#TeamClark

Black Saturday
Posts: 10692
Joined: Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:22 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 1018 times
Been thanked: 1177 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by Black Saturday » Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:53 pm

Unfortunately, they stack up 1-W and 2-L at the moment against the Belt, with a not so good outlook the rest of the way considering who the losses are to.
BLACK SATURDAY

DenverOfTheEast
Posts: 723
Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:15 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 370 times
Been thanked: 249 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by DenverOfTheEast » Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:12 pm

appfanjj wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:01 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:13 am
appdaze wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:43 pm
Rekdiver wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:00 pm
Ever miss a sales quota? Had a bad business year? I think you catch my drift….Even Belechek has a rough patch. Dabo? Mac?
Jerry Moore? 2 years is not a trend. 3 will show the big cracks and double secret probation is invoked.
Belechek has coached 10 seasons without Brady and had 2 winning seasons. He isn't crap without Brady.

Dabo has been the main HC at Clemson since 09. (08 he stepped in as interim halfway through) In his first 4 seasons he won 2 bowl games with one bad season and a 36-18 record. Then he went on an 11 season streak with only two seasons with 2 conference losses, the other 9 were 1 or 0. He also grabbed two chips. This year they are 4-3 (2-3) they will probably go 3-2 to finish 7-5 (6-5) and get a bowl.

Mac Brown is overrated as hell. Mediocre year at App, Garbage at Tulane, 10 seasons at UNC only 5 were 8-4 or better and never won the conference. Goes to Texas where money and recruits were growing on trees and doesn't get more than 10 wins until his 4th year. He has a chip because what Vince Young did that year is like nothing I've ever seen before or since. After Mac crapped the bed and put Texas back so badly they still haven't recovered to national prominence. Then UNC got desperate enough to grab him back and he hasn't hit 10 wins as of yet in his second stint. Mac is not a bad coach, but very overrated.

Jerry Moore was mediocre at N Tx St. Was a hot mess at Texas Tech. He had to essentially drop down to a lower level to find success and never went back up. In his first 16 seasons he only won the conference 3 times. He got lucky in 2005 that he went along with the new wave of offense being the spread and it caught the socon off guard and we had the right players to run it that first year. Chip. Then Trey Elder has shoulder surgery in June which probably impacted his ability to throw and gets him yanked after 2 games. We all know what Armanti did after that and the recruiting frenzy it caused.


Its not a great comparison with these coaches to our current position. 3/4 of these guys got lucky as hell to have recruited/drafted generational players that forever changed their coaching legacies. Dabo is a good coach. I don't particularly like him, but he is good.

For our situation the trend is that we have added more losses each season that Clark has been the head coach. That is actually a trend. We are currently heading for a 4th season of increasing losses. That is a trend. SC has to hit the recruiting trail and find his Armanti, Brady, Watson, Young to get his own generational player, or he's probably not going to make the cut. This leads me to the true point for all these guys. It takes a hell of a lot of luck to get the right players at the right time with the right chemistry etc to win it all or run the train on the regular season and get a big bowl. There are a ton of great X's and O's coaches that get fired because they don't find that one player or that core of players that perfectly run their system. It took Jerry 24 seasons to finally find that core with the right schemes to take it to the next level. Some coaches never find that.

Good luck SC, truly, you're gonna need it.
Let's work on our spell check boys....

Mack Brown is the best recruiter in college football not named Nick Saban,
Dabo is a big time lead recruiter, small time football mind --

They both are big time CEO's of World Class football programs, now neither could out coach me in my flag football league, but they know how to run a program and butter up those donors and HS coaches.

Belicheck is a football mind, but with no Tom Brady he can't out perform Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh.

I think #TeamClark reminds me of Mike Tomlin a little bit. Just a good tough dude the players like and respect.

