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Re: Happy Fall Camp Eve!

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:31 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
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You are missing the point. It’s not about only having 7 quality guys. 7 is the magic number that you work into a rotation. All of the guys listed above can play. It doesn’t mean that they are going to fit into the primary rotation. Nor does it mean that they are misses. You have to maximize reps with a limited group to establish cohesion. You have a starting 5 and sprinkle a couple of guys into the rotation that don’t disrupt the flow. If one of the starters goes down, then you adjust your five and add another rotational piece into the set. The guy that is #2 at a certain spot isn’t a given to be next man up.

And the “7” isn’t my number. That came from a decision-maker.
I thought you were saying 7-8 that would be good enough and I think you are thinking I am saying we should have 10 who play every single week. I am hoping we have 9-10 who are able to play every week if we needed to put them out there.

A group definitely needs reps to get chemistry but I hope we are in a spot to wear people down with depth up front. If a team has 2-3 deep on the DL and they keep subbing we will certainly need the ability to put fresh bodies out there who can play well enough in the second half of a game.

If some of these transfers don't play regularly I am going to assume that they are a bust because I would imagine a player leaves a P4 for a G5 expecting to play. I will be curious to see if any of these true freshmen are ready to get on the field this year.
I wouldn’t make any assumptions as to why a guy left his former school. Every situation is different. Burgess (is still a RS Freshman and raw). Langlo was out of football last year. Dewerk graduated and was likely asked to move on to free up a spot, (speculation on my part). Likely the same with Schrader (again, speculation). Either way, “moving down” isn't a guarantee. Some of the moves made are to push guys. You practice and prepare differently when the threat of losing your job exists. That was evident in Spring ball.

Bottom line is that you aren’t going to see 10-12 guys getting reps along the OL.
I said I hope we have 9-10 guys who are able to play and did not say I expect 10 to play, or even 12. I do expect to see a lot of guys on the field against ETSU but it won't be that way the rest of the year. We have all been around long enough to know that 12 won't play every week. Last year we typically played 5-6 on average and played 7-8 sometimes but they were usually only a few offensive snaps. We played 6 OL against JMU and Troy for example. We played 7 in the bowl game but 1 of them only played 4 snaps on offense.

Center is going to be interesting to watch here. Remember when I asked that question when someone posted about the projected starting lineup right after the season and many, including you, thought we brought in Marotta because we could not expect Sweatt to start since he is young and coming off injury? It was a fair guess but it sounds like Sweatt might start. We will find out for sure in a few weeks.

I know Langlo and some others are a special situation so maybe they don't expect to start but I would imagine they are looking to get on the field some.

I would like to see the exact numbers on this but I have noticed several players go from P4 to G5 and after 1-2 years transfer again so they were clearly using the G5 as a chance to increase their stock and they did not want to wait. Wonder if any of these are hoping to do that or plan to stay?
Like I said. Most of them can play. 5 of them will be 1A (starters) a couple of them will be 1B (rotation guys). The rest will be 1C or Scout Team.

I wouldn’t pencil Sweatt or Marotta into that center slot just yet. Yes, I probably did project that after the season. But neither were #1 coming out of spring ball. Murphy had moved to center for the upcoming year.
My hope is that we have 4-5 guys, beyond the starters, who can play in the rotation if we need it. We always have the bodies but I am saying I hope we have a few guys who could hold up and be okay if we have injuries.

What you said about the spring is why I feel like projecting starters right at the end of the season or in spring can be a waste of time unless we have 4-5 starters returning.

We clearly went after Marotta early so maybe someone who saw the spring can answer this. Did Marotta just underwhelm or was the plan when we signed him to have him backup Murphy at center?

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Re: Happy Fall Camp Eve!

Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:40 pm

“ We clearly went after Marotta early so maybe someone who saw the spring can answer this. Did Marotta just underwhelm or was the plan when we signed him to have him backup Murphy at center?”

It could be either, OR, it could be something completely different. He could have been brought in with the plan to play him at guard or to push Sweatt to improve. Like I said, not everyone that is being brought in is being brought in to take a starting spot.

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Re: Happy Fall Camp Eve!

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:56 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
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“ We clearly went after Marotta early so maybe someone who saw the spring can answer this. Did Marotta just underwhelm or was the plan when we signed him to have him backup Murphy at center?”

It could be either, OR, it could be something completely different. He could have been brought in with the plan to play him at guard or to push Sweatt to improve. Like I said, not everyone that is being brought in is being brought in to take a starting spot.
They all can't start just based off numbers when you bring in 6 but I am hoping 2-3 are good enough to hammer down a starting spot for the experience but I also would love to see Samuel and Sweatt at least so we have some home grown guys who are in the lineup.

Clark would never answer that but it would be interesting to know the reasoning on why the move from Murphy if you got Sweatt and bring in Marotta.

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Re: Happy Fall Camp Eve!

Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:13 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:56 pm
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“ We clearly went after Marotta early so maybe someone who saw the spring can answer this. Did Marotta just underwhelm or was the plan when we signed him to have him backup Murphy at center?”

It could be either, OR, it could be something completely different. He could have been brought in with the plan to play him at guard or to push Sweatt to improve. Like I said, not everyone that is being brought in is being brought in to take a starting spot.
They all can't start just based off numbers when you bring in 6 but I am hoping 2-3 are good enough to hammer down a starting spot for the experience but I also would love to see Samuel and Sweatt at least so we have some home grown guys who are in the lineup.

Clark would never answer that but it would be interesting to know the reasoning on why the move from Murphy if you got Sweatt and bring in Marotta.
Understood. And it’s a fair question to ask about Murphy. Could have been the most trusted guy to make line calls given his experience. I don’t prescribe to the presumption that everything happens out of need to solve a shortcoming. Could have been a move to get Ramsey in the lineup and then you get instant starter experience on the field. Don’t really know. I imagine you could ask Clark and Cummings in a 1-on-1 scenario and get the rationale.

