Let's talk about Clark

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:37 am

MrCraig wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:23 am
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:17 am
AtlAppMan wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:39 am
bcoach wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:41 am
We should have a parent page like this for teachers. If the kids fail we call for firing the teacher. Hell kids education is a lot more important than football.
That used to be called the PTA. And it would be good these days to extend all the way up through administration and the County/City board of education members. The fact is that is how it is SUPPOSED to work. All education members are held accountable for the education of the kids.
You get what you pay for. Teacher salaries are not even at a living wage in N.C. in many cities and towns in N.C.
Hi! App grad and public school teacher checking in! Fun fact, bcoach, there are myriad Facebook and Nextdoor groups dedicated to being a place for parents and community members to vent their frustrations with their local school system.

Much like this board, most of the comments are asinine and ill-informed; however, sometimes there are legitimate gripes that get attention. Much like this board, the teachers and admin follow these groups but usually ignore whatever they have to say unless it is something serious the teachers/admin didn’t know about.

Y’all think this place gets demented during the live game threads? Go check out a school parent page during the first 2 weeks of school. Especially regarding bussing/car line pick up.
I am sure. There are some great teachers in the school system. I have 3 in my family and my daughter is getting her master's degree and will end up in some form of educational setting. My point is that I see all 3 three working side jobs on the weekends and during the summer. There are probably some to many college kids that would like to be in this admirable profession. However, they start looking at the salaries, etc. It's a tough decision. It is a labor of love and not for compensation. When you add all the bureaucracy and parents that teachers put up with.... teachers have a tough road and I respect them for that. I actually told my daughter to really think about what she wanted to do... follow her passion...but did give her some insight on a living wage. She is following her passion and I am glad she is. I taught principles of accounting classes while in grad school while at App. Best job I have ever had. During my first year in public accounting, got a call to inquire if I would be interested in coming back full-time. It was a tough decision as compensation was half of my current comp at the time. I elected not to do it. Somehow/someway... teachers salaries need to be increased even if it impacts my income tax bill.
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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by MrCraig » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:02 am

BambooRdApp wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:37 am
MrCraig wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:23 am
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:17 am
AtlAppMan wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:39 am
bcoach wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:41 am
We should have a parent page like this for teachers. If the kids fail we call for firing the teacher. Hell kids education is a lot more important than football.
That used to be called the PTA. And it would be good these days to extend all the way up through administration and the County/City board of education members. The fact is that is how it is SUPPOSED to work. All education members are held accountable for the education of the kids.
You get what you pay for. Teacher salaries are not even at a living wage in N.C. in many cities and towns in N.C.
Hi! App grad and public school teacher checking in! Fun fact, bcoach, there are myriad Facebook and Nextdoor groups dedicated to being a place for parents and community members to vent their frustrations with their local school system.

Much like this board, most of the comments are asinine and ill-informed; however, sometimes there are legitimate gripes that get attention. Much like this board, the teachers and admin follow these groups but usually ignore whatever they have to say unless it is something serious the teachers/admin didn’t know about.

Y’all think this place gets demented during the live game threads? Go check out a school parent page during the first 2 weeks of school. Especially regarding bussing/car line pick up.
I am sure. There are some great teachers in the school system. I have 3 in my family and my daughter is getting her master's degree and will end up in some form of educational setting. My point is that I see all 3 three working side jobs on the weekends and during the summer. There are probably some to many college kids that would like to be in this admirable profession. However, they start looking at the salaries, etc. It's a tough decision. It is a labor of love and not for compensation. When you add all the bureaucracy and parents that teachers put up with.... teachers have a tough road and I respect them for that. I actually told my daughter to really think about what she wanted to do... follow her passion...but did give her some insight on a living wage. She is following her passion and I am glad she is. I taught principles of accounting classes while in grad school while at App. Best job I have ever had. During my first year in public accounting, got a call to inquire if I would be interested in coming back full-time. It was a tough decision as compensation was half of my current comp at the time. I elected not to do it. Somehow/someway... teachers salaries need to be increased even if it impacts my income tax bill.
I’ve come to terms with the fact that I’ll never be rich in money. However, I also decided while at App that I wouldn’t teach in NC. Things were happening at the time that led to the shape of public ed in NC as it is now. I moved to GA where the pay isn’t great, but it’s a lot better than NC. I can at least pay all my bills at the end of the month. I work a second job just for extra spending money, not because I HAVE to.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by bcoach » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:37 am