Coach Moore landed the ASU job at the right time, moved it forward and it became more popular over the decade of the 1990's.. had some good luck happen in the 2000's for him. ASU football got better in the 2000's when many teams started to jump up to FBS and leave 1-AA (example Marshall).
Did you really just call UNC's football program world class? That is laughable. What universe are you living in?
Mack Brown is a good salesman / recruiter but not a big time CEO. Really?
Mack Brown won also at Texas, World Class, and Mack is best coach in the history of North Carolina football regardless of college. So yes my point remains his a big program CEO, but he does struggle at football tactical things.

DenverOfTheEast
Posts: 723
Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:15 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 370 times
Been thanked: 249 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by DenverOfTheEast » Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 am
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:21 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:07 pm


well what ar you going to do about it, it ain't his last lazy hire I can promise you that.
What is your point here? Do you agree that Clark was a lazy hire?
No I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.

But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
Quit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.
I was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.

I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
What has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....

AppSt91
Posts: 302
Joined: Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:48 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 906 times
Been thanked: 132 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by AppSt91 » Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:25 pm

DG has yet to fix the East side concession issues either.

PhillyApp1
Posts: 1406
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:52 am
Has thanked: 3636 times
Been thanked: 648 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by PhillyApp1 » Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:26 pm

AppSt91 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:25 pm
DG has yet to fix the East side concession issues either.
Low blow

He did give us " Cups with Ice " !!!

GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool
Posts: 300
Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:16 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 455 times
Been thanked: 209 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool » Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:58 pm

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 am
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:21 am


What is your point here? Do you agree that Clark was a lazy hire?
No I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.

But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
Quit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.
I was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.

I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
What has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....
[/

The American reached out to him and he said know based off our budget.

Undoubtably the correct choice

DenverOfTheEast
Posts: 723
Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:15 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 370 times
Been thanked: 249 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by DenverOfTheEast » Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:05 pm

GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:58 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 am


No I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.

But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
Quit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.
I was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.

I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
What has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....
[/

The American reached out to him and he said know based off our budget.

Undoubtably the correct choice
I would say spellcheck would type 'No'

AAC ain't reaching out to App State --- he's telling you little white lie, I already posted that Ricks, Tommy Gillin flew down to UCF, USF in 2020 and came back saying we aint close. App State can't compete with Memphis budget or whoever else is in that league. SBC is as far as App State can go.

Stonewall
Posts: 7139
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:26 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 3458 times
Been thanked: 4312 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by Stonewall » Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:10 pm

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 am
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:21 am


What is your point here? Do you agree that Clark was a lazy hire?
No I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.

But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
Quit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.
I was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.

I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
What has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....
He had nothing to do with SunBelt expansion .He was asked his opinion , nothing more. Gill had much less than he is credited with also .

Mjohn1988
Posts: 2250
Joined: Wed May 01, 2019 10:10 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 427 times
Been thanked: 1759 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:28 pm

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 am
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:21 am


What is your point here? Do you agree that Clark was a lazy hire?
No I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.

But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
Quit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.
I was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.

I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
What has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....
Just curious, does anyone have numbers for these budgets?

User avatar
T-Dog
Posts: 6981
Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:35 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 285 times
Been thanked: 2979 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by T-Dog » Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:28 pm

If Army said no to the AAC, they would have asked App State.

Funny thing about the UCF and USF visits is that the AAC goalposts have moved closer since 2020.

UCF is now in the Big 12 and USF is constantly stepping on lawn rakes.

Also, the ODU and JMU budget numbers are artificially inflated because state mandates. The MAF including them in that slide as apples to apples last year to show "how far behind App State is" was disingenuous and purely a fundraising ploy.

BambooRdApp
Posts: 5978
Joined: Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:32 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 2306 times
Been thanked: 3944 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:36 pm

T-Dog wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:28 pm
If Army said no to the AAC, they would have asked App State.

Funny thing about the UCF and USF visits is that the AAC goalposts have moved closer since 2020.

UCF is now in the Big 12 and USF is constantly stepping on lawn rakes.

