Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

[AppSt94]

Football Only

[AppSt94]

Yosef Club

[Stonewall]

So now that this information is out , I can say that we have men working 7 days a week for basically the privilege of rebuilding something great.

[AppSt94]

So now that this information is out , I can say that we have men working 7 days a week for basically the privilege of rebuilding something great.

Loggains was in the office yesterday. Dude is working hard.

[AppinVA]

How do some of these folks afford to live in Boone?


I can probably scratch through the “in Boone” part.

[AppStFan1]

Trimming the fat would imply that one has fat to trim.

All the power programs do and even we could cut some positions. We did just fine before 2015 and did not have near the amount of jobs as we do now. Our problem is we have a bloated department in terms of numbers and because of that we don't pay enough. I am sure we could cut enough positions to give everyone remaining a little bit of a raise and still save 500k or so in the athletic department.

So, what positions should be cut and what other position should take on the added responsibility?
We are not in 2015 anymore and we do not need to go back to 2015.

I would rather pay one person 150k that might be asked to do a few more duties but get a better quality and more well rounded employee than pay 60k to 4-5 people right now. We lose out on a lot of good people because we pay awful. I don't want to go back to 2015 but there is some bloat.

Our SID has 6 people and we could work with 4. SEC teams have departments bigger than us but they are wasting money. Do we really need 5 assistant coaches in basketball? I think we could work with 3-4. Women's basketball does not need 6 total coaches. 3-4 would be fine. Football is bloated a little bit. We don't need an assistant secondary coach. We have multiple assistant directors in areas when we just need one.

I would love to see a complete list of all the duties of everyone on our staff directory page. I'm sure if we did an audit we could see that we could cut 10-15 positions in the athletics department and I am sure we have bloat in academics as well.

If you don’t have a list of duties, what are you basing your recommendations on? How do you come up with the staff reductions and cost savings?

Do you have a list of duties so you can defend every role? My whole point is that we have people on here complaining about lack of money but I don't get why complain if we can't do anything about it. I thought maybe someone would have ideas or prove with fact why we need all these roles and what we lack that we need to expand the budget? I do think we need to pay more to certain roles to be competitive and I will admit I am willing to go bare bones in other sports just to go all in on football and basketball because they are the real revenue sports.

Serious question, does anyone on here want to move back down to FCS so we aren't going to be a 5-8 win program every year like some on here think? I am not an idealist who believes we should win 10+ every year but I believe we can still have success like that at times. If I remember correctly we beat A&M and Michigan before and they had like 10X our budget. Money does not make everything better all the time.

[AppStFan1]

So now that this information is out , I can say that we have men working 7 days a week for basically the privilege of rebuilding something great.

That is what it takes to win. You can't take 100 vacation days a year if you are a coach, scout, recruiter, player, etc. and be great. It is not a 9-5 M-F job for them and you know that when you get into it. It is why less than 1% of those who want to do those things actually do them and do them at a high level. Fans on here can walk away and only pay attention on game days but players and staff have to put in the work. Don't know if you remember the name Kevin Weidl who worked for ESPN. He got hired by a NFL team because of his brothers being in the NFL and I remember one of his colleagues from ESPN saying one time how difficult the transition was because he worked like 5x harder with a team than he did doing the same thing for ESPN.

For the first time in a long time we have a head coach taking over a huge rebuild and I appreciate the sacrifice Loggains and his staff are making to rebuild us into something greta.

[AppSt94]

So now that this information is out , I can say that we have men working 7 days a week for basically the privilege of rebuilding something great.

That is what it takes to win. You can't take 100 vacation days a year if you are a coach, scout, recruiter, player, etc. and be great. It is not a 9-5 M-F job for them and you know that when you get into it. It is why less than 1% of those who want to do those things actually do them and do them at a high level. Fans on here can walk away and only pay attention on game days but players and staff have to put in the work. Don't know if you remember the name Kevin Weidl who worked for ESPN. He got hired by a NFL team because of his brothers being in the NFL and I remember one of his colleagues from ESPN saying one time how difficult the transition was because he worked like 5x harder with a team than he did doing the same thing for ESPN.

For the first time in a long time we have a head coach taking over a huge rebuild and I appreciate the sacrifice Loggains and his staff are making to rebuild us into something greta.

This is easy to say sitting behind a keyboard with no impact to one’s life. Are you suggesting that we have had folks that take 100 days of vacation and only work 9-5? Do you have proof to back that up?

[BambooRdApp]

So now that this information is out , I can say that we have men working 7 days a week for basically the privilege of rebuilding something great.

