Let's talk about Clark

[311neers]

Soooooo, #TeamClark is defending Clark because Roachel Laney didn't fire Moore and trashing donors outfits. Ten bucks to the first person who can connect those dots.

I've crushed you "2 Degrees from sea level (95/97)" and you can't even quote message me...weak.

I take offense to trashing donors outfits, I trashed a Wake outfit on an App State donor son.

Even former Yosef club employees had issue with this, but was too chicken poop scared to comfort Bradley Wilson holier than thou Blue Cross Blue Shield President about it...therefore long live Laney and his no booster runs the school mindset. Give an inch those elitist take a mile, bunch of Trumps on the sidelines.
little old Boone sold their soul to the big government.

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Do us all a favor and please go join the Southern board.

[appdaze]

I heard that the UNC hates App movement has been going on for decades and that money exchanges hands to try to keep App from growing beyond that little mountain town school. They even tried to infiltrate our basketball program to sabotage it. Word on the street is that they run subversive operations from Church's Suite. They could be any one of us in disguise. The only way to settle this is for y'all to meet in person to continue the discussion in this thread to make sure you aren't talking to a troll or AI plant. I also think it's the only way y'all are going to convince each other that you are right because clearly this board just isn't a convincing enough venue to proclaim such truths as self-evident.

[DenverOfTheEast]

I heard that the UNC hates App movement has been going on for decades and that money exchanges hands to try to keep App from growing beyond that little mountain town school. They even tried to infiltrate our basketball program to sabotage it. Word on the street is that they run subversive operations from Church's Suite. They could be any one of us in disguise. The only way to settle this is for y'all to meet in person to continue the discussion in this thread to make sure you aren't talking to a troll or AI plant. I also think it's the only way y'all are going to convince each other that you are right because clearly this board just isn't a convincing enough venue to proclaim such truths as self-evident.

Love this!!!!!!!!! best post of all time.

[appst89]

We could rekindle the meeting in the Food Lion parking lot. Some of y’all will remember.

[AppinVA]

We could rekindle the meeting in the Food Lion parking lot. Some of y’all will remember.

Is this the one that ended with Drip shadow boxing?

I think I’ll celebrate November 17, 2004 for old times sake.

[appst89]

We could rekindle the meeting in the Food Lion parking lot. Some of y’all will remember.

Is this the one that ended with Drip shadow boxing?

I think I’ll celebrate November 17, 2004 for old times sake.

There were two posters who were going to meet in the parking lot of the Mountain City Food Lion.

[AppinVA]

Ah, missed that one.

[Saint3333]

We could rekindle the meeting in the Food Lion parking lot. Some of y’all will remember.

Is this the one that ended with Drip shadow boxing?

I think I’ll celebrate November 17, 2004 for old times sake.

There were two posters who were going to meet in the parking lot of the Mountain City Food Lion.

MMB Thunderdome location is a Food Lion in Mountain City. Might ask Bard to draft a story using key words message board, physical fight, and Mountaineer. I mean it writes itself!

[BeauFoster]

Beau and 1 I will address you two since you guys were the first to respond. Our daughter was an App student during the Bork/Laney years, and I remember seeing the "Fire Laney" signs. I didn't really understand the reasoning at that time and I asked a couple of people who didn't know anymore than I. We did see or hear of the dissatisfied with Bork.
When did the the trouble with Laney begin, and what were the main reasons? App was going to the playoffs before and during that time. I get the point that they didn't want to do the hard work associated with moving up but there had to be other reasons weren't there?

Laney wanted to stay small time because doing anything else would have required additional work and effort on his part. Hamstringing the entire department, including the Yosef Club, meant that he always had a convenient excuse to say “we can’t do that”. He didn’t have ambition beyond being a medium fish in a small pond. He was comfortable where he was.

Bork knew this, and being one of those “athletics are a minor inconvenience of the true academic pursuit of college”, kept him in his post. Bork didn’t like athletics, he was kinda like John Bardo at WCU-he would likely have cut athletics if he could have gotten away with it. Only because we had passionate alumni who held his feet to the fire did he not go further.

