What are possible home on home series?

[NewApp]

I think there's Sun Belt bylaws that don't allow for a member school to play an FCS away game.

I don't know the present rules, but when we first moved up, according to some posts on this message board, an FBS team could not play an away game at an FCS ' home. My question is, could we play at a neutral site, and would we have a reason to?

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I think there's Sun Belt bylaws that don't allow for a member school to play an FCS away game.

Playing the what-if game here? Which SB team would be the first to do an FCS home and home if rule was removed from the bylaws.

[EastHallApp]

Taking off the App colored glasses, outside of regional G5’s, Who would be motivated to come to Boone for a Home and Home? We all love it, but what is the attraction for opposing coaches and ADs? It is a difficult place to win as the road team. It’s not a recruiting hot bed. Sure Charlotte is close by, but why not just play Charlotte and get the W. I have heard, from some very reliable sources that DG has made calls and has been told, “no thanks.” I don’t know who those ADs were and nor would I expect to be told specifics. I would like to know the reasons given. I would love to be proven wrong if it meant getting some marquee names to The Rock.

Well, in general more P5s have been willing to schedule H&H with G5s in recent years because buy games have gotten so expensive they've concluded it makes more financial sense to just give a return game. And we do offer a decently known brand, a relatively good traveling fan base and a good program that won't hurt your SoS.

I think you hit on a key point with the recruiting aspect. P5s have lined up to go play Georgia State and ODU - the latter in a smaller stadium than ours - because that's where the recruits are. Also those are easy places to get to and stay; as we know, Boone is neither.

[AppSt94]

Taking off the App colored glasses, outside of regional G5’s, Who would be motivated to come to Boone for a Home and Home? We all love it, but what is the attraction for opposing coaches and ADs? It is a difficult place to win as the road team. It’s not a recruiting hot bed. Sure Charlotte is close by, but why not just play Charlotte and get the W. I have heard, from some very reliable sources that DG has made calls and has been told, “no thanks.” I don’t know who those ADs were and nor would I expect to be told specifics. I would like to know the reasons given. I would love to be proven wrong if it meant getting some marquee names to The Rock.

Well, in general more P5s have been willing to schedule H&H with G5s in recent years because buy games have gotten so expensive they've concluded it makes more financial sense to just give a return game. And we do offer a decently known brand, a relatively good traveling fan base and a good program that won't hurt your SoS.

I think you hit on a key point with the recruiting aspect. P5s have lined up to go play Georgia State and ODU - the latter in a smaller stadium than ours - because that's where the recruits are. Also those are easy places to get to and stay; as we know, Boone is neither.

I agree with you on the P5 home and homes. The optics of the swarm of App fans at Williams Brice stadium should help us out.

It would be nice if we were able to get one of those marquee OOC games in KBS moved to an early October date. Leaf season could generate some interest in getting to a game for visiting team’s fans.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I think there's Sun Belt bylaws that don't allow for a member school to play an FCS away game.

I don't know the present rules, but when we first moved up, according to some posts on this message board, an FBS team could not play an away game at an FCS ' home. My question is, could we play at a neutral site, and would we have a reason to?

I can't imagine a realistic scenario where it would be beneficial financially. Why would a 3rd party like the Charlotte Sports Fdn (or some name like that) that is working on the ECU/App game want to work with an FCS school that is likely to draw fewer fans. I just don't see the numbers working. And no way it would work for App to rent a neutral site instead of playing in Boone.

[ah59396]

Taking off the App colored glasses, outside of regional G5’s, Who would be motivated to come to Boone for a Home and Home? We all love it, but what is the attraction for opposing coaches and ADs? It is a difficult place to win as the road team. It’s not a recruiting hot bed. Sure Charlotte is close by, but why not just play Charlotte and get the W. I have heard, from some very reliable sources that DG has made calls and has been told, “no thanks.” I don’t know who those ADs were and nor would I expect to be told specifics. I would like to know the reasons given. I would love to be proven wrong if it meant getting some marquee names to The Rock.

Well, in general more P5s have been willing to schedule H&H with G5s in recent years because buy games have gotten so expensive they've concluded it makes more financial sense to just give a return game. And we do offer a decently known brand, a relatively good traveling fan base and a good program that won't hurt your SoS.

I think you hit on a key point with the recruiting aspect. P5s have lined up to go play Georgia State and ODU - the latter in a smaller stadium than ours - because that's where the recruits are. Also those are easy places to get to and stay; as we know, Boone is neither.

I’m pretty stupid so you’ll have to forgive me here. But what exactly is the recruiting benefit of playing Ga State or in our case, say FIU?

I understand the rationale that they are talent hotbeds, but how long are the team and coaches in town for? 24-36 hours including sleep and the game? Are we inviting kids to come watch us play at FIU? I imagine our staff are down there anyways in the off-season recruiting, with actual free time to dedicate to them.