MrCraig wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:23 am
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:17 am
AtlAppMan wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:39 am
bcoach wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:41 am
We should have a parent page like this for teachers. If the kids fail we call for firing the teacher. Hell kids education is a lot more important than football.
That used to be called the PTA. And it would be good these days to extend all the way up through administration and the County/City board of education members. The fact is that is how it is SUPPOSED to work. All education members are held accountable for the education of the kids.
You get what you pay for. Teacher salaries are not even at a living wage in N.C. in many cities and towns in N.C.
Hi! App grad and public school teacher checking in! Fun fact, bcoach, there are myriad Facebook and Nextdoor groups dedicated to being a place for parents and community members to vent their frustrations with their local school system.

Much like this board, most of the comments are asinine and ill-informed; however, sometimes there are legitimate gripes that get attention. Much like this board, the teachers and admin follow these groups but usually ignore whatever they have to say unless it is something serious the teachers/admin didn’t know about.

Y’all think this place gets demented during the live game threads? Go check out a school parent page during the first 2 weeks of school. Especially regarding bussing/car line pick up.
Just making a point and am glad to hear your response. It is telling how silent it was for a while till you responded. I certainly hope that the coaching staff ignores most of the assanine bullshit on this page and I hope teachers do the same.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by ASUTodd » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:39 am

There are four jobs on this earth that I would not want due to how hard they are.... #1 Pastor. #2 Teacher. #3 Law enforcement (which I did). #4 Nurse (which my gf is). I'm a glutton for punishment. I always tell people that if they truly want to make a change on a national level, pay attention to your school board elections. It's one of the most important positions for the future of your city/county/state/country.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by bcoach » Sun Oct 15, 2023 4:31 pm

BambooRdApp wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:37 am
MrCraig wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:23 am
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:17 am
AtlAppMan wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:39 am
bcoach wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:41 am
We should have a parent page like this for teachers. If the kids fail we call for firing the teacher. Hell kids education is a lot more important than football.
That used to be called the PTA. And it would be good these days to extend all the way up through administration and the County/City board of education members. The fact is that is how it is SUPPOSED to work. All education members are held accountable for the education of the kids.
You get what you pay for. Teacher salaries are not even at a living wage in N.C. in many cities and towns in N.C.
Hi! App grad and public school teacher checking in! Fun fact, bcoach, there are myriad Facebook and Nextdoor groups dedicated to being a place for parents and community members to vent their frustrations with their local school system.

Much like this board, most of the comments are asinine and ill-informed; however, sometimes there are legitimate gripes that get attention. Much like this board, the teachers and admin follow these groups but usually ignore whatever they have to say unless it is something serious the teachers/admin didn’t know about.

Y’all think this place gets demented during the live game threads? Go check out a school parent page during the first 2 weeks of school. Especially regarding bussing/car line pick up.
I am sure. There are some great teachers in the school system. I have 3 in my family and my daughter is getting her master's degree and will end up in some form of educational setting. My point is that I see all 3 three working side jobs on the weekends and during the summer. There are probably some to many college kids that would like to be in this admirable profession. However, they start looking at the salaries, etc. It's a tough decision. It is a labor of love and not for compensation. When you add all the bureaucracy and parents that teachers put up with.... teachers have a tough road and I respect them for that. I actually told my daughter to really think about what she wanted to do... follow her passion...but did give her some insight on a living wage. She is following her passion and I am glad she is. I taught principles of accounting classes while in grad school while at App. Best job I have ever had. During my first year in public accounting, got a call to inquire if I would be interested in coming back full-time. It was a tough decision as compensation was half of my current comp at the time. I elected not to do it. Somehow/someway... teachers salaries need to be increased even if it impacts my income tax bill.
Salaries will only increase when it becomes as important as concerts, football, and all the other distractions that we can somehow afford in spite of being too broke to pay teachers and cops.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by yosef69 » Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:19 pm

bcoach wrote:
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Salaries will only increase when it becomes as important as concerts, football, and all the other distractions that we can somehow afford in spite of being too broke to pay teachers and cops.
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You understand that the citizens don’t pay teachers right? The state legislature does and they’re negligent for not paying our teachers more.