If Laney were in place when App won 3 championships and beat Michigan, we wouldn’t have struck while the iron was hot and built what we built in the immediate aftermath. Cobb was a piece of shit, but he did recognize the need for improvements and got them done (even if they were hastily planned and arguably poorly implemented).

If it weren’t for Peacock and Cobb, and later DG, App athletics would be little more than a footnote in NCAA football history. This is why so many people are quick to pull the trigger on what they see as “sliding towards mediocrity” or “regressing to the mean”. We’ve come so far in a relatively short time - basically 20 years. That’s after 25 or 30 years of treading water in the shallow end. We can’t allow complacency to set in.

[BeauFoster]

We could rekindle the meeting in the Food Lion parking lot. Some of y’all will remember.

Is this the one that ended with Drip shadow boxing?

I think I’ll celebrate November 17, 2004 for old times sake.

There were two posters who were going to meet in the parking lot of the Mountain City Food Lion.

MMB Thunderdome location is a Food Lion in Mountain City. Might ask Bard to draft a story using key words message board, physical fight, and Mountaineer. I mean it writes itself!

Man I miss Chris Rhodes. He would have spun a tale about that that would have this board in stitches for weeks.

[spacemonkey]

I don't care what his son wore. The fact is that Wilson and Adcock were in power to make the move and they ushered Bork out the door and hired Peacock. They can pull for UNC as well if they want but the fact is they were instrumental in making the changes that got the ball rolling.

You are very critical of people who did the actual work. What exactly have you done besides posting on a message board and coming to games? How much money do you give to App, how long have you been involved as a fan/supporter, and were you actually involved or witnessed any of the inside things with our program? Do you have family and friends who were involved in these meetings or were you a direct witness to any of it yourself? I'm not taking potshots at you but trying to get an idea whether you have any firsthand experience as a witness or had any influence.

I like you AppState1 - I got a feeling you are an old school Christian man with King St principles.

As for this account - there are multiple people that have access, multiple people that have Appy degrees, but as far as you know and everyone else, we are truth tellers and always will be. #FrankfromFoscoe #DarrenfromDeepGap #DoughboyfromDenver

Man, bubba you lost all credibility with me when you dropped “APPY” in your comment.

PoppySeedApp you just signed up in 2020. no one cares about your opinion, I am like the radio host that hangs up on the stupid callers and you're one of those. #Click

Denver of the least, there might be someone on this board that cares what I have to say. I graduated in 1974, been a big fan since 1968, probably before you were born. No need to get personal by calling some one stupid. Don’t use APPY if you want credibility.

I am not that old and I love to be called a "Happy Appy". I don't get why that one rubs people wrong. My favorite selling point for App is it is a happy place. It always seemed like App Students weren't trying to "BE SOMEONE". Just HAPPY to be alive. Just another Happy Appy!!!!!!!!!

[DenverOfTheEast]

Beau and 1 I will address you two since you guys were the first to respond. Our daughter was an App student during the Bork/Laney years, and I remember seeing the "Fire Laney" signs. I didn't really understand the reasoning at that time and I asked a couple of people who didn't know anymore than I. We did see or hear of the dissatisfied with Bork.
When did the the trouble with Laney begin, and what were the main reasons? App was going to the playoffs before and during that time. I get the point that they didn't want to do the hard work associated with moving up but there had to be other reasons weren't there?

Laney wanted to stay small time because doing anything else would have required additional work and effort on his part. Hamstringing the entire department, including the Yosef Club, meant that he always had a convenient excuse to say “we can’t do that”. He didn’t have ambition beyond being a medium fish in a small pond. He was comfortable where he was.

Bork knew this, and being one of those “athletics are a minor inconvenience of the true academic pursuit of college”, kept him in his post. Bork didn’t like athletics, he was kinda like John Bardo at WCU-he would likely have cut athletics if he could have gotten away with it. Only because we had passionate alumni who held his feet to the fire did he not go further.