I’m not entirely convinced there’s as much a benefit to this as there maybe was prior to the internet.

[AppinVA]

I think there's Sun Belt bylaws that don't allow for a member school to play an FCS away game.

I don't know the present rules, but when we first moved up, according to some posts on this message board, an FBS team could not play an away game at an FCS ' home. My question is, could we play at a neutral site, and would we have a reason to?

I can't imagine a realistic scenario where it would be beneficial financially. Why would a 3rd party like the Charlotte Sports Fdn (or some name like that) that is working on the ECU/App game want to work with an FCS school that is likely to draw fewer fans. I just don't see the numbers working. And no way it would work for App to rent a neutral site instead of playing in Boone.

JMU played West Virginia at FedEx Field around 10 years ago, and Army played at Yale for a special one-off around that time, but I don’t think anything like it has happened since. Nor should it.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I think there's Sun Belt bylaws that don't allow for a member school to play an FCS away game.

I don't know the present rules, but when we first moved up, according to some posts on this message board, an FBS team could not play an away game at an FCS ' home. My question is, could we play at a neutral site, and would we have a reason to?

I can't imagine a realistic scenario where it would be beneficial financially. Why would a 3rd party like the Charlotte Sports Fdn (or some name like that) that is working on the ECU/App game want to work with an FCS school that is likely to draw fewer fans. I just don't see the numbers working. And no way it would work for App to rent a neutral site instead of playing in Boone.

JMU played West Virginia at FedEx Field around 10 years ago, and Army played at Yale for a special one-off around that time, but I don’t think anything like it has happened since. Nor should it.

JMU does draw very well as we all know and their campus is close to DC and I bet there are many JMU alumni in NoVa. A&T would be the closest example for NC in drawing a crowd at the FCS level.

[APPdiesel]

ah…

I think there’s a fallacy that the 36 hour touch point having a bigger impact than it actually does. I guess if you have another trip back to that region scheduled in the future you could tell a recruit he’d have a chance to play in front of his family and friends but it seems thin.

[EastHallApp]

Taking off the App colored glasses, outside of regional G5’s, Who would be motivated to come to Boone for a Home and Home? We all love it, but what is the attraction for opposing coaches and ADs? It is a difficult place to win as the road team. It’s not a recruiting hot bed. Sure Charlotte is close by, but why not just play Charlotte and get the W. I have heard, from some very reliable sources that DG has made calls and has been told, “no thanks.” I don’t know who those ADs were and nor would I expect to be told specifics. I would like to know the reasons given. I would love to be proven wrong if it meant getting some marquee names to The Rock.

Well, in general more P5s have been willing to schedule H&H with G5s in recent years because buy games have gotten so expensive they've concluded it makes more financial sense to just give a return game. And we do offer a decently known brand, a relatively good traveling fan base and a good program that won't hurt your SoS.

I think you hit on a key point with the recruiting aspect. P5s have lined up to go play Georgia State and ODU - the latter in a smaller stadium than ours - because that's where the recruits are. Also those are easy places to get to and stay; as we know, Boone is neither.

I agree with you on the P5 home and homes. The optics of the swarm of App fans at Williams Brice stadium should help us out.

It would be nice if we were able to get one of those marquee OOC games in KBS moved to an early October date. Leaf season could generate some interest in getting to a game for visiting team’s fans.

We don't seem to have any trouble packing the Rock for those, and I'd just as soon it be packed with our fans rather than the opponent's.

[EastHallApp]

ah…

I think there’s a fallacy that the 36 hour touch point having a bigger impact than it actually does. I guess if you have another trip back to that region scheduled in the future you could tell a recruit he’d have a chance to play in front of his family and friends but it seems thin.

I think that last point is probably the big draw. In theory I actually think it seems like a decent selling point - maybe not a deciding one, but if you're trying to beat out teams closer to home, it could get you over that hurdle.

How much it matters in reality, I have no idea. But clearly the people making schedules at some P5s feel it does.

[beav910]

I think there's Sun Belt bylaws that don't allow for a member school to play an FCS away game.

Playing the what-if game here? Which SB team would be the first to do an FCS home and home if rule was removed from the bylaws.

For me it'd probably be ULM

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I think there's Sun Belt bylaws that don't allow for a member school to play an FCS away game.

Playing the what-if game here? Which SB team would be the first to do an FCS home and home if rule was removed from the bylaws.

For me it'd probably be ULM

That would have been my first answer as well but they are trying to up their game and they know as well as the rest of the SB that their budget and performance on the field are near the bottom across most sports. They might hold off and let Texas State take the first plunge just out of spite.

