator route didn't work, and he is now calling the plays himself.
1) that is probably the trouble getting plays called quickly, since he isn't in the box he has to get the call from the box for defensive alignment and call the play.
2) as the head coach, you can't do everything. You must hire competent staff that you trust. If you don't want to relinquish the calling of plays, become the offensive coordinator and sit in the box.

I am going to rep you and agree 100%. I have been saying for a while that Satt needs to go back to the booth not because I think he is a bad head coach but because I think who ever is in the booth evaluating things is not getting it done. Come on Cox up the middle on 95% of first downs. Even if you leave the rose colored glasses on that is bullshit.

I completely agree that Satt needs to find an OC and delegate. That's not even a knock on him. Even the best NFL coaches struggle with balancing HC duties and have gotten themselves in trouble with trying to call the plays while managing the rest of the game.

[AppRy]

I agree with everything said. One player I noticed the other night who brings life and intensity is Alex Gray. He had some off the field issues but looked to be a vocal leader on the sidelines when he was involved.

Hope he keeps his head on straight off the field.

I hadn't been paying that close attention to the Gray situation, but did notice he played Saturday night, was this his first game back?

Moonshine mentioned he played last week. I saw he traveled with the team to UM. I thought I saw him on the field there.

[Black Saturday]

APPARJ wrote:
"But you're right. We had more talent than Villanova and got curb stomped by way of coaching and execution at The Rock."

Don't know if you were referring to my comments or not --- But, no, you have my thoughts backwards - Villanova had more talent that us, they were the better team --- Maine did not, they came to play and beat us that day ---

I was responding to T-Dog who essentially summed up exactly what the main problems were post-AE... at least in my opinion.

As for Villanova having less talent, I cannot be convinced otherwise. DJ Smith, Brian Quick, Jeremy Kimbrough, Travaris Cadet all have logged NFL time and played in that dreadful game. The best player for Villanova that day now plays baseball.

So, I stand by my original statement. Villanova had a better TEAM, we had players with more talent.

One of you forgot about Mark LeGree, Daniel Kilgore, DeAndre Pressley, and Jabari Fletcher all of whom were ALL-AMERICANS on the APP roster that year and logged time in the NFL or are still there, not to mention Sam Martin.

APP had the most talent in the FCS for about 5-6 years running.

[JTApps1]

I agree with everything said. One player I noticed the other night who brings life and intensity is Alex Gray. He had some off the field issues but looked to be a vocal leader on the sidelines when he was involved.

Hope he keeps his head on straight off the field.

I hadn't been paying that close attention to the Gray situation, but did notice he played Saturday night, was this his first game back?

Moonshine mentioned he played last week. I saw he traveled with the team to UM. I thought I saw him on the field there.

Alex has played in every game this year either on special teams or at safety.

[hAPPy4APP]

I don;t think we're as far down talentwise as some suggest. We had a bad day in Michigan, a game we were suppose to lose anyway. We did everything but win at Southern Miss. We had our opportunities at Georgia Southern. We had opportunties against USA but couldn't deliver and got burned deep.
If we were that far off talentwise, we wouldn't have had these opportunities.
I absolutely agree that you don't lose a Jerry Moore, a Shaun Elliott and a Mark Spear wihout it go unnoticed.
The only way to mitigate that is to do what Georgia Southern did and get a successful head coach with experience. Its one thing to be an Ed McMhan, but quite another to be a Johnny Carson.
Why would we entrust a program that was the envy of FCS and many FBS programs to rookie coaches? It makes no sense to me, but obviously it did to CC and many on this board.
As for Villanova, we did have a lot of talent at skill positions, but so did they, and as I recall we lost the battle at the line of scrimmage.
As for as App players in the NFL, that should be a plus for recruiting players. Saterfield and company have had two years now to use that as a tool and to get the talent they have ready on game day.

[EastHallApp]

The only way to mitigate that is to do what Georgia Southern did and get a successful head coach with experience. Its one thing to be an Ed McMhan, but quite another to be a Johnny Carson.
Why would we entrust a program that was the envy of FCS and many FBS programs to rookie coaches? It makes no sense to me, but obviously it did to CC and many on this board.

Oklahoma hired a rookie coach in Bob Stoops.

Florida State hired a rookie coach in Jimbo Fisher.