Also, the ODU and JMU budget numbers are artificially inflated because state mandates. The MAF including them in that slide as apples to apples last year to show "how far behind App State is" was disingenuous and purely a fundraising ploy.
Maybe I do not follow your comment. Did jmu and ODU get the funding... whether state mandated or not? If they did...then they got more funds for the athletic program..I may not follow what you are attempting to communicate.
Today I Give My All For Appalachian State!!
#FreeMillerHillForMoMoney!!

AppinVA
Posts: 14327
Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2000 9:41 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 3621 times
Been thanked: 3400 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by AppinVA » Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:46 pm

BambooRdApp wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:36 pm
T-Dog wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:28 pm
If Army said no to the AAC, they would have asked App State.

Funny thing about the UCF and USF visits is that the AAC goalposts have moved closer since 2020.

UCF is now in the Big 12 and USF is constantly stepping on lawn rakes.

Also, the ODU and JMU budget numbers are artificially inflated because state mandates. The MAF including them in that slide as apples to apples last year to show "how far behind App State is" was disingenuous and purely a fundraising ploy.
Maybe I do not follow your comment. Did jmu and ODU get the funding... whether state mandated or not? If they did...then they got more funds for the athletic program..I may not follow what you are attempting to communicate.
They have to include more items in their budget. Things we may also have, but are in earmarked to a different bucket. I had heard once, from someone who would know, that it included things like marching band and other items you wouldn’t think are part of an athletics department budget.
"Some people call me hillbilly. Some people call me mountain man. You can call me Appalachian. Appalachian's what I am."-- Del McCoury Band

User avatar
T-Dog
Posts: 6981
Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:35 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 285 times
Been thanked: 2979 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by T-Dog » Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:48 pm

Plus ODU and mainly JMU have to lower their dependance on student athletic fees going forward. It was a condition of JMU's move set by the state. They have multiple times higher the student athletic fees App has.

ASUTodd
Posts: 1913
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:48 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 1025 times
Been thanked: 1111 times
Contact:

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by ASUTodd » Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:56 pm

Not sure if anyone had posted this or not.... https://www.wataugademocrat.com/sports/ ... 43a3a.html

huskie3
Posts: 4600
Joined: Sat Jul 01, 2000 9:57 pm
School: Appalachian State
Location: Gaston County
Has thanked: 689 times
Been thanked: 657 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by huskie3 » Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:10 pm

Bigdaddyg1 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:53 pm
This might be a question for a completely different thread but I was just wondering about our entire roster as a whole. Of the 85 players how many are (right now) legit G5 level and can/could start at either App or another quality G5 school? Surely right now it's got to be maybe a third who could not (maybe more?). If this is even a viable question and can be answered how would our total stack up against other teams in the Belt?
You will find your answer in how many transfer outs did not find a place to land.
Bring Your A Game!

BallantyneApp
Posts: 1267
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:33 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 92 times
Been thanked: 975 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by BallantyneApp » Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:28 pm

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 am
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:21 am


What is your point here? Do you agree that Clark was a lazy hire?
No I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.

But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
Quit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.
I was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.

I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
What has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....
Ads have very little to do with realignment. This is between the CEOs. Everts has these discussions not Gillin.

Ucf and usf had 2 of the highest budgets in the aac. Our current budget would be in about halfway between the 6 cusa additions so we’d be in line. I agree we’re not in a position to enhance our budget to $50MM soon, but neither are any of the cusa 6 with the exception of unt, since they are willing to subsidize their AD by about 75% (App is 48% for comparisons)

Marshalls budget is about 2% higher than our for FY2022. Jmu and ODU is not apples to apples because of the way the athletic department is required to report their revenue by the state.

Someone as high up as DG would know this and be able to assess an apples to apples comparison so I’m assuming you’re just talking out your ass.

AppStFan1
Posts: 6912
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:37 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 967 times
Been thanked: 1874 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:17 pm

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 am
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:21 am


What is your point here? Do you agree that Clark was a lazy hire?
No I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.