Everyone wants to pay teachers more but our legislature won’t do it. Wonder why.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by T-Dog » Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:24 pm

I might get in trouble for this, but here' something I noticed re-watching the Tuesday game (I re-watch every game win or loss).

At least on the broadcast, we never see Clark reacting strongly to anything. Not to any of the touchdowns, the phantom chop block in the third quarter, the bogus DPI on the drive before that, nothing. I remember earlier this season and in year's past he would go off on the official once a game. And he would celebrate success. Where has that gone? I wasn't at the game, but on an ESPN main broadcast, they would have caught it if he did.

I bring that up because inconsistent behavior is noticeable by young people. I've heard it from multiple former CFB players. They notice when a coach changes attitude if they're successful or not. Some play the tough love guy when they go 9-3/10-2 saying we can succeed more, then switch to spreading love when they go 6-6/5-7. I don't know if this was a one-time thing or I'm imagining it, but I wish we would see Clark be more animated on the sideline.



Then at the end of the third quarter in the short interview CFB started doing this year to mimic the NBA, Clark says "I guess it'll come down to the last drive or two, it's what we do here."

"It's what we do here." But App was the team that beat you by three scores as boringly as possible for years. It only became what we do here in the last two years.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by Saint3333 » Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:26 pm

That quote rubbed me the wrong way too.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by yosef69 » Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:46 pm

T-Dog wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:24 pm
"It's what we do here." But App was the team that beat you by three scores as boringly as possible for years. It only became what we do here in the last two years.
Leaning too far into the first 3 games of last season. If you can’t blow out the opponents may as well bill it as exciting I guess

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by AppWyo » Sun Oct 15, 2023 8:26 pm

T-Dog wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:24 pm
I might get in trouble for this, but here' something I noticed re-watching the Tuesday game (I re-watch every game win or loss).

At least on the broadcast, we never see Clark reacting strongly to anything. Not to any of the touchdowns, the phantom chop block in the third quarter, the bogus DPI on the drive before that, nothing. I remember earlier this season and in year's past he would go off on the official once a game. And he would celebrate success. Where has that gone? I wasn't at the game, but on an ESPN main broadcast, they would have caught it if he did.

I bring that up because inconsistent behavior is noticeable by young people. I've heard it from multiple former CFB players. They notice when a coach changes attitude if they're successful or not. Some play the tough love guy when they go 9-3/10-2 saying we can succeed more, then switch to spreading love when they go 6-6/5-7. I don't know if this was a one-time thing or I'm imagining it, but I wish we would see Clark be more animated on the sideline.



Then at the end of the third quarter in the short interview CFB started doing this year to mimic the NBA, Clark says "I guess it'll come down to the last drive or two, it's what we do here."

"It's what we do here." But App was the team that beat you by three scores as boringly as possible for years. It only became what we do here in the last two years.
I would rather have a stoic coach than someone that throws a tantrum when things are not going their way. Remember how Drinkwitz would act. So childish.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by Yosef84 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:29 am

Honestly, I didn't love the comment either but I think folks are over-thinking this one. My read was that he was frustrated and his comment was an accurate reflection of this season. It's not his goal. He was pissed. My guess is that the team knows he's not happy. I'm hoping a fire gets lit and all the pieces we have seen come together for the upcoming stretch. The fact is that people will see what they want to see or interpret these things to support whatever opinion they already have. Unless we're in the locker room or have direct contact, none of us really know.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by HkyMtneer » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:39 am

MrCraig wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:02 am
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:37 am
MrCraig wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:23 am
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:17 am
AtlAppMan wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 10:39 am


That used to be called the PTA. And it would be good these days to extend all the way up through administration and the County/City board of education members. The fact is that is how it is SUPPOSED to work. All education members are held accountable for the education of the kids.
You get what you pay for. Teacher salaries are not even at a living wage in N.C. in many cities and towns in N.C.
Hi! App grad and public school teacher checking in! Fun fact, bcoach, there are myriad Facebook and Nextdoor groups dedicated to being a place for parents and community members to vent their frustrations with their local school system.

