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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by Rick83 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:43 am

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We turned the ball over 5 times. You lose when you do that. Credit the opponent .
Yep, and the Duck punt reception fumble looked like interference to me but what do I know. Also, and I haven't been able to bring myself to re-watch the game yet, but the 4 interceptions, were those all on the QB or were some the receiver's fault? Also, and I'm not making excuses, but how much of a factor was the rain on those interceptions?

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by Apptrain » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:01 am

I wonder if the close battle with Louisiana and now the loss to GS is us slumping again like last year? Or, is it simply that we are playing better teams that maybe we aren’t much better than. Turns out Penn State isn’t the elite team we hoped. Will be interesting to see how we do against CC and especially Troy. We may end up just being a good young team this year, but not that special team some had anointed us. The future does look bright, especially if the coaching staff stays in place. Unfortunately we may be too young to be the best App team ever. But maybe that is on the horizon.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:05 am

Remember. With Jalin out and Evans the starter, we are returning 10 starters on offense with the only loss being Greer.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by AtlAppMan » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:11 am

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I think we weren't as good or as deep as we thought we were but not as bad as we played Thursday night. After a handful of games against weak competition some had declared our second team could win the Belt and that this was the greatest App team ever.
I agree with a lot of what you said but I don't remember anybody saying our second team could win the Belt. That is a foolish arrogant statement that most here would totally disagree with.

I contend that the team we started the season and played the first several games was a top 25 team and could make a run to NY6 assuming we had some help, among those would be to stay healthy. However, things happened and injuries occurred that changed that assumption. Outside a handful of teams (i.e. Alabama, Clemson, a few others), I doubt any team College or NFL could withstand losing their top RB, QB and one of their top defensive players and not have a significant falloff. Couple that with 2 of 3 occurring in a highly competitive rival game and you have a formula for a loss. Yep, that team is NOT a top 25 team but I doubt anybody on this board would have suggested that weakened team is.

Assuming we get a healthy Zac back quickly I would still contend we are still a top 25 team even though I don't expect the votes. I would have left us off the ballot this week too after seeing our game.

We will survive and I expect our guys to finish strong. This stuff happens and is just part of the game. I know we have a bright future.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by Wally » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:46 am

Rick83 wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:43 am
Stonewall wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:59 am
We turned the ball over 5 times. You lose when you do that. Credit the opponent .
Yep, and the Duck punt reception fumble looked like interference to me but what do I know. Also, and I haven't been able to bring myself to re-watch the game yet, but the 4 interceptions, were those all on the QB or were some the receiver's fault? Also, and I'm not making excuses, but how much of a factor was the rain on those interceptions?
The first interception was just a misread but it hurt... it didn't look like Derrick saw the safety slide over and he threw into triple coverage at the goal line. The next two were tipped, and the last one was thrown right to the defender who stepped into the passing lane. I'm not sure the rain was a factor to be honest. I do have a fond memory of Hennigan taking out a little frustration after interception #3...

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by hapapp » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:06 am

AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:34 am
hapapp wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:17 am
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:59 am
We turned the ball over 5 times. You lose when you do that. Credit the opponent .
We'll see how GS does the rest of the way but I think the Eagles are better than many want to acknowledge and deserve credit for the win. It wasn't like they won on a last minute field goal. They were able to do to our defense what no one else has. They took advantage of the opportunities given, what good teams do. That has been our MO as well, hopefully we'll see that this weekend.
We did hold them to well below their average for rushing. They took advantage of personnel changes. As it was stated earlier, remove the TOS and we win 9 of 10.
Based on what can you say we win 9 out of 10? One assumes that Zac performs better than either back up, but there is no way to know the outcome even his in the game. Sorry, but I think we are undervaluing GS. Moreover, injuries are a part of the game. It may turn out that our season is stymied by two key injuries, one season-ending. All this rationalizing that we win the game with Zac overlooks the fact that in the last three games he was just a 50% passer with 4 TDs and 3 INTs and we hadn't played a defense as good as GS since Penn State.

