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Unfortunately, they stack up 1-W and 2-L at the moment against the Belt, with a not so good outlook the rest of the way considering who the losses are to.
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Mack Brown won also at Texas, World Class, and Mack is best coach in the history of North Carolina football regardless of college. So yes my point remains his a big program CEO, but he does struggle at football tactical things.appfanjj wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:01 amDid you really just call UNC's football program world class? That is laughable. What universe are you living in?DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:13 amLet's work on our spell check boys....appdaze wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:43 pmBelechek has coached 10 seasons without Brady and had 2 winning seasons. He isn't crap without Brady.
Dabo has been the main HC at Clemson since 09. (08 he stepped in as interim halfway through) In his first 4 seasons he won 2 bowl games with one bad season and a 36-18 record. Then he went on an 11 season streak with only two seasons with 2 conference losses, the other 9 were 1 or 0. He also grabbed two chips. This year they are 4-3 (2-3) they will probably go 3-2 to finish 7-5 (6-5) and get a bowl.
Mac Brown is overrated as hell. Mediocre year at App, Garbage at Tulane, 10 seasons at UNC only 5 were 8-4 or better and never won the conference. Goes to Texas where money and recruits were growing on trees and doesn't get more than 10 wins until his 4th year. He has a chip because what Vince Young did that year is like nothing I've ever seen before or since. After Mac crapped the bed and put Texas back so badly they still haven't recovered to national prominence. Then UNC got desperate enough to grab him back and he hasn't hit 10 wins as of yet in his second stint. Mac is not a bad coach, but very overrated.
Jerry Moore was mediocre at N Tx St. Was a hot mess at Texas Tech. He had to essentially drop down to a lower level to find success and never went back up. In his first 16 seasons he only won the conference 3 times. He got lucky in 2005 that he went along with the new wave of offense being the spread and it caught the socon off guard and we had the right players to run it that first year. Chip. Then Trey Elder has shoulder surgery in June which probably impacted his ability to throw and gets him yanked after 2 games. We all know what Armanti did after that and the recruiting frenzy it caused.
Its not a great comparison with these coaches to our current position. 3/4 of these guys got lucky as hell to have recruited/drafted generational players that forever changed their coaching legacies. Dabo is a good coach. I don't particularly like him, but he is good.
For our situation the trend is that we have added more losses each season that Clark has been the head coach. That is actually a trend. We are currently heading for a 4th season of increasing losses. That is a trend. SC has to hit the recruiting trail and find his Armanti, Brady, Watson, Young to get his own generational player, or he's probably not going to make the cut. This leads me to the true point for all these guys. It takes a hell of a lot of luck to get the right players at the right time with the right chemistry etc to win it all or run the train on the regular season and get a big bowl. There are a ton of great X's and O's coaches that get fired because they don't find that one player or that core of players that perfectly run their system. It took Jerry 24 seasons to finally find that core with the right schemes to take it to the next level. Some coaches never find that.
Good luck SC, truly, you're gonna need it.
Mack Brown is the best recruiter in college football not named Nick Saban,
Dabo is a big time lead recruiter, small time football mind --
They both are big time CEO's of World Class football programs, now neither could out coach me in my flag football league, but they know how to run a program and butter up those donors and HS coaches.
Belicheck is a football mind, but with no Tom Brady he can't out perform Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh.
I think #TeamClark reminds me of Mike Tomlin a little bit. Just a good tough dude the players like and respect.
Coach Moore landed the ASU job at the right time, moved it forward and it became more popular over the decade of the 1990's.. had some good luck happen in the 2000's for him. ASU football got better in the 2000's when many teams started to jump up to FBS and leave 1-AA (example Marshall).
Mack Brown is a good salesman / recruiter but not a big time CEO. Really?
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What has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pmI was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pmQuit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 amNo I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:21 amWhat is your point here? Do you agree that Clark was a lazy hire?DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:07 pm
well what ar you going to do about it, it ain't his last lazy hire I can promise you that.
But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
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DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pmWhat has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pmI was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pmQuit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 amNo I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:21 am
What is your point here? Do you agree that Clark was a lazy hire?
But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
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GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:58 pmI would say spellcheck would type 'No'DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pmWhat has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pmI was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pmQuit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 am
No I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.
But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
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AAC ain't reaching out to App State --- he's telling you little white lie, I already posted that Ricks, Tommy Gillin flew down to UCF, USF in 2020 and came back saying we aint close. App State can't compete with Memphis budget or whoever else is in that league. SBC is as far as App State can go.
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He had nothing to do with SunBelt expansion .He was asked his opinion , nothing more. Gill had much less than he is credited with also .DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pmWhat has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pmI was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pmQuit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 amNo I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:21 am
What is your point here? Do you agree that Clark was a lazy hire?
But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
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Just curious, does anyone have numbers for these budgets?DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pmWhat has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pmI was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pmQuit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 amNo I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:21 am
What is your point here? Do you agree that Clark was a lazy hire?
But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
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If Army said no to the AAC, they would have asked App State.
Funny thing about the UCF and USF visits is that the AAC goalposts have moved closer since 2020.
UCF is now in the Big 12 and USF is constantly stepping on lawn rakes.
Also, the ODU and JMU budget numbers are artificially inflated because state mandates. The MAF including them in that slide as apples to apples last year to show "how far behind App State is" was disingenuous and purely a fundraising ploy.