But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
Quit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.
I was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.

I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
What has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....
I think instead of trying to rush us into the AAC he has had the right instinct to advise Everts we should stay in the SBC. I firmly believe we would smartly turn town any AAC invite. We are in a better league now. I would like to see evidence of him being hesitant when he found out details of their budgets. Everyone I know was glad to have both of those schools because they make for big rivalry games and will draw money in Boone.
Last edited by AppStFan1 on Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

AppStFan1
Posts: 6912
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:37 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 967 times
Been thanked: 1874 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:19 pm

T-Dog wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:28 pm
If Army said no to the AAC, they would have asked App State.

Funny thing about the UCF and USF visits is that the AAC goalposts have moved closer since 2020.

UCF is now in the Big 12 and USF is constantly stepping on lawn rakes.

Also, the ODU and JMU budget numbers are artificially inflated because state mandates. The MAF including them in that slide as apples to apples last year to show "how far behind App State is" was disingenuous and purely a fundraising ploy.
I think we would have said no. I have heard we have no interest in the AAC anyway. Have you heard the same?
Last edited by AppStFan1 on Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

AppStFan1
Posts: 6912
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:37 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 967 times
Been thanked: 1874 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:26 pm

BallantyneApp wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:28 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:16 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:24 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:06 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:52 am


No I have disagreed with you on this multiple times -- I don't think he liked any of the candidates that were out there when Drink left.... I believe Clark was correct choice, pre portal, pre Covid, pre NIL, Jerry Moore's blessing, called plays and won the Bowl game as interim coach. It was at the time a good call.

But not saying Gillin hasn't made lazy hires in other sports, that's what happens when you give him a unearned at the time fat contract in Dec/Janu 2019/2020.
Quit drinking lake water dude, my problem has always been with Gillin. I've called the Clark hire lazy. I've said the extension made zero sense. I've consistently said I didn't think he'd be here at this point. I've never one time been in the "in DG I trust" crowd.
I was under the same impression as you about the extension, at first, thinking that it was way too early but I was told that it was simply to get Clark to agree to lower the buyout so we could move on after the 2023 season if we needed to. When I heard it was financially motivated that part made sense. If that is not true though then I would 100% agree the extension was way too early.

I will say that I trust DG when it comes to conference realignment but he has made some coaching hires that I question. I think DG is the best AD we have had in a long time but you can argue we have had awful ones before him and he is just a good, solid AD but not great.
What has DG ever done with realignment, no one is calling him to invite App State in to a new conference.... He had nothing to do with the new SBC, he acted like he did, but once he found out the details of Marshall and JMU budgets he was like 'uh oh'....
Ads have very little to do with realignment. This is between the CEOs. Everts has these discussions not Gillin.

Ucf and usf had 2 of the highest budgets in the aac. Our current budget would be in about halfway between the 6 cusa additions so we’d be in line. I agree we’re not in a position to enhance our budget to $50MM soon, but neither are any of the cusa 6 with the exception of unt, since they are willing to subsidize their AD by about 75% (App is 48% for comparisons)

Marshalls budget is about 2% higher than our for FY2022. Jmu and ODU is not apples to apples because of the way the athletic department is required to report their revenue by the state.

Someone as high up as DG would know this and be able to assess an apples to apples comparison so I’m assuming you’re just talking out your ass.
I think Everts would talk to Gillin and he would advise correctly. If she is not talking moves with the AD then she would make decisions that could hurt. She wants to win but does not truly know the football landscape. I think all she knows is that she does not like Clark and wants a change.

AppStFan1
Posts: 6912
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:37 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 967 times
Been thanked: 1874 times

Re: #TeamClark

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:30 pm

AppSt91 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:25 pm
DG has yet to fix the East side concession issues either.
Now that is one beef for sure but I am guessing that is due to lack of donations for it. Correct?

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic

Return to “Appalachian Football”