Jerry Moore will not return

[JCline0429]

Whatever you make of Peacock's statement, what he does not say is that Coach Moore signed a contract agreeing that this past season would be his last. I think if they had such a contract they would produce it. Everything other than the memos sent between Cobb and Peacock (according to Peacock) seems to be verbal, right?

Why would there be a contract? His contract is up.. this was his last season of his contract. There is no need to have another contract -- just not renewing his contract is enough.

Read WM's post about June 2013. They've already interviewed for his job. Does that mean that the new coach's contract will start post June 2013? Not bloody likely.

No, the new coach's contract will likely start as soon as he is hired. However, there will likely be a clause in his contract saying the official title will not be given to him until Coach Moore's is expired. Or vice versa (Moore's has a clause stating as soon as the football season is over, his head coach duties are done).

I am by no means a legal expert, but I do know our legal council is and is not quite that inept!

Thanks for clarifying.

[newtoasu]

Jerry Moore wasnt fired for an 8-4 season. He was retired because he couldnt keep a grip on the team for a period of years. Or his son.

I agree he wasn't fired for an 8-4 season(s). If APP would have gone 12-3 this year and won the Championship his contract would not have been renewed. Bottom line is that ASU could have gone anywhere from 0-15 to 15-0 and Coach Moore was still not going to be back next year.

I'll even go as far to say that the off-field problems are not the reason that Coach Moore's contract was not renewed. Yes, I think they did weigh into the decision, but in and of themselves these problems did not lead to this scenario.

I think that Coach Moore's situation was caused and is some of the best evidence to date that ASU is serious about making the transition to FBS and not just going through the motions. Coach Moore had no enthusiasm about the move to FBS (And JCLine, before you get in a bunch, no, I do not have a quote of Coach Moore saying he is against a move up, but on the other hand do you have a quote that says a move to FBS is what he wants?). The coach of the program MUST be 100% invested in the move to FBS, sees that move as paramount to the future of ASU Football, and frankly is a guy who would not want the job if the move did not occur. Coach Moore, despite all that he has done for ASU is not that guy, and therefore in the eyes of the Administration, who are responsible for doing what is BEST for ASU, this painful change had to be made.

[mom_n_buggie]

I agree he wasn't fired for an 8-4 season(s). If APP would have gone 12-3 this year and won the Championship his contract would not have been renewed. Bottom line is that ASU could have gone anywhere from 0-15 to 15-0 and Coach Moore was still not going to be back next year.

I'll even go as far to say that the off-field problems are not the reason that Coach Moore's contract was not renewed. Yes, I think they did weigh into the decision, but in and of themselves these problems did not lead to this scenario.

I think that Coach Moore's situation was caused and is some of the best evidence to date that ASU is serious about making the transition to FBS and not just going through the motions. Coach Moore had no enthusiasm about the move to FBS (And JCLine, before you get in a bunch, no, I do not have a quote of Coach Moore saying he is against a move up, but on the other hand do you have a quote that says a move to FBS is what he wants?). The coach of the program MUST be 100% invested in the move to FBS, sees that move as paramount to the future of ASU Football, and frankly is a guy who would not want the job if the move did not occur. Coach Moore, despite all that he has done for ASU is not that guy, and therefore in the eyes of the Administration, who are responsible for doing what is BEST for ASU, this painful change had to be made.

This post is the closest to the truth. All I'm sayin'.

[clayton]

"Put down the pipe and step away from the ledge. Jerry wasn't fired. While I would have liked to see App progress further in the playoffs the last few years, I am happy with the seasons overall. Again, Jerry wasn't fired. There was an agreement that this would be Jerry's last year. Jerry wasn't fired. His contract wasn't renewed and expires next year. Jerry wasn't fired. It's time to finally move on, no matter how bad you and your AppFan crew are going to try to keep dragging the university through the mud. Jerry wasn't fired. That won't work here - you're going to get called on the BS. Jerry wasn't fired."



"Fired" is not an official term. It's usually officially called a resignation, retirement, end of contract, etc. If the employee wants to continue working, but the boss says he can't, then the employee was fired.

Jerry Moore wanted to keep working. Charlie Cobb said he could not. Charlie Cobb and Ken Peacock claim that they had an agreement that 2012 would be Moore's last year. Jerry Moore disagrees.