Much like this board, most of the comments are asinine and ill-informed; however, sometimes there are legitimate gripes that get attention. Much like this board, the teachers and admin follow these groups but usually ignore whatever they have to say unless it is something serious the teachers/admin didn’t know about.

Y’all think this place gets demented during the live game threads? Go check out a school parent page during the first 2 weeks of school. Especially regarding bussing/car line pick up.
I am sure. There are some great teachers in the school system. I have 3 in my family and my daughter is getting her master's degree and will end up in some form of educational setting. My point is that I see all 3 three working side jobs on the weekends and during the summer. There are probably some to many college kids that would like to be in this admirable profession. However, they start looking at the salaries, etc. It's a tough decision. It is a labor of love and not for compensation. When you add all the bureaucracy and parents that teachers put up with.... teachers have a tough road and I respect them for that. I actually told my daughter to really think about what she wanted to do... follow her passion...but did give her some insight on a living wage. She is following her passion and I am glad she is. I taught principles of accounting classes while in grad school while at App. Best job I have ever had. During my first year in public accounting, got a call to inquire if I would be interested in coming back full-time. It was a tough decision as compensation was half of my current comp at the time. I elected not to do it. Somehow/someway... teachers salaries need to be increased even if it impacts my income tax bill.
I’ve come to terms with the fact that I’ll never be rich in money. However, I also decided while at App that I wouldn’t teach in NC. Things were happening at the time that led to the shape of public ed in NC as it is now. I moved to GA where the pay isn’t great, but it’s a lot better than NC. I can at least pay all my bills at the end of the month. I work a second job just for extra spending money, not because I HAVE to.
As an aside to your comments...it's kinda funny/sad how much some folks view educators. Specifically, I'm speaking broadly but I have lots of "local" examples. My wife taught 4th Grade in the same school for the first 11 years of her career here in the Hickory area. I can't tell you how many times someone that her/I/we didn't know would strike up a conversation, quick or long, while out somewhere and find out my wife was a teacher and inevitably, in some way, allude to the fact that she was making "them big bucks" or that we must be "rolling in dough". It sounds crazy to even type but if it happened 25 times over 11 years it happened 100.

The Hickory area for years had a near-last-place educational attainment ranking in the national rankings of metro areas. With Charlotte encroaching even closer and a solid influx of those from other parts of the country, specifically the Northeast where education is more valued, those numbers are *slowly improving...but I believe the Hickory-Morganton-Lenoir MSA still ranks towards the bottom of the list. I guess when you're economy was basically solely dependent on factory jobs for well over 100 years the result isn't too pretty. My wife has saw that mentality raise it's head in the attitude of parents towards their child's educational shortcomings and those folks hateful attitude toward the highfalutin educators with the college degrees pulling in the big money.

Obviously, anyone with half a brain, knows otherwise but that doesn't stop the ignorant and the Hickory area is still loaded down with those. My wife actually left the teaching side of things last year, and switched local counties, moving to an instructional coaching role in order to make a little more $ and begin a transition towards administration. She's in the final year of the MSA program through App and looks forward to hopefully becoming an AP sooner than later. She loves children and loves the profession and is going to make some local district and school very happy. She honestly really didn't want to leave the classroom, or at least most days, but she viewed it as a necessity in order to make a more decent living and remain in our hometown area.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by bcoach » Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:36 am

yosef69 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:19 pm
bcoach wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 4:31 pm
Salaries will only increase when it becomes as important as concerts, football, and all the other distractions that we can somehow afford in spite of being too broke to pay teachers and cops.
You understand that the citizens don’t pay teachers right? The state legislature does and they’re negligent for not paying our teachers more.