That is what it takes to win. You can't take 100 vacation days a year if you are a coach, scout, recruiter, player, etc. and be great. It is not a 9-5 M-F job for them and you know that when you get into it. It is why less than 1% of those who want to do those things actually do them and do them at a high level. Fans on here can walk away and only pay attention on game days but players and staff have to put in the work. Don't know if you remember the name Kevin Weidl who worked for ESPN. He got hired by a NFL team because of his brothers being in the NFL and I remember one of his colleagues from ESPN saying one time how difficult the transition was because he worked like 5x harder with a team than he did doing the same thing for ESPN.

For the first time in a long time we have a head coach taking over a huge rebuild and I appreciate the sacrifice Loggains and his staff are making to rebuild us into something greta.

This is easy to say sitting behind a keyboard with no impact to one’s life. Are you suggesting that we have had folks that take 100 days of vacation and only work 9-5? Do you have proof to back that up?

So, now we have went from we need to cut staff as we have bloat and they can take on additional responsibilities (do not need a certain amount of assistant coaches in various sports)...to now they need to work 100 hours just to do the job they were hired for...make it make sense

[AppSt94]

So now that this information is out , I can say that we have men working 7 days a week for basically the privilege of rebuilding something great.

That is what it takes to win. You can't take 100 vacation days a year if you are a coach, scout, recruiter, player, etc. and be great. It is not a 9-5 M-F job for them and you know that when you get into it. It is why less than 1% of those who want to do those things actually do them and do them at a high level. Fans on here can walk away and only pay attention on game days but players and staff have to put in the work. Don't know if you remember the name Kevin Weidl who worked for ESPN. He got hired by a NFL team because of his brothers being in the NFL and I remember one of his colleagues from ESPN saying one time how difficult the transition was because he worked like 5x harder with a team than he did doing the same thing for ESPN.

For the first time in a long time we have a head coach taking over a huge rebuild and I appreciate the sacrifice Loggains and his staff are making to rebuild us into something greta.

This is easy to say sitting behind a keyboard with no impact to one’s life. Are you suggesting that we have had folks that take 100 days of vacation and only work 9-5? Do you have proof to back that up?

So, now we have went from we need to cut staff as we have bloat and they can take on additional responsibilities (do not need a certain amount of assistant coaches in various sports)...to now they need to work 100 hours just to do the job they were hired for...make it make sense

I think the real question that we should be asking is what type of toe shoes one needs to make that kind of 180.

[Stonewall]

“The work ethic is noticeably elevated”. That is from inside the building.

[AppStFan1]

So now that this information is out , I can say that we have men working 7 days a week for basically the privilege of rebuilding something great.

That is what it takes to win. You can't take 100 vacation days a year if you are a coach, scout, recruiter, player, etc. and be great. It is not a 9-5 M-F job for them and you know that when you get into it. It is why less than 1% of those who want to do those things actually do them and do them at a high level. Fans on here can walk away and only pay attention on game days but players and staff have to put in the work. Don't know if you remember the name Kevin Weidl who worked for ESPN. He got hired by a NFL team because of his brothers being in the NFL and I remember one of his colleagues from ESPN saying one time how difficult the transition was because he worked like 5x harder with a team than he did doing the same thing for ESPN.

For the first time in a long time we have a head coach taking over a huge rebuild and I appreciate the sacrifice Loggains and his staff are making to rebuild us into something greta.

This is easy to say sitting behind a keyboard with no impact to one’s life. Are you suggesting that we have had folks that take 100 days of vacation and only work 9-5? Do you have proof to back that up?

I did not say that we have people that did that. I am just saying in general in this profession you can't just go home by 5pm every day and can't completely shut off from work the entire weekend and when you get home. My suggestion is that you got to work hard because we had people who were not grinders in the previous staff. Shawn was being taken advantage of and I don't see that happening with Loggains.

[AppStFan1]

So now that this information is out , I can say that we have men working 7 days a week for basically the privilege of rebuilding something great.

That is what it takes to win. You can't take 100 vacation days a year if you are a coach, scout, recruiter, player, etc. and be great. It is not a 9-5 M-F job for them and you know that when you get into it. It is why less than 1% of those who want to do those things actually do them and do them at a high level. Fans on here can walk away and only pay attention on game days but players and staff have to put in the work. Don't know if you remember the name Kevin Weidl who worked for ESPN. He got hired by a NFL team because of his brothers being in the NFL and I remember one of his colleagues from ESPN saying one time how difficult the transition was because he worked like 5x harder with a team than he did doing the same thing for ESPN.