I'm not down on this team and the talent and coaching are there to win out but its an injustice to GS to suggest they wouldn't have won otherwise.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by bcoach » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:41 am

I also believe we have a good team but the fact is that we have played two teams with winning records and we have lost both. Now that does not lead me to say we are not a good team. It does lead me to believe that this APP team would not beat this GS team 9 out of 10 times. I may change my mind by the end of the season but right now GS is the team to beat.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by APPdiesel » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:04 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
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Great news is the next time we get ranked, be it this year (doubtful), next year, or 5 years from now we can say we've been there. We won't have as many fans tweeting players patting them on the back, hyping them up. I personally love teams who's players vote no social media during the season. One less distraction. It has to come from the players. Coaches can't do it.
Unfortunately, I don't think that the been there attitude is going to stop the social media train wreck. I don't know that it was the culprit this time. We had a game where a lot of too many bad things happened. I doubt social media played a hand in our QB going down and our middle lb being disqualified. People have been pumped up how good this team has looked for the 5 weeks prior to this game and it didn't have any adverse affects.
Right I didn't mean it to say that was the culprit in this situation, I just meant that it can play a factor.
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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by APPdiesel » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 pm

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Moreover, injuries are a part of the game. It may turn out that our season is stymied by two key injuries, one season-ending.
Great point. Other teams have injuries too. We don't rationalize away wins because the other guys are hurt.
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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by WASU 93 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:35 pm

Apptrain wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:01 am
I wonder if the close battle with Louisiana and now the loss to GS is us slumping again like last year? Or, is it simply that we are playing better teams that maybe we aren’t much better than. Turns out Penn State isn’t the elite team we hoped. Will be interesting to see how we do against CC and especially Troy. We may end up just being a good young team this year, but not that special team some had anointed us. The future does look bright, especially if the coaching staff stays in place. Unfortunately we may be too young to be the best App team ever. But maybe that is on the horizon.
I didn't see a close battle with Louisiana. We gave up a garbage time TD and then Hennigan got cute (which we all would have loved if it had been successful) trying to return an onside kick. The game was essentially over when we scored on the opening possession of the 3rd quarter. Probably should have been 27-10 and we beat them 28-7 last year.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by Stonewall » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:52 pm

I think we scored about 63 points on LaLa last year.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by App90 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:19 pm

Looking at this today.

Georgia Southern has 12 Seniors on their 2 deep depth chart. And those players are key players that were making plays. They will be gone next year.

Appalachian on the other side has officially 5 seniors on the two deep depth chart. Heath is a grad transfer. So you can count him as number 6.

My point here is GS will look totally different next year. Yes they had a some pretty good recruits come in. But experience trumps talent for the first few years. And I will say this I wont name players but they seem to lose more guys for whatever reason, more so than ASU.

So every one find a hot tub, get you a gin and tonic because we are going to watch ASU grow up in front us for the next few years.

The next class that comes in for ASU is an amazing group.

Remember this happened in 2014.....

It will get better.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by Capt. Ed » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:34 pm

My theory is that we're a very good young team, but young. I believe Satt has done a great job utilizing the talent and experience he has, but now that teams have studied our offense this year, we're out of answers. The offensive line is just to small to push around larger and more experienced players.