Everyone wants to pay teachers more but our legislature won’t do it. Wonder why.
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I sincerly hope you don't believe that.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by yosef69 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:20 am

bcoach wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:36 am
yosef69 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:19 pm
bcoach wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 4:31 pm
Salaries will only increase when it becomes as important as concerts, football, and all the other distractions that we can somehow afford in spite of being too broke to pay teachers and cops.
You understand that the citizens don’t pay teachers right? The state legislature does and they’re negligent for not paying our teachers more.

Everyone wants to pay teachers more but our legislature won’t do it. Wonder why.
I sincerly hope you don't believe that.
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Care to enlighten me on how citizens pay teachers?

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by MrCraig » Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:50 am

HkyMtneer wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:39 am
MrCraig wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:02 am
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:37 am
MrCraig wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:23 am
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:17 am


You get what you pay for. Teacher salaries are not even at a living wage in N.C. in many cities and towns in N.C.
Hi! App grad and public school teacher checking in! Fun fact, bcoach, there are myriad Facebook and Nextdoor groups dedicated to being a place for parents and community members to vent their frustrations with their local school system.

Much like this board, most of the comments are asinine and ill-informed; however, sometimes there are legitimate gripes that get attention. Much like this board, the teachers and admin follow these groups but usually ignore whatever they have to say unless it is something serious the teachers/admin didn’t know about.

Y’all think this place gets demented during the live game threads? Go check out a school parent page during the first 2 weeks of school. Especially regarding bussing/car line pick up.
I am sure. There are some great teachers in the school system. I have 3 in my family and my daughter is getting her master's degree and will end up in some form of educational setting. My point is that I see all 3 three working side jobs on the weekends and during the summer. There are probably some to many college kids that would like to be in this admirable profession. However, they start looking at the salaries, etc. It's a tough decision. It is a labor of love and not for compensation. When you add all the bureaucracy and parents that teachers put up with.... teachers have a tough road and I respect them for that. I actually told my daughter to really think about what she wanted to do... follow her passion...but did give her some insight on a living wage. She is following her passion and I am glad she is. I taught principles of accounting classes while in grad school while at App. Best job I have ever had. During my first year in public accounting, got a call to inquire if I would be interested in coming back full-time. It was a tough decision as compensation was half of my current comp at the time. I elected not to do it. Somehow/someway... teachers salaries need to be increased even if it impacts my income tax bill.
I’ve come to terms with the fact that I’ll never be rich in money. However, I also decided while at App that I wouldn’t teach in NC. Things were happening at the time that led to the shape of public ed in NC as it is now. I moved to GA where the pay isn’t great, but it’s a lot better than NC. I can at least pay all my bills at the end of the month. I work a second job just for extra spending money, not because I HAVE to.
As an aside to your comments...it's kinda funny/sad how much some folks view educators. Specifically, I'm speaking broadly but I have lots of "local" examples. My wife taught 4th Grade in the same school for the first 11 years of her career here in the Hickory area. I can't tell you how many times someone that her/I/we didn't know would strike up a conversation, quick or long, while out somewhere and find out my wife was a teacher and inevitably, in some way, allude to the fact that she was making "them big bucks" or that we must be "rolling in dough". It sounds crazy to even type but if it happened 25 times over 11 years it happened 100.

The Hickory area for years had a near-last-place educational attainment ranking in the national rankings of metro areas. With Charlotte encroaching even closer and a solid influx of those from other parts of the country, specifically the Northeast where education is more valued, those numbers are *slowly improving...but I believe the Hickory-Morganton-Lenoir MSA still ranks towards the bottom of the list. I guess when you're economy was basically solely dependent on factory jobs for well over 100 years the result isn't too pretty. My wife has saw that mentality raise it's head in the attitude of parents towards their child's educational shortcomings and those folks hateful attitude toward the highfalutin educators with the college degrees pulling in the big money.