For the first time in a long time we have a head coach taking over a huge rebuild and I appreciate the sacrifice Loggains and his staff are making to rebuild us into something greta.

This is easy to say sitting behind a keyboard with no impact to one’s life. Are you suggesting that we have had folks that take 100 days of vacation and only work 9-5? Do you have proof to back that up?

So, now we have went from we need to cut staff as we have bloat and they can take on additional responsibilities (do not need a certain amount of assistant coaches in various sports)...to now they need to work 100 hours just to do the job they were hired for...make it make sense

I was throwing out suggestions to save money because a couple of you keep harping on the fact we are so tight with money. I'm still waiting on some folks to tell us ideas of how we can raise more money instead of complaining. In the football world many people put in 80+ hours a week. That is no joke. Putting in a 12 hour day is not unheard of in the sports world.

[AppStFan1]

“The work ethic is noticeably elevated”. That is from inside the building.

That is the third time I have heard this and I love it. Loggains is winning the off-season. He is going after a bigger recruiting class to reverse the bad trend of smaller classes, staff is working harder, they are selling the program to recruits better, etc. If they are attracting the right players and make the right calls on game day then we should see improvement. Fingers are crossed!

[bcoach]

This information tells me three things
1. I can't afford to work there
2. We are very, very lucky that there are those that will
3. There is a glaring mistake/shortfall in the Yosef section

[BambooRdApp]

So now that this information is out , I can say that we have men working 7 days a week for basically the privilege of rebuilding something great.

That is what it takes to win. You can't take 100 vacation days a year if you are a coach, scout, recruiter, player, etc. and be great. It is not a 9-5 M-F job for them and you know that when you get into it. It is why less than 1% of those who want to do those things actually do them and do them at a high level. Fans on here can walk away and only pay attention on game days but players and staff have to put in the work. Don't know if you remember the name Kevin Weidl who worked for ESPN. He got hired by a NFL team because of his brothers being in the NFL and I remember one of his colleagues from ESPN saying one time how difficult the transition was because he worked like 5x harder with a team than he did doing the same thing for ESPN.

For the first time in a long time we have a head coach taking over a huge rebuild and I appreciate the sacrifice Loggains and his staff are making to rebuild us into something greta.

This is easy to say sitting behind a keyboard with no impact to one’s life. Are you suggesting that we have had folks that take 100 days of vacation and only work 9-5? Do you have proof to back that up?

So, now we have went from we need to cut staff as we have bloat and they can take on additional responsibilities (do not need a certain amount of assistant coaches in various sports)...to now they need to work 100 hours just to do the job they were hired for...make it make sense

I was throwing out suggestions to save money because a couple of you keep harping on the fact we are so tight with money. I'm still waiting on some folks to tell us ideas of how we can raise more money instead of complaining. In the football world many people put in 80+ hours a week. That is no joke. Putting in a 12 hour day is not unheard of in the sports world.

Cutting actual coaches.. great suggestions...

[bcoach]

All the power programs do and even we could cut some positions. We did just fine before 2015 and did not have near the amount of jobs as we do now. Our problem is we have a bloated department in terms of numbers and because of that we don't pay enough. I am sure we could cut enough positions to give everyone remaining a little bit of a raise and still save 500k or so in the athletic department.

So, what positions should be cut and what other position should take on the added responsibility?
We are not in 2015 anymore and we do not need to go back to 2015.

I would rather pay one person 150k that might be asked to do a few more duties but get a better quality and more well rounded employee than pay 60k to 4-5 people right now. We lose out on a lot of good people because we pay awful. I don't want to go back to 2015 but there is some bloat.

Our SID has 6 people and we could work with 4. SEC teams have departments bigger than us but they are wasting money. Do we really need 5 assistant coaches in basketball? I think we could work with 3-4. Women's basketball does not need 6 total coaches. 3-4 would be fine. Football is bloated a little bit. We don't need an assistant secondary coach. We have multiple assistant directors in areas when we just need one.

I would love to see a complete list of all the duties of everyone on our staff directory page. I'm sure if we did an audit we could see that we could cut 10-15 positions in the athletics department and I am sure we have bloat in academics as well.

If you don’t have a list of duties, what are you basing your recommendations on? How do you come up with the staff reductions and cost savings?

Do you have a list of duties so you can defend every role? My whole point is that we have people on here complaining about lack of money but I don't get why complain if we can't do anything about it. I thought maybe someone would have ideas or prove with fact why we need all these roles and what we lack that we need to expand the budget? I do think we need to pay more to certain roles to be competitive and I will admit I am willing to go bare bones in other sports just to go all in on football and basketball because they are the real revenue sports.