I think this is a problem. Jerry Moore has always been portrayed to me as an honest person with deep convictions. So, I believe him. I don't trust the words coming from most football coaches. But, I do trust him.

So, you can talk about an "agreement" until you're blue in the face. Jerry Moore says there wasn't one. He says he felt blindsided. Nobody's blindsided by a year-old agreement. People are blindsided when they're fired.

I think Mark Speir actually has the best line on this story. “Somewhere between right and wrong, reality falls.”

[AppStateNews]

Actually, according to this article, Moore knew there was an agreement:
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/fo ... f6878.html

He said "but I never thought of it as an agreement like a contract." So, he knew there was an agreement, he just didn't think it was going to stay binding if he had won.

He may have been blindsided, but that is no one's fault but his own.

[ASU_MBA]

I posted on here last year that Coach Moore was given the option at an Admin job because the football staff was in disarray and the Maine blowout, etc. Cobb wanted new blood then. I also said that the Satterfield deal was done. Many on this board said I had no idea what I was talking about and that I should not post rumors. Well Peacock just backed up what I said.

Again, for the third time. Moore not returning has NOTHING TO DO with a possible FBS move. Regardless of the realignment, Jerry was not coming back. He was given the option last year because of a decline in the football program, etc. Why else would Jerry even today say that he thought if they won everything would be ok.

If a FBS invite happens then it happens but don't look at a possible FBS move as the reason Moore is gone. Or use it as proof that we are moving up.

[RankinApp]

Again, Jerry wasn't fired. Spin it however you like, but that's simply not an accurate portrayal. A contract expiring is exactly that - both the employer and employee parting ways. Moving in different directions. Personally, I think the whole ordeal is being blown out of proportion.

I like Coach Moore. A lot. I've never had anything but admiration and respect for the man. He's accomplished more for Appalachian football than anyone else. I've never called for his firing. I thought he should have continued coaching.

I also like Peacock and Cobb. They've both accomplished more for the university, as a whole, than any other chancellor or athletic director in school history.

All three men have done things I don't disagree with. Poor choices aren't exclusively the dominion of one individual. I haven't cared for the comments made about the coach, chancellor, or AD. It's accomplishing nothing. Naturally, the knives have now come out and people with agendas, on both sides, are doing their damndest to embarrass my alma mater.

“Somewhere between right and wrong, reality falls.” Yup, which is why I wonder why you guys are working so hard on the extremes instead of joining the rest of us in reality.

[appgrad]

It seems to me that some people (perhaps most?) on this site lean toward giving a "royal prerogative" to administrators such as Peacock and Cobb. A mindset that grants them the right to do what they please, by any means necessary. Only bound by the letter of the law, perhaps. ?

So, your saying that Cobb and Peacock can do whatever they want, as long as they follow the rules? That is true - and a pretty pointless statement to make. It's also wrong - since both report to the Board of Trustees.

Newsflash - I don't know if you work in a job for someone, but when they tell you you're done, you're done. Charlie Cobb and Kenneth Peacock were Jerry Moore's bosses. They decided he was no longer fit to lead our program, and told him so. He didn't have to reply, or agree with it, for that to be so.

I'll also point out that it concerns me that Coach Moore seems to not remember many of these discussions, when I've heard from people from inside the football program that it was a known fact among staff that it was his last year. You have to ask yourself if there are other reasons - aside from implying Cobb and Peacock are dictators - that Coach Moore is struggling to remember things. Like - I don't know - he's suffering from memory loss in his old age?!

Shit, people, isn't the mandatory state retirement age 72? Why are we crying over a 73 year old whose made 6 figures for the last 24 years, and now has a state pension?

[asu1978]

I had a conversation with a former football staff member who had recieved a phone call from Cobb(I'm not at liberty to release name ).Yes,JM was let go,& it's looking more like Scott will be HC.Let the healing begin.

[wataugan03]

So Cobb sends Moore a memo that says: "Its time for you to move out of coaching, but we'd like to offer you another job in the department that pays $X."

Moore call Cobb and says: "I'd really like to coach the last year of my contract. I have a young team, but I think I can fix a lot of the problems from last year and really get this thing back on track. Here's my plan to do it: . . . "

Cobb confers with the rest of the admin and calls Moore back and says: "Ok you have another year. I think you have a good plan to fix all those problems and I hope it works. Good luck."