Obviously, anyone with half a brain, knows otherwise but that doesn't stop the ignorant and the Hickory area is still loaded down with those. My wife actually left the teaching side of things last year, and switched local counties, moving to an instructional coaching role in order to make a little more $ and begin a transition towards administration. She's in the final year of the MSA program through App and looks forward to hopefully becoming an AP sooner than later. She loves children and loves the profession and is going to make some local district and school very happy. She honestly really didn't want to leave the classroom, or at least most days, but she viewed it as a necessity in order to make a more decent living and remain in our hometown area.
I did my student teaching in Lenoir, so I know exactly what you mean. Teaching in rural Georgia is similar.
One of the things that frustrates me the most is that it’s basically impossible to get a pay raise unless you get a higher degree and/or move into admin. You can be teacher of the year for 10 years with exceptional test scores and outstanding relationships with students and parents, but you won’t make as much as the teacher down the hall who does nothing all day but has a master’s degree.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by T-Dog » Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:06 am

AppWyo wrote:
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I would rather have a stoic coach than someone that throws a tantrum when things are not going their way. Remember how Drinkwitz would act. So childish.
Clark has thrown his share of tantrums regarding bad calls. He would also celebrate touchdowns with the players. He did neither versus Coastal.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by canes_mj » Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:12 am

ASUTodd wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:39 am
There are four jobs on this earth that I would not want due to how hard they are.... #1 Pastor. #2 Teacher. #3 Law enforcement (which I did). #4 Nurse (which my gf is). I'm a glutton for punishment. I always tell people that if they truly want to make a change on a national level, pay attention to your school board elections. It's one of the most important positions for the future of your city/county/state/country.
I've done 2 of those jobs...my initial degree from App was in education, and you don't really know until the very end, when you student teach, if it's for you....my student teaching was basically them using me as free labor while the teacher got trained as assistant principle...so I was the teacher, did everything, for my student teaching....by the end of that, I KNEW it wasn't for me. I wouldn't be a teacher no matter what they paid me. My wife also has a teaching degree...she taught 2 different times, with an interval in between...and it took a toll on her. She won't go back. I've worked manual labor with tractor trailers, waiting tables, and 12+ hour nursing shifts, and NO job has made me more physically and mentally exhausted than teaching.

I next went to nursing. It's still, in spite of everything a very good job. I liked it. Especially if you are younger and/or single, without kids...you can vacation easy, you can travel nurse...post COVID there is tons of money to be made...you have to find the right job/unit/hospital. The problem is with the hospital management...no matter which system you're in. Their greed causes all the issues because they consistently raise patient load/patient to nurse ratio and cut staffing. Things start off well, and they gradually cut and cut and cut and walk you right up to the edge of patient safety, and they stop there. There's a reckoning coming because more nurses are leaving floor nursing, and staffing is getting worse. And nursing schools are actually having to deny people admission in spite of the shortage, because there isn't clinical place/staffing to train students. So, eventually they're going to have to improve conditions. Talk to any nurse, patient ratio/staffing is the issue; not pay. I got off of the floor because I saw the writing on the wall.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:28 am

Yosef84 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:29 am
Honestly, I didn't love the comment either but I think folks are over-thinking this one. My read was that he was frustrated and his comment was an accurate reflection of this season. It's not his goal. He was pissed. My guess is that the team knows he's not happy. I'm hoping a fire gets lit and all the pieces we have seen come together for the upcoming stretch. The fact is that people will see what they want to see or interpret these things to support whatever opinion they already have. Unless we're in the locker room or have direct contact, none of us really know.
This is a massive understatement but I believe that there are some very good coaches out there who do the right things- don't have players getting arrested, making sure they go to class and graduate, hires quality assistants, practices and prepares, etc. Then that very good coach realizes that he simply doesn't have the talent he thought he had assembled. Or sometimes the game just doesn't go as planned. It's absolutely a results deal and in football you only get 12-14 shots at it. Basketball can struggle out of the gate, even struggle in conference play then turn it around in the post season and make a run.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by Yosef84 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:39 am