Oregon hired a rookie coach in Chip Kelly, then another one in Mark Helfrich.

Boise State hired a rookie coach in Chris Petersen.

Louisville hired a rookie coach in Charlie Strong.

Clemson hired a rookie coach in Dabo Swinney.

Mississippi State hired a rookie coach in Dan Mullen.

Wisconsin hired a rookie coach in Bret Bielema.

Oklahoma State hired a rookie coach in Mike Gundy.

TCU hired a rookie coach in Gary Patterson.

No matter what route you choose, people praise it if it works and second-guess it if it doesn't, or if they think it won't. If we had gone the route Georgia Southern did and hired an FCS coach, people would be asking why we didn't hire someone with FBS experience.

[AppState89]

We had opportunties against USA but couldn't deliver

I never saw an opportunity at all during the game except the two missed FGs for USA. I think they beat the pants off of us the entire game. We scored the last TD against USA's #2s. We looked like a high school going against a huge college football team.

[T-Dog]

In the early second quarter, the deep passes that were barely overthrown were sure touchdowns if they were thrown a yard less or to a receiver a split-second faster. Convert one or two of those and it possibly becomes a shootout. Plus the run game did open up after those passes. Plus, momentum is a hell of a drug.

To say App never had a chance in this game is nonsense.

[WVAPPeer]

We had opportunties against USA but couldn't deliver

I never saw an opportunity at all during the game except the two missed FGs for USA. I think they beat the pants off of us the entire game. We scored the last TD against USA's #2s. We looked like a high school going against a huge college football team.

As mentioned, the overthrown deep balls - the only time I felt like there was an opportunity was just before half 20-7 and we got the ball back with a chance to make it close at half - we didn't and that is that ---

[App74]

In my opinion, Satterfield needs to hire an offensive coordinator that he can trust. Apparently the dual coordinator route didn't work, and he is now calling the plays himself.
1) that is probably the trouble getting plays called quickly, since he isn't in the box he has to get the call from the box for defensive alignment and call the play.
2) as the head coach, you can't do everything. You must hire competent staff that you trust. If you don't want to relinquish the calling of plays, become the offensive coordinator and sit in the box.

I am going to rep you and agree 100%. I have been saying for a while that Satt needs to go back to the booth not because I think he is a bad head coach but because I think who ever is in the booth evaluating things is not getting it done. Come on Cox up the middle on 95% of first downs. Even if you leave the rose colored glasses on that is bullshit.

The Head Coach has to be on the sidelines unless due to injury or health

I strongly agree the head coach needs to be on the sideline with team. Concerns have been voiced on Satt's lack of emotion. How can he be involved in any way if he is constantly processing play calling?

If Satt feels he is currently the best option at play calling, the off season will require a staff adjustment IMO. I do believe a competent OC will be required for us to be competitive in FBS. And for all the budget analysts out there, the business world operates like this: Productive employees are investments; non-productive employees are expenses. A major part of Satt's job is assessing which members of his staff are in the investment group.

Scott Satterfield continues to have my support. For me, this season gives new meaning to the phrase, "No pain, no gain". Right now I'm feeling the pain but my expectations are for gain.

[TheMoody1]

I think it is a rule that the head coach has tp be on the sideline.

[huskie3]

Overthrown balls. I see it differently, they were under ran routes. As long as those balls were in the air the receivers should have able to run under them. Turn on the jets!

[mtnjax]

Overthrown balls. I see it differently, they were under ran routes. As long as those balls were in the air the receivers should have able to run under them. Turn on the jets!

Their jets were on. Stepp had already said we don't have as much speed add WR have had

[Rekdiver]

APPARJ wrote:
"But you're right. We had more talent than Villanova and got curb stomped by way of coaching and execution at The Rock."

Don't know if you were referring to my comments or not --- But, no, you have my thoughts backwards - Villanova had more talent that us, they were the better team --- Maine did not, they came to play and beat us that day ---

I was responding to T-Dog who essentially summed up exactly what the main problems were post-AE... at least in my opinion.

As for Villanova having less talent, I cannot be convinced otherwise. DJ Smith, Brian Quick, Jeremy Kimbrough, Travaris Cadet all have logged NFL time and played in that dreadful game. The best player for Villanova that day now plays baseball.