Funny thing about the UCF and USF visits is that the AAC goalposts have moved closer since 2020.
UCF is now in the Big 12 and USF is constantly stepping on lawn rakes.
Also, the ODU and JMU budget numbers are artificially inflated because state mandates. The MAF including them in that slide as apples to apples last year to show "how far behind App State is" was disingenuous and purely a fundraising ploy.
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Maybe I do not follow your comment. Did jmu and ODU get the funding... whether state mandated or not? If they did...then they got more funds for the athletic program..I may not follow what you are attempting to communicate.T-Dog wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:28 pmIf Army said no to the AAC, they would have asked App State.
Funny thing about the UCF and USF visits is that the AAC goalposts have moved closer since 2020.
UCF is now in the Big 12 and USF is constantly stepping on lawn rakes.
Also, the ODU and JMU budget numbers are artificially inflated because state mandates. The MAF including them in that slide as apples to apples last year to show "how far behind App State is" was disingenuous and purely a fundraising ploy.
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They have to include more items in their budget. Things we may also have, but are in earmarked to a different bucket. I had heard once, from someone who would know, that it included things like marching band and other items you wouldn’t think are part of an athletics department budget.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:36 pmMaybe I do not follow your comment. Did jmu and ODU get the funding... whether state mandated or not? If they did...then they got more funds for the athletic program..I may not follow what you are attempting to communicate.T-Dog wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:28 pmIf Army said no to the AAC, they would have asked App State.
Funny thing about the UCF and USF visits is that the AAC goalposts have moved closer since 2020.
UCF is now in the Big 12 and USF is constantly stepping on lawn rakes.
Also, the ODU and JMU budget numbers are artificially inflated because state mandates. The MAF including them in that slide as apples to apples last year to show "how far behind App State is" was disingenuous and purely a fundraising ploy.
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Plus ODU and mainly JMU have to lower their dependance on student athletic fees going forward. It was a condition of JMU's move set by the state. They have multiple times higher the student athletic fees App has.
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Not sure if anyone had posted this or not.... https://www.wataugademocrat.com/sports/ ... 43a3a.html
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You will find your answer in how many transfer outs did not find a place to land.Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:53 pmThis might be a question for a completely different thread but I was just wondering about our entire roster as a whole. Of the 85 players how many are (right now) legit G5 level and can/could start at either App or another quality G5 school? Surely right now it's got to be maybe a third who could not (maybe more?). If this is even a viable question and can be answered how would our total stack up against other teams in the Belt?
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Ads have very little to do with realignment. This is between the CEOs. Everts has these discussions not Gillin.DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pmWhat has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pmI was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pmQuit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 amNo I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:21 am
What is your point here? Do you agree that Clark was a lazy hire?
But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
Ucf and usf had 2 of the highest budgets in the aac. Our current budget would be in about halfway between the 6 cusa additions so we’d be in line. I agree we’re not in a position to enhance our budget to $50MM soon, but neither are any of the cusa 6 with the exception of unt, since they are willing to subsidize their AD by about 75% (App is 48% for comparisons)
Marshalls budget is about 2% higher than our for FY2022. Jmu and ODU is not apples to apples because of the way the athletic department is required to report their revenue by the state.
Someone as high up as DG would know this and be able to assess an apples to apples comparison so I’m assuming you’re just talking out your ass.
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I think instead of trying to rush us into the AAC he has had the right instinct to advise Everts we should stay in the SBC. I firmly believe we would smartly turn town any AAC invite. We are in a better league now. I would like to see evidence of him being hesitant when he found out details of their budgets. Everyone I know was glad to have both of those schools because they make for big rivalry games and will draw money in Boone.DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pmWhat has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pmI was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pmQuit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 amNo I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:21 am
What is your point here? Do you agree that Clark was a lazy hire?
But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
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I think we would have said no. I have heard we have no interest in the AAC anyway. Have you heard the same?T-Dog wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:28 pmIf Army said no to the AAC, they would have asked App State.
Funny thing about the UCF and USF visits is that the AAC goalposts have moved closer since 2020.
UCF is now in the Big 12 and USF is constantly stepping on lawn rakes.
Also, the ODU and JMU budget numbers are artificially inflated because state mandates. The MAF including them in that slide as apples to apples last year to show "how far behind App State is" was disingenuous and purely a fundraising ploy.
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I think Everts would talk to Gillin and he would advise correctly. If she is not talking moves with the AD then she would make decisions that could hurt. She wants to win but does not truly know the football landscape. I think all she knows is that she does not like Clark and wants a change.BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:28 pmAds have very little to do with realignment. This is between the CEOs. Everts has these discussions not Gillin.DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pmWhat has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pmI was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pmQuit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 am
No I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.
But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
Ucf and usf had 2 of the highest budgets in the aac. Our current budget would be in about halfway between the 6 cusa additions so we’d be in line. I agree we’re not in a position to enhance our budget to $50MM soon, but neither are any of the cusa 6 with the exception of unt, since they are willing to subsidize their AD by about 75% (App is 48% for comparisons)
Marshalls budget is about 2% higher than our for FY2022. Jmu and ODU is not apples to apples because of the way the athletic department is required to report their revenue by the state.
Someone as high up as DG would know this and be able to assess an apples to apples comparison so I’m assuming you’re just talking out your ass.
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Re: #TeamClark
Now that is one beef for sure but I am guessing that is due to lack of donations for it. Correct?