Bigdaddyg1 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:28 am
Yosef84 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:29 am
Honestly, I didn't love the comment either but I think folks are over-thinking this one. My read was that he was frustrated and his comment was an accurate reflection of this season. It's not his goal. He was pissed. My guess is that the team knows he's not happy. I'm hoping a fire gets lit and all the pieces we have seen come together for the upcoming stretch. The fact is that people will see what they want to see or interpret these things to support whatever opinion they already have. Unless we're in the locker room or have direct contact, none of us really know.
This is a massive understatement but I believe that there are some very good coaches out there who do the right things- don't have players getting arrested, making sure they go to class and graduate, hires quality assistants, practices and prepares, etc. Then that very good coach realizes that he simply doesn't have the talent he thought he had assembled. Or sometimes the game just doesn't go as planned. It's absolutely a results deal and in football you only get 12-14 shots at it. Basketball can struggle out of the gate, even struggle in conference play then turn it around in the post season and make a run.
Bigdaddyg1 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:28 am
Yosef84 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:29 am
Honestly, I didn't love the comment either but I think folks are over-thinking this one. My read was that he was frustrated and his comment was an accurate reflection of this season. It's not his goal. He was pissed. My guess is that the team knows he's not happy. I'm hoping a fire gets lit and all the pieces we have seen come together for the upcoming stretch. The fact is that people will see what they want to see or interpret these things to support whatever opinion they already have. Unless we're in the locker room or have direct contact, none of us really know.
This is a massive understatement but I believe that there are some very good coaches out there who do the right things- don't have players getting arrested, making sure they go to class and graduate, hires quality assistants, practices and prepares, etc. Then that very good coach realizes that he simply doesn't have the talent he thought he had assembled. Or sometimes the game just doesn't go as planned. It's absolutely a results deal and in football you only get 12-14 shots at it. Basketball can struggle out of the gate, even struggle in conference play then turn it around in the post season and make a run.
I'm sure some disagree but I don't think talent is the issue. Execution is the issue and that's why I think there is hope for this season. It's not the same issue over and over. That's frustrating but it also holds hope that things could help for a run.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:50 am

Yosef84 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:39 am
Bigdaddyg1 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:28 am
Yosef84 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:29 am
Honestly, I didn't love the comment either but I think folks are over-thinking this one. My read was that he was frustrated and his comment was an accurate reflection of this season. It's not his goal. He was pissed. My guess is that the team knows he's not happy. I'm hoping a fire gets lit and all the pieces we have seen come together for the upcoming stretch. The fact is that people will see what they want to see or interpret these things to support whatever opinion they already have. Unless we're in the locker room or have direct contact, none of us really know.
This is a massive understatement but I believe that there are some very good coaches out there who do the right things- don't have players getting arrested, making sure they go to class and graduate, hires quality assistants, practices and prepares, etc. Then that very good coach realizes that he simply doesn't have the talent he thought he had assembled. Or sometimes the game just doesn't go as planned. It's absolutely a results deal and in football you only get 12-14 shots at it. Basketball can struggle out of the gate, even struggle in conference play then turn it around in the post season and make a run.
Bigdaddyg1 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:28 am
Yosef84 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:29 am
Honestly, I didn't love the comment either but I think folks are over-thinking this one. My read was that he was frustrated and his comment was an accurate reflection of this season. It's not his goal. He was pissed. My guess is that the team knows he's not happy. I'm hoping a fire gets lit and all the pieces we have seen come together for the upcoming stretch. The fact is that people will see what they want to see or interpret these things to support whatever opinion they already have. Unless we're in the locker room or have direct contact, none of us really know.
This is a massive understatement but I believe that there are some very good coaches out there who do the right things- don't have players getting arrested, making sure they go to class and graduate, hires quality assistants, practices and prepares, etc. Then that very good coach realizes that he simply doesn't have the talent he thought he had assembled. Or sometimes the game just doesn't go as planned. It's absolutely a results deal and in football you only get 12-14 shots at it. Basketball can struggle out of the gate, even struggle in conference play then turn it around in the post season and make a run.
I'm sure some disagree but I don't think talent is the issue. Execution is the issue and that's why I think there is hope for this season. It's not the same issue over and over. That's frustrating but it also holds hope that things could help for a run.
I tend to agree with you. I wasn't necessarily saying that we have a lack of talent but that it happens. I also believe that perceived talent is often subjective. Some look at our roster and make definitive statements that we are loaded, or it's a Lamborghini (that one cracked me up). I do think we have some talented players but so do our opponents. I really want to see us put it together and lay the wood to someone besides an FCS team. We absolutely need to go out and make a statement and get that swagger back.

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