Charlotte would be my guess in the CUSA, if only so they could play in a bigger stadium (I couldn't resist the low hanging fruit.)

[bigdaddyg]

First off I think a potential solution to the whole playoff deal is for every P5 to play 8 conference games then 2 other P5’s and 2 G5’s for their non-conference games. The G5’s would play 8 conference games then the 2 P5’s and 2 other G5 non-conference games. Nobody plays FCS except possibly for Spring games. Let the FCS teams get a smaller payday in the Spring P5 or even G5 Spring games. Allows for the fans to see more of an actual game and lets the FCS guys make some cash. I’d be fine with App only playing regional G5’s for our 2 non P5 non-conference games. Just do the home and home with Charlotte, ECU, Marshall, etc. No matter what those are sellouts at the Rock. While a H&H with BYU sounds cool it does nothing for our recruiting. If a schedule that includes ECU, Charlotte and 2 good P5’s isn’t enough to prop up our ranking then it just isn’t gonna work.

[AtlAppMan]

First off I think a potential solution to the whole playoff deal is for every P5 to play 8 conference games then 2 other P5’s and 2 G5’s for their non-conference games. The G5’s would play 8 conference games then the 2 P5’s and 2 other G5 non-conference games. Nobody plays FCS except possibly for Spring games. Let the FCS teams get a smaller payday in the Spring P5 or even G5 Spring games. Allows for the fans to see more of an actual game and lets the FCS guys make some cash. I’d be fine with App only playing regional G5’s for our 2 non P5 non-conference games. Just do the home and home with Charlotte, ECU, Marshall, etc. No matter what those are sellouts at the Rock. While a H&H with BYU sounds cool it does nothing for our recruiting. If a schedule that includes ECU, Charlotte and 2 good P5’s isn’t enough to prop up our ranking then it just isn’t gonna work.

Realistically, how many FBS schools will "pay" a FCS team for a spring game? I know there are some in the SEC/B1G but there aren't that many and they certainly are not going to pay nearly as much money as they would for a real fall game. It just doesn't seem like the business model is viable at scale. Also, what kind of prep would a FCS team be able to achieve in advance of that spring game? They are trying to get their own house in order at same time. I don't think that game would look very good/be fan appealing on the field either.

[AppSt94]

Taking off the App colored glasses, outside of regional G5’s, Who would be motivated to come to Boone for a Home and Home? We all love it, but what is the attraction for opposing coaches and ADs? It is a difficult place to win as the road team. It’s not a recruiting hot bed. Sure Charlotte is close by, but why not just play Charlotte and get the W. I have heard, from some very reliable sources that DG has made calls and has been told, “no thanks.” I don’t know who those ADs were and nor would I expect to be told specifics. I would like to know the reasons given. I would love to be proven wrong if it meant getting some marquee names to The Rock.

Well, in general more P5s have been willing to schedule H&H with G5s in recent years because buy games have gotten so expensive they've concluded it makes more financial sense to just give a return game. And we do offer a decently known brand, a relatively good traveling fan base and a good program that won't hurt your SoS.

I think you hit on a key point with the recruiting aspect. P5s have lined up to go play Georgia State and ODU - the latter in a smaller stadium than ours - because that's where the recruits are. Also those are easy places to get to and stay; as we know, Boone is neither.

I’m pretty stupid so you’ll have to forgive me here. But what exactly is the recruiting benefit of playing Ga State or in our case, say FIU?

I understand the rationale that they are talent hotbeds, but how long are the team and coaches in town for? 24-36 hours including sleep and the game? Are we inviting kids to come watch us play at FIU? I imagine our staff are down there anyways in the off-season recruiting, with actual free time to dedicate to them.

I’m not entirely convinced there’s as much a benefit to this as there maybe was prior to the internet.

Not stupid at all. But it gives both parties, (coaches and recruits) a chance to lay eyes on each other. If the team is at Ga State or FIU, some of the staff can easily break away from team functions and watch kids during high school games. Contact may be limited based on which staff members go, but a coach from a school being in the crowd creates buzz. I doubt that we would “invite” a kid to see us play, but a kid interested in App can come watch them play and get a vibe on the team. That same scenario can happen with teams coming to Boone, but you are talking about longer commutes for both sides. It’s just easier for everyone in densely populated areas.

[EastHallApp]

First off I think a potential solution to the whole playoff deal is for every P5 to play 8 conference games then 2 other P5’s and 2 G5’s for their non-conference games. The G5’s would play 8 conference games then the 2 P5’s and 2 other G5 non-conference games. Nobody plays FCS except possibly for Spring games. Let the FCS teams get a smaller payday in the Spring P5 or even G5 Spring games. Allows for the fans to see more of an actual game and lets the FCS guys make some cash. I’d be fine with App only playing regional G5’s for our 2 non P5 non-conference games. Just do the home and home with Charlotte, ECU, Marshall, etc. No matter what those are sellouts at the Rock. While a H&H with BYU sounds cool it does nothing for our recruiting. If a schedule that includes ECU, Charlotte and 2 good P5’s isn’t enough to prop up our ranking then it just isn’t gonna work.