No expert knowledge here or even confident I'm anywhere near the truth, just saying how I felt watching the last three games.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:37 pm

hapapp wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:06 am
AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:34 am
hapapp wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:17 am
Stonewall wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:59 am
We turned the ball over 5 times. You lose when you do that. Credit the opponent .
We'll see how GS does the rest of the way but I think the Eagles are better than many want to acknowledge and deserve credit for the win. It wasn't like they won on a last minute field goal. They were able to do to our defense what no one else has. They took advantage of the opportunities given, what good teams do. That has been our MO as well, hopefully we'll see that this weekend.
We did hold them to well below their average for rushing. They took advantage of personnel changes. As it was stated earlier, remove the TOS and we win 9 of 10.
Based on what can you say we win 9 out of 10? One assumes that Zac performs better than either back up, but there is no way to know the outcome even his in the game. Sorry, but I think we are undervaluing GS. Moreover, injuries are a part of the game. It may turn out that our season is stymied by two key injuries, one season-ending. All this rationalizing that we win the game with Zac overlooks the fact that in the last three games he was just a 50% passer with 4 TDs and 3 INTs and we hadn't played a defense as good as GS since Penn State.

I'm not down on this team and the talent and coaching are there to win out but its an injustice to GS to suggest they wouldn't have won otherwise.
Not undervaluing GS at all. They are benefitting from an insane +19 turnover margin. That, in its self will mask a lot of deficiencies. So my statement is that we, on any given day should beat them 9 out of 10 times is based on the uncharacteristic sh*t show on Thursday is not the norm. We doubled our TO total for the year in that game. They scored the majority of those points off our turnovers. PD doesn’t throw that first pick, it is a decent shot at 3 and they don’t beat us on that pass play. Duck catches that punt cleanly and they don’t have seven more. Halftime score is us 10-3 and getting the ball to start the second half.

As for you statistics on Thomas, you seem to be cherry picking thing to make your case look better. He has three Ints in his last three games. Two were after the game was in hand and SS admitted to putting him in situations to learn from at that point. He had none on the road against Ark St. How many of those incompletions are due to drops? He is having growing pains for sure but we are better than GS and at some point they will come back down to earth and I will predict that they will lose two of their remaining games. That is what sucked about that loss.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by hapapp » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:49 pm

No INTs v. StAte but only 12-27 passing. It's not surprising that there's been a drop off considering how hot he started the season, beyond all expectations.

I think he has all the tools we need at QB and will be responsible for a lot more wins going forward. I was just pointing out that he hasn't been lights out recently (though he has been a better runner lately) and there was no guarantee that he would light GS.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:34 pm

hapapp wrote:
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No INTs v. StAte but only 12-27 passing. It's not surprising that there's been a drop off considering how hot he started the season, beyond all expectations.

I think he has all the tools we need at QB and will be responsible for a lot more wins going forward. I was just pointing out that he hasn't been lights out recently (though he has been a better runner lately) and there was no guarantee that he would light GS.
I understand your concern and I asked the boys at Black and Gold Podcast the same question. Is it regression or a maturation process? I tend to agree with them that it is part of the process. But to be fair to ZT, his receivers haven’t helped him out much lately. A lot of drops the last few weeks. But yes, he started off hot so one would expect a regression to the mean. Hence my comments about Ga Southern. They have won the TO battle in every game this year. At some point that has to flip.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by Rick83 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:01 pm

When talking about ZT, let's also remember he's a true dual threat so, maybe his passing % is down but he made those huge runs. That ability also creates problems for the opposing defense who has to worry about containing the QB who can break off a huge run on any broken play. GS didn't have to worry about that last week.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by Stonewall » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:13 pm

Five turnovers against a talented , motivated opponent.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by T-Dog » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:22 pm

Stonewall wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:52 pm
I think we scored about 63 points on LaLa last year.
Against a Louisiana team that knew their coach would be fired and was a walking corpse. No one liked Hud in the last 2-3 years, not even the Cajun staffers.

The Louisiana team that came to Boone this year saw a complete culture overhaul. Kind of like Georgia Southern. Amazing what a difference in attitude from one coach to another brings.

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Re: Back down to earth

Unread post by AppState89 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:38 pm

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Imagine the Carolina Panthers with a loss of Cam, Christian and Luke? That was us early in the 1st quarter. 3 of our top leaders are hard to replace. We will be fine.
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