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Re: Happy Fall Camp Eve!

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:48 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:13 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:56 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:40 pm
“ We clearly went after Marotta early so maybe someone who saw the spring can answer this. Did Marotta just underwhelm or was the plan when we signed him to have him backup Murphy at center?”

It could be either, OR, it could be something completely different. He could have been brought in with the plan to play him at guard or to push Sweatt to improve. Like I said, not everyone that is being brought in is being brought in to take a starting spot.
They all can't start just based off numbers when you bring in 6 but I am hoping 2-3 are good enough to hammer down a starting spot for the experience but I also would love to see Samuel and Sweatt at least so we have some home grown guys who are in the lineup.

Clark would never answer that but it would be interesting to know the reasoning on why the move from Murphy if you got Sweatt and bring in Marotta.
Understood. And it’s a fair question to ask about Murphy. Could have been the most trusted guy to make line calls given his experience. I don’t prescribe to the presumption that everything happens out of need to solve a shortcoming. Could have been a move to get Ramsey in the lineup and then you get instant starter experience on the field. Don’t really know. I imagine you could ask Clark and Cummings in a 1-on-1 scenario and get the rationale.
I am sure it might be an enlightening answer. I say that because I know coaches have brought players in with a plan and it worked out but not the way they expected so you never know.

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Unread post by BambooRdApp » Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:16 pm

Coach Clark on the air today in the Triad.

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Unread post by AppWyo » Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:12 pm

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Coach Clark on the air today in the Triad.

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Fourth and Fun, River Boat Shawn!

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Unread post by BambooRdApp » Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:05 am

AppWyo wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:12 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:16 pm
Coach Clark on the air today in the Triad.

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Fourth and Fun, River Boat Shawn!
I will take a combination of 4 to 2 on 4th and 3 all day long with 2 moving to slot receiver
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:17 am

I don’t know if any of you heard it,or want to believe it, but Shawn said that State was on the schedule for 2028.

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:35 am

It doesn't take belief to read a schedule as people can hear it and see it. However it does take faith to assume they will honor the contract based upon their actions to date and the changes to the CFB landscape. Same for South Carolina who is on our home schedule in 2033.

I don't have faith either of those games happen until we reach the calendar year in which those games are scheduled.

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I don’t know if any of you heard it,or want to believe it, but Shawn said that State was on the schedule for 2028.
happy to be wrong but I'll wait until 2028

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Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:56 am

BallantyneApp wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:36 am
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I don’t know if any of you heard it,or want to believe it, but Shawn said that State was on the schedule for 2028.
happy to be wrong but I'll wait until 2028
Understood and agree. I’ll say this. We all know what is being said and we don’t know what’s not being said. If they do show up in 2028 then it was a masterful move by Gillin to get not 1, but 2 OOC home games for the back end of the 20’s.

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Unread post by AppWyo » Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:49 am

Saint3333 wrote:
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It doesn't take belief to read a schedule as people can hear it and see it. However it does take faith to assume they will honor the contract based upon their actions to date and the changes to the CFB landscape. Same for South Carolina who is on our home schedule in 2033.

I don't have faith either of those games happen until we reach the calendar year in which those games are scheduled.
I will not believe those games will be played until they are actually played, for example Wake and Wisconsin 2020.

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Unread post by AppStFan1 » Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:14 am

AppWyo wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:49 am
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:35 am
It doesn't take belief to read a schedule as people can hear it and see it. However it does take faith to assume they will honor the contract based upon their actions to date and the changes to the CFB landscape. Same for South Carolina who is on our home schedule in 2033.

I don't have faith either of those games happen until we reach the calendar year in which those games are scheduled.
I will not believe those games will be played until they are actually played, for example Wake and Wisconsin 2020.
Agreed. Some of us might not even be alive by that year anyway. It is just talk until the game actually happens. Not saying it won't happen but we will see.

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Unread post by AppGrad78 » Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:41 am

I can understand the skepticism. However, I’m optimistic the Wolfpack will play in Boone in 2028. Our athletic administrators are saying the new agreement will include a hefty multi-million dollar buyout, one N.C. State won’t be willing to pay.

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Unread post by AppStFan1 » Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:58 pm

AppGrad78 wrote:
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I can understand the skepticism. However, I’m optimistic the Wolfpack will play in Boone in 2028. Our athletic administrators are saying the new agreement will include a hefty multi-million dollar buyout, one N.C. State won’t be willing to pay.
I guess we will see. A lot can happen between now and then though.

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Re: Happy Fall Camp Eve!

Unread post by AppStMike201 » Tue Aug 06, 2024 1:02 pm

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My takeaways for practice:

1) Andrew Dewerk is a massive human being
2) Billy Wiles is the real deal
3) the OL will be fine once they figure out the rotation. The talent is there. The size is there. They need to gel into one. I expect them to get better as the season goes along, but Clemson is going to be a problem.
4) the freshmen looked like freshmen for the most part.
5) William Fowles is going to be good. He has that “it” factor about him.
6) Andrew Dewerk is a massive human being.
7) Joey and Kaedin are in sync already
8) the DL is big and fast
9) did I mention that Andrew Dewerk is a massive human being?
I was on campus 2 weeks ago for work and drove past Dewerk. You aren't kidding. He looks like Sasquatch.

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Unread post by T-Dog » Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:16 pm

Randon question. Is Santana Hopper suspended for ETSU because of his ejection for punching a dude late in the Cure Bowl?

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Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:52 pm

I think that he may be out for the first half only.

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