Serious question, does anyone on here want to move back down to FCS so we aren't going to be a 5-8 win program every year like some on here think? I am not an idealist who believes we should win 10+ every year but I believe we can still have success like that at times. If I remember correctly we beat A&M and Michigan before and they had like 10X our budget. Money does not make everything better all the time.

That is deflection and didn't work. I don't need a list to defend anything. You were the one making the claim with nothing to back it up. I was not making a claim. I was just asking where yours came from.

[ASUFan4863]

The past staff was lazy in more areas than recruiting. That doesn’t mean they didn’t put in a lot of time. I am appreciative of that time but it was not spent in the best possible manner. Loggains is running an efficient, hard-working but also high producing tight ship.

[AppStFan1]

That is what it takes to win. You can't take 100 vacation days a year if you are a coach, scout, recruiter, player, etc. and be great. It is not a 9-5 M-F job for them and you know that when you get into it. It is why less than 1% of those who want to do those things actually do them and do them at a high level. Fans on here can walk away and only pay attention on game days but players and staff have to put in the work. Don't know if you remember the name Kevin Weidl who worked for ESPN. He got hired by a NFL team because of his brothers being in the NFL and I remember one of his colleagues from ESPN saying one time how difficult the transition was because he worked like 5x harder with a team than he did doing the same thing for ESPN.

For the first time in a long time we have a head coach taking over a huge rebuild and I appreciate the sacrifice Loggains and his staff are making to rebuild us into something greta.

This is easy to say sitting behind a keyboard with no impact to one’s life. Are you suggesting that we have had folks that take 100 days of vacation and only work 9-5? Do you have proof to back that up?

So, now we have went from we need to cut staff as we have bloat and they can take on additional responsibilities (do not need a certain amount of assistant coaches in various sports)...to now they need to work 100 hours just to do the job they were hired for...make it make sense

I was throwing out suggestions to save money because a couple of you keep harping on the fact we are so tight with money. I'm still waiting on some folks to tell us ideas of how we can raise more money instead of complaining. In the football world many people put in 80+ hours a week. That is no joke. Putting in a 12 hour day is not unheard of in the sports world.

Cutting actual coaches.. great suggestions...

I would prefer we look at expenses and support staff before that but I would say look at secondary sport coaches and expenses if we are so broke. I am still looking for a suggestion. It is easy to criticize something but harder to come up with something better.

[AppStFan1]

So, what positions should be cut and what other position should take on the added responsibility?
We are not in 2015 anymore and we do not need to go back to 2015.

I would rather pay one person 150k that might be asked to do a few more duties but get a better quality and more well rounded employee than pay 60k to 4-5 people right now. We lose out on a lot of good people because we pay awful. I don't want to go back to 2015 but there is some bloat.

Our SID has 6 people and we could work with 4. SEC teams have departments bigger than us but they are wasting money. Do we really need 5 assistant coaches in basketball? I think we could work with 3-4. Women's basketball does not need 6 total coaches. 3-4 would be fine. Football is bloated a little bit. We don't need an assistant secondary coach. We have multiple assistant directors in areas when we just need one.

I would love to see a complete list of all the duties of everyone on our staff directory page. I'm sure if we did an audit we could see that we could cut 10-15 positions in the athletics department and I am sure we have bloat in academics as well.

If you don’t have a list of duties, what are you basing your recommendations on? How do you come up with the staff reductions and cost savings?

Do you have a list of duties so you can defend every role? My whole point is that we have people on here complaining about lack of money but I don't get why complain if we can't do anything about it. I thought maybe someone would have ideas or prove with fact why we need all these roles and what we lack that we need to expand the budget? I do think we need to pay more to certain roles to be competitive and I will admit I am willing to go bare bones in other sports just to go all in on football and basketball because they are the real revenue sports.

Serious question, does anyone on here want to move back down to FCS so we aren't going to be a 5-8 win program every year like some on here think? I am not an idealist who believes we should win 10+ every year but I believe we can still have success like that at times. If I remember correctly we beat A&M and Michigan before and they had like 10X our budget. Money does not make everything better all the time.

That is deflection and didn't work. I don't need a list to defend anything. You were the one making the claim with nothing to back it up. I was not making a claim. I was just asking where yours came from.

I looked at staffs of FCS and D2 schools and they got smaller support staffs and coaching staffs than we do. They are managing with a lot less money. I am just saying if we are going to complain about money then give me an idea.