It's a fine 12-game scheduling model, but what national entity is going to establish and enforce that level of uniformity for everyone nationwide?

As for FCS in the spring, I kind of doubt either side would have much interest in that. Fans might like to see more of an actual game, but most coaches don't want that, as evidence by the fact that most spring games have become more situational scrimmages than anything resembling a real game. Let alone playing against another team that would actually be motivated to compete hard and doesn't care if your players get injured.

[EastHallApp]

First off I think a potential solution to the whole playoff deal is for every P5 to play 8 conference games then 2 other P5’s and 2 G5’s for their non-conference games. The G5’s would play 8 conference games then the 2 P5’s and 2 other G5 non-conference games. Nobody plays FCS except possibly for Spring games. Let the FCS teams get a smaller payday in the Spring P5 or even G5 Spring games. Allows for the fans to see more of an actual game and lets the FCS guys make some cash. I’d be fine with App only playing regional G5’s for our 2 non P5 non-conference games. Just do the home and home with Charlotte, ECU, Marshall, etc. No matter what those are sellouts at the Rock. While a H&H with BYU sounds cool it does nothing for our recruiting. If a schedule that includes ECU, Charlotte and 2 good P5’s isn’t enough to prop up our ranking then it just isn’t gonna work.

Also I disagree that a H&H against someone like BYU wouldn't help recruiting. That's the sort of made for TV game that can actually garner some media coverage and a decent TV slot.

[AppSt94]

First off I think a potential solution to the whole playoff deal is for every P5 to play 8 conference games then 2 other P5’s and 2 G5’s for their non-conference games. The G5’s would play 8 conference games then the 2 P5’s and 2 other G5 non-conference games. Nobody plays FCS except possibly for Spring games. Let the FCS teams get a smaller payday in the Spring P5 or even G5 Spring games. Allows for the fans to see more of an actual game and lets the FCS guys make some cash. I’d be fine with App only playing regional G5’s for our 2 non P5 non-conference games. Just do the home and home with Charlotte, ECU, Marshall, etc. No matter what those are sellouts at the Rock. While a H&H with BYU sounds cool it does nothing for our recruiting. If a schedule that includes ECU, Charlotte and 2 good P5’s isn’t enough to prop up our ranking then it just isn’t gonna work.

Also I disagree that a H&H against someone like BYU wouldn't help recruiting. That's the sort of made for TV game that can actually garner some media coverage and a decent TV slot.

Agree about BYU. BYU is what I consider a niche opponent that could bring a decent contingent of fans. There is a decent population in NC that prescribe to the Mormon faith. Given the military presence in NC, I would put the service academies in the same category.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

First off I think a potential solution to the whole playoff deal is for every P5 to play 8 conference games then 2 other P5’s and 2 G5’s for their non-conference games. The G5’s would play 8 conference games then the 2 P5’s and 2 other G5 non-conference games. Nobody plays FCS except possibly for Spring games. Let the FCS teams get a smaller payday in the Spring P5 or even G5 Spring games. Allows for the fans to see more of an actual game and lets the FCS guys make some cash. I’d be fine with App only playing regional G5’s for our 2 non P5 non-conference games. Just do the home and home with Charlotte, ECU, Marshall, etc. No matter what those are sellouts at the Rock. While a H&H with BYU sounds cool it does nothing for our recruiting. If a schedule that includes ECU, Charlotte and 2 good P5’s isn’t enough to prop up our ranking then it just isn’t gonna work.

I like this except one of the OOC games should not require, but allow, for an FCS team. I don't have a problem with any team playing one game against a lower level. FBS can play one FCS. FCS can play one DII or NAIA. DII can play one or two DIII teams if needed.

That FBS-FCS game helps the FCS schools across the board I imagine for athletic funding which can impact basketball and other sports. Some of the "FCS" schools can and do compete in at a very high level in other sports. That makes all of NCAA DI more interesting.Part of the appeal of March Madness is the Cinderella stories and those are generally not the Dukes of the basketball world. For football there is a different level between FBS and FCS but outside of football I see the FCS schools as comrades in taking on the Prig 5 schools that want to lord over all of us their might and power (and prigishness.)

Besides the above I did not want App to be treated as something "less than" during our FCS days and I would feel a bit hypocritical about advocating for a plan that basically did just that now. That does not mean we have to bend over backwards to support an FCS school but one game a year or one game every other year is not all that bad and it does allow us to get some playing time for our non-starters and that can be beneficial in its own right.