So, I stand by my original statement. Villanova had a better TEAM, we had players with more talent.

One of you forgot about Mark LeGree, Daniel Kilgore, DeAndre Pressley, and Jabari Fletcher all of whom were ALL-AMERICANS on the APP roster that year and logged time in the NFL or are still there, not to mention Sam Martin.

APP had the most talent in the FCS for about 5-6 years running.

We had the best SKILL players in those two games and got bullied on the Offensive and Defensive lines. The philosophy was smaller quicker linemen. The problem that are larger quicker linemen now. And when you choose to wait until the season is over to begin recruiting and play golf all the offseason you end up with 8-4 teams.

[NewApp]

APPARJ wrote:
"But you're right. We had more talent than Villanova and got curb stomped by way of coaching and execution at The Rock."

Don't know if you were referring to my comments or not --- But, no, you have my thoughts backwards - Villanova had more talent that us, they were the better team --- Maine did not, they came to play and beat us that day ---

I was responding to T-Dog who essentially summed up exactly what the main problems were post-AE... at least in my opinion.

As for Villanova having less talent, I cannot be convinced otherwise. DJ Smith, Brian Quick, Jeremy Kimbrough, Travaris Cadet all have logged NFL time and played in that dreadful game. The best player for Villanova that day now plays baseball.



So, I stand by my original statement. Villanova had a better TEAM, we had players with more talent.

One of you forgot about Mark LeGree, Daniel Kilgore, DeAndre Pressley, and Jabari Fletcher all of whom were ALL-AMERICANS on the APP roster that year and logged time in the NFL or are still there, not to mention Sam Martin.

APP had the most talent in the FCS for about 5-6 years running.

We had the best SKILL players in those two games and got bullied on the Offensive and Defensive lines. The philosophy was smaller quicker linemen. The problem that are larger quicker linemen now. And when you choose to wait until the season is over to begin recruiting and play golf all the offseason you end up with 8-4 teams.

It would have been nice to have had an 8-4 season last year or one this year. Maybe Coach Satterfield should play more golf.

[EastHallApp]

Overthrown balls. I see it differently, they were under ran routes. As long as those balls were in the air the receivers should have able to run under them. Turn on the jets!

Their jets were on. Stepp had already said we don't have as much speed add WR have had

This is true. Although I think one of the overthrows was intended for Sumler.

Nonetheless, for all the harping on size (including the unfortunate caption under the pic of McElfresh in TDog's recent article), speed at WR is where we're really lacking IMO. Outside of the Campbell game, we have only one pass play of longer than 30 yards all season (and that was to Barbour, who's out now).

[t4pizza]

The only way to mitigate that is to do what Georgia Southern did and get a successful head coach with experience. Its one thing to be an Ed McMhan, but quite another to be a Johnny Carson.
Why would we entrust a program that was the envy of FCS and many FBS programs to rookie coaches? It makes no sense to me, but obviously it did to CC and many on this board.

Oklahoma hired a rookie coach in Bob Stoops.

Florida State hired a rookie coach in Jimbo Fisher.

Oregon hired a rookie coach in Chip Kelly, then another one in Mark Helfrich.

Boise State hired a rookie coach in Chris Petersen.

Louisville hired a rookie coach in Charlie Strong.

Clemson hired a rookie coach in Dabo Swinney.

Mississippi State hired a rookie coach in Dan Mullen.

Wisconsin hired a rookie coach in Bret Bielema.

Oklahoma State hired a rookie coach in Mike Gundy.

TCU hired a rookie coach in Gary Patterson.

No matter what route you choose, people praise it if it works and second-guess it if it doesn't, or if they think it won't. If we had gone the route Georgia Southern did and hired an FCS coach, people would be asking why we didn't hire someone with FBS experience.

Those are all good examples of successful rookie coaches, of course I think all had significant coaching experience at big time FBS programs, but your point is clear. I wonder, how many of those guys went 5-12 through their first 1 1/2 seasons? And even more important, how many of their teams lacked improvement from week to week? My guess is none to the first question and I know its none to the second question. It isn't SS's lack of experience that is the problem, it's his lack of preparing the team to play thus far. I really hope he learns quickly and turns it around because right now the product on the field is not a quality product and that is SS job and his alone.