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[EastHallApp]

To all my friends who believe P5s need to see him develop recruits I will say this: Dabo was a WR prior to HC. Muschamp was a DC. Mullen was an OC. I could go on and on, P5s don't exclusively bring in vetted prior HCs. Drinks resume is very good, very diverse and everywhere he has been has been really good offensively and consistently winning. There are a lot of schools at the bottom of the big conferences with money to burn; they might not get their first and second choice but they are going to pay someone. It could be Drink.

I don't believe he is leaving after this season but I wouldn't be surprised either if he did.

Dont consider those three guys as good comparisons to ED. Mullen was OC under Urban Myer for years and won at least one NC with him. Muschamp was under Saban and won a NC with him and had NFL experience. Dabo was promoted mid season when Bowden resigned and was one the top young recruiters in the nation. However I do agree P5s don't need to see his recruit developement because they are afraid someone else wil offer first. I also wouldnt be suprised either way. Coaches don't turn down that kind of life changing money when your young and have a family.

That's fair, I used some exceptions to the rule type guys. How about Coach O when he was hired by Ole Miss, and the always glorious Steve Sarkisian. I think those hires better illustrate my point. If you look at their resumes prior to their first P5 gig they are comparable to where Drink is now. Again we are in a brand new world and trying to apply rational logic to an increasingly irrational environment, while admirable is ultimately futile. To quote Thanos "I am inevitable. ".

Yeah I think there are pretty comparable examples to Drink, which have been cited before: Harsin, Malzahn, Freeze, Doeren, Frost, Meyer... off the top of my head.

[mountaineerman]

Strong out at USF.

[proasu89]

Can’t imagine Doeren will survive. Bet State wished they’d pulled the trigger last year and grabbed Scott.

[Stonewall]

Ron Rivera catching more heat after today’s debacle.

[yosef69]

Matt Luke out at ole miss. I'm feeling a little nervous, cant lie.

[BeauFoster]

Old Miss already has a target on the ground, and it doesn’t appear to be Drink (most think Kiffin).

If you get nervous about these things, might as well stay that way for about a month. In reality, there’s not squat we can do about it tonight, so settle in and enjoy the ride we’re currently on.

And donate to Yosef.

[ericsaid]

Matt Luke out at ole miss. I'm feeling a little nervous, cant lie.

Surprising. I thought that they had some respectable showings later in the year and that with some improvement on the defensive side they could possibly make a run on third place in the West.

Have a feeling Ole Miss and Arkansas will be chasing the LSU offensive style of play. They have no hope for the foreseeable future, however, as the CFP has simply cemented recruiting for top guys going between 6 schools.

[BeauFoster]

Old Miss already has a target on the ground, and it doesn’t appear to be Drink (most think Kiffin).

If you get nervous about these things, might as well stay that way for about a month. In reality, there’s not squat we can do about it tonight, so settle in and enjoy the ride we’re currently on.

And donate to Yosef.

Now ESPN reports that Kiffin may have been in Arkansas today as well. Ole Lane looking to get paid this off season.

[ericsaid]

Ron Rivera catching more heat after today’s debacle.

Not much you can do with two Pro Bowl defensive linemen out and one playing on one leg; especially when you run an odd front defense. Another issue is the lack of an outside linebacker in the traditional mold of a 3-4 guy. Running defense with guys the size of Haynes, Irvin, and Burns won't cut it in the NFL.

I'd imagine the switch to a 3-4 is permanent and may buy Rivera another year to implement it and get more quality depth.

Poor example really but I used to play EA Sports NCAA football and to shake things up I'd switch schemes in Dynasty mode every 5 seasons. Switching from a Base 4-3 to a 3-4, even in a video game, nearly always results in regression from the previous year. In year 2 and 3 when your recruits age and improve is when you see the results come in. Throw in injuries to any new guys you bring in immediately and it all goes downhill quick.

You also see it in Georgia Techs scheme change on offense this year.