If that's how the conversations went, then its clear that there's been no promise to renew the contract. But, Moore is hardly crazy to think that if he implements his plans to turn around whatever problems exist and it works that the administration might be willing to renew his contract. Nobody told him that they would not renew his contract. The Adcock thing is more troubling. Either he or Moore is lying or doesn't remember correctly (totally possible)- or maybe there was just some kind of a miscommunication.

[JCline0429]

All I said was that in public he always said it was an administrative decision and never publicly said he wanted no part of it. That's all, new to.

[firemoose]

Firemoose, what the hell are you doing posting something so logical and, dare we say, correct?


You're doomed......

What can I say...I'm multifaceted dysfunctional with masochistic tendencies

[APPpines]

Now I know why NC State didn't want Charlie Cobb ... This has to be one of the worst handled situations I have ever seen ... Let's look at his coaching search record for the main 2 sports ... He let Buzz hold us hostage for weeks as he begged him ... Buzz comes and leaves ... He hires a basketball coach with probably the least amount of experience ever and he is failing miserably ... And he chooses to fire the most famous and successful coach ever in school history, SoCon history, and I believe the most successful college football coach in NC history(after another conference championship)... He is a legend and deserved to choose when he retired ... Cobb's office was built by money that Coach Moore's football teams earned and that their success was able to raise for the athletic department ... Charlie Cobb didn't attend ASU and his loyalty is obviously to his resume or somewhere else ... He will forever be remembered as the man that fired a legend and made our school look stupid in the process !!! ... Coach Moore deserved better and Cobb should be ashamed ... and if Coach Moore wasn't successful enough for Cobb then Coach Capel should be fired immediately ... This makes Cobb and ASU look stupid and Cobb should be ashamed !!!

[AppGrad1]

Contracts are only binding for the length of time agreed upon. NOTHING ELSE.
When you finish up your contract you hope you get another. NOT GUARANTEED

It is my opinion ASU looked at Jerry Moore's age and other things and decided it was time...
They legally can't use his age as a reason, therefore, they just did not renew his contract.

It happens all the time in pro sports. When a player gets a "certain" age they only will give out 1 or 2 year contracts.

As everyone stated, I love what Jerry Moore has done for ASU. I am one of those that thinks it was smart not to renew his contract.

[fjblair]

I think the next logical step is for the administration to produce a copy of the memo's exchanged between CC and Coach and between CC and KP. I realize that some details, such as the explicit details of the 3-year offer might need to be "blacked out" but the production of any memos regarding this communication now must be produced. I'm sure the papers have already requested them, so hopefully they will be soon forthcoming.

They don't need to produce anything. The next logical step is for everybody to move on.

[fjblair]

WHAT?

Two 8-4 seasons after six straight 10 win seasons is no reason to fire a coach. That is absurd. If we're going to keep those expectations for coaches, we're going to fire a lot of coaches. Pretty much any coach. Name a coach who has had a better 8 year run?

You just called Jerry Moore ignorant. JERRY MOORE.

Put down the pipe and step away from the ledge. Jerry wasn't fired. While I would have liked to see App progress further in the playoffs the last few years, I am happy with the seasons overall. Again, Jerry wasn't fired. There was an agreement that this would be Jerry's last year. Jerry wasn't fired. His contract wasn't renewed and expires next year. Jerry wasn't fired. It's time to finally move on, no matter how bad you and your AppFan crew are going to try to keep dragging the university through the mud. Jerry wasn't fired. That won't work here - you're going to get called on the BS. Jerry wasn't fired.

So let me get this straight. You are saying that Jerry Moore wasn't fired?



Totally agree.

[TheMoody1]

Great, yet another new thread rehashing the same stuff. You better send Peacock packing with him.

[Gbolick]

Charlie Cobb did not hire Capel (Mark Harrill did).

[asutrnr81]

IMO...this post and thread is COMPLETELY out of line. I cannot understand where anyone can reach that conclusion based on the facts!

Go APPS!

[RankinApp]

made our school look stupid in the process !!! ...

Appalachian's own fans are doing a pretty bang up job of contributing to the stupidity. Exhibit #235