If Laney were in place when App won 3 championships and beat Michigan, we wouldn’t have struck while the iron was hot and built what we built in the immediate aftermath. Cobb was a piece of shit, but he did recognize the need for improvements and got them done (even if they were hastily planned and arguably poorly implemented).

If it weren’t for Peacock and Cobb, and later DG, App athletics would be little more than a footnote in NCAA football history. This is why so many people are quick to pull the trigger on what they see as “sliding towards mediocrity” or “regressing to the mean”. We’ve come so far in a relatively short time - basically 20 years. That’s after 25 or 30 years of treading water in the shallow end. We can’t allow complacency to set in.

had this overnight thought, must have been Laney's fought 421 and 321 stayed two lane for so long also.... Get real guys - the growth of small mountain town and football program needed a lot of good things to go right at the right time, Natty Title, Liquor by the drink law being passed, widening of roads...

I brought up Laney and gave him credit for 2 things: Not firing Moore (Which goes to my support of #TeamClark and hiring a young energetic Buzz

All those other old timer speeches and post I could care 2 poops about (AirForce1 aka AppState1)

[mike87]

I like you AppState1 - I got a feeling you are an old school Christian man with King St principles.

As for this account - there are multiple people that have access, multiple people that have Appy degrees, but as far as you know and everyone else, we are truth tellers and always will be. #FrankfromFoscoe #DarrenfromDeepGap #DoughboyfromDenver

Man, bubba you lost all credibility with me when you dropped “APPY” in your comment.

PoppySeedApp you just signed up in 2020. no one cares about your opinion, I am like the radio host that hangs up on the stupid callers and you're one of those. #Click

Denver of the least, there might be someone on this board that cares what I have to say. I graduated in 1974, been a big fan since 1968, probably before you were born. No need to get personal by calling some one stupid. Don’t use APPY if you want credibility.

I am not that old and I love to be called a "Happy Appy". I don't get why that one rubs people wrong. My favorite selling point for App is it is a happy place. It always seemed like App Students weren't trying to "BE SOMEONE". Just HAPPY to be alive. Just another Happy Appy!!!!!!!!!

Roll 'neers.

[appgrad95&97]

Denver, Opinions on Clark very. Opinions on Cobb very. Opinions on Gilian very. Opinions on Borkowski very (personally, I think he was a good Chancellor, who just didn't prioritize athletics). But no one thinks Roachel Laney was a good AD. I never thought this would be discussed. You're bringing him up shows how little you know about this University. It is stunning.

[Saint3333]

I disagree, I think it shows how much he does know about the university. He knows comments like those get clicks and responses.

Every week he further convinces me he isn't an App fan at all.

[WVAPPeer]

As I mentioned earlier our daughter was a student during the Bork years and as stated he was absent from her graduation. Here's the story, she was active around campus, always at games, etc., and one night I think it was her jr. year she was working the door for some on campus lecture./program/concert/I'm not sure what, but anyway this guy came to the door to enter and she asked him for his ID because she didn't recognize him - it was Borkowski ---
does anyone believe Peacock would have not been recognized by any student?

[Stonewall]

Despite all of the above...the two Brads were in the right place at the right time but it might be that credit needs to be disbursed more widely about.I have stated that I hold no grudge against RL and this remains true although I was directly in conflict with him and took a few "hits" from him prior to his departure.I was , however "playing the long game " and we know how that worked out. Success being the best revenge. Frank just didn't care about athletics as I read him , and was in over his head in many ways and let the stress of that take control , manifesting itself as is common knowledge. The fault of that perhaps lying more with those that put him in such a position? Someone once told me I should write a book about all of this but frankly I had forgotten about it until the past few days.In any event , there are a few things mentioned above that seem to be stated as fact that don't jive with my memory or conflict with what I believe to be true in the current state of affairs...

[DenverOfTheEast]

Denver, Opinions on Clark very. Opinions on Cobb very. Opinions on Gilian very. Opinions on Borkowski very (personally, I think he was a good Chancellor, who just didn't prioritize athletics). But no one thinks Roachel Laney was a good AD