I think Rivera is one of the best defensive coaches in the league and probably a Top 12 Head Coach. If Cam doesn't get hurt and injuries on the offensive and defensive lines don't pile up, you're looking at a different squad. Unless Tepper has someone in mind who is a surefire get (like a Lincoln Riley), I believe you stay the course.

[ericsaid]

Old Miss already has a target on the ground, and it doesn’t appear to be Drink (most think Kiffin).

If you get nervous about these things, might as well stay that way for about a month. In reality, there’s not squat we can do about it tonight, so settle in and enjoy the ride we’re currently on.

And donate to Yosef.

Now ESPN reports that Kiffin may have been in Arkansas today as well. Ole Lane looking to get paid this off season.

Will probably stop by Ole Miss on his way back to Boca. Even if I was just at FAU, if I made as much money as Kiffin had by age 30, I might stick it out until an SEC East job opens. Recruiting and trying to be successful against LSU, Alabama, and Auburn with Arkansas doesn't sound like a good time.

[AppStFan1]

I know Drink feels he can win anywhere and most coaches do but right now for a G5 coach like Drink or Norvell to take a job at Arkansas or Ole Miss that is either ego or money or both.

Can't worry though because nothing we can do other than donate.

[BeauFoster]

Old Miss already has a target on the ground, and it doesn’t appear to be Drink (most think Kiffin).

If you get nervous about these things, might as well stay that way for about a month. In reality, there’s not squat we can do about it tonight, so settle in and enjoy the ride we’re currently on.

And donate to Yosef.

Now ESPN reports that Kiffin may have been in Arkansas today as well. Ole Lane looking to get paid this off season.

Will probably stop by Ole Miss on his way back to Boca. Even if I was just at FAU, if I made as much money as Kiffin had by age 30, I might stick it out until an SEC East job opens. Recruiting and trying to be successful against LSU, Alabama, and Auburn with Arkansas doesn't sound like a good time.

While I agree with you from a pragmatic standpoint, Lane will probably hear about the Grove and all the sorority coeds in their sundresses and that’ll be all the convincing he needs.

[ericsaid]

Old Miss already has a target on the ground, and it doesn’t appear to be Drink (most think Kiffin).

If you get nervous about these things, might as well stay that way for about a month. In reality, there’s not squat we can do about it tonight, so settle in and enjoy the ride we’re currently on.

And donate to Yosef.

Now ESPN reports that Kiffin may have been in Arkansas today as well. Ole Lane looking to get paid this off season.

Will probably stop by Ole Miss on his way back to Boca. Even if I was just at FAU, if I made as much money as Kiffin had by age 30, I might stick it out until an SEC East job opens. Recruiting and trying to be successful against LSU, Alabama, and Auburn with Arkansas doesn't sound like a good time.

While I agree with you from a pragmatic standpoint, Lane will probably hear about the Grove and all the sorority coeds in their sundresses and that’ll be all the convincing he needs.

If that's what he's interested in wouldn't you think he'd want to stay in Boca? Ultimately, any school in the southeast is going to have some measure of coeds in sun dresses.

[appstatealum]

Ron Rivera catching more heat after today’s debacle.

Not much you can do with two Pro Bowl defensive linemen out and one playing on one leg; especially when you run an odd front defense. Another issue is the lack of an outside linebacker in the traditional mold of a 3-4 guy. Running defense with guys the size of Haynes, Irvin, and Burns won't cut it in the NFL.

I'd imagine the switch to a 3-4 is permanent and may buy Rivera another year to implement it and get more quality depth.

Poor example really but I used to play EA Sports NCAA football and to shake things up I'd switch schemes in Dynasty mode every 5 seasons. Switching from a Base 4-3 to a 3-4, even in a video game, nearly always results in regression from the previous year. In year 2 and 3 when your recruits age and improve is when you see the results come in. Throw in injuries to any new guys you bring in immediately and it all goes downhill quick.

You also see it in Georgia Techs scheme change on offense this year.

I think Rivera is one of the best defensive coaches in the league and probably a Top 12 Head Coach. If Cam doesn't get hurt and injuries on the offensive and defensive lines don't pile up, you're looking at a different squad. Unless Tepper has someone in mind who is a surefire get (like a Lincoln Riley), I believe you stay the course.

I did myself a favor and had zero expectations for the Panthers after I realized Cam was hurt in game 2. It has allowed me to enjoy my CFB and casual NFL watching more

[BeauFoster]

If that's what he's interested in wouldn't you think he'd want to stay in Boca? Ultimately, any school in the southeast is going to have some measure of coeds in sun dresses.

#FreshMeat

In all seriousness, I think Lane will be too anxious to return to the brightest spotlight to turn down an SEC job, even if it is one where the chips are stacked against him.

[Yosef10]

Word is Arkansas has Kiffin signed to a 5 year deal.

[AppinVA]

Matt Luke out at ole miss. I'm feeling a little nervous, cant lie.

Surprising. I thought that they had some respectable showings later in the year and that with some improvement on the defensive side they could possibly make a run on third place in the West.

Have a feeling Ole Miss and Arkansas will be chasing the LSU offensive style of play. They have no hope for the foreseeable future, however, as the CFP has simply cemented recruiting for top guys going between 6 schools.

Having that player get flagged for “pissing away” the Egg Bowl probably is what did him in.

[ericsaid]

Matt Luke out at ole miss. I'm feeling a little nervous, cant lie.

Surprising. I thought that they had some respectable showings later in the year and that with some improvement on the defensive side they could possibly make a run on third place in the West.

Have a feeling Ole Miss and Arkansas will be chasing the LSU offensive style of play. They have no hope for the foreseeable future, however, as the CFP has simply cemented recruiting for top guys going between 6 schools.

Having that player get flagged for “pissing away” the Egg Bowl probably is what did him in.

I would think having 600 yards of total offense against LSU would negate that. A player doing something dumb like that shouldn't factor into a long term decision.

My guess is that Ole Miss knows who they want and already has them on the hook.

[ericsaid]

Ron Rivera catching more heat after today’s debacle.

Not much you can do with two Pro Bowl defensive linemen out and one playing on one leg; especially when you run an odd front defense. Another issue is the lack of an outside linebacker in the traditional mold of a 3-4 guy. Running defense with guys the size of Haynes, Irvin, and Burns won't cut it in the NFL.

I'd imagine the switch to a 3-4 is permanent and may buy Rivera another year to implement it and get more quality depth.

Poor example really but I used to play EA Sports NCAA football and to shake things up I'd switch schemes in Dynasty mode every 5 seasons. Switching from a Base 4-3 to a 3-4, even in a video game, nearly always results in regression from the previous year. In year 2 and 3 when your recruits age and improve is when you see the results come in. Throw in injuries to any new guys you bring in immediately and it all goes downhill quick.

You also see it in Georgia Techs scheme change on offense this year.

I think Rivera is one of the best defensive coaches in the league and probably a Top 12 Head Coach. If Cam doesn't get hurt and injuries on the offensive and defensive lines don't pile up, you're looking at a different squad. Unless Tepper has someone in mind who is a surefire get (like a Lincoln Riley), I believe you stay the course.

I did myself a favor and had zero expectations for the Panthers after I realized Cam was hurt in game 2. It has allowed me to enjoy my CFB and casual NFL watching more

I agree. I haven't turned off the TV of a Panthers game since 2010 though. It isn't a Kyle Allen or Ron Rivera thing either. It is what it is and the injuries piling up makes me wish they would just send out Grier the rest of the season to see what he can do. Winning only hurts your draft position at this point.

[EastHallApp]

Luke was an interim hire when they had to fire Freeze, and his respectable first season was enough for them to give him the permanent job. But a guy like that (with a thin resume) was probably always on a shorter lease than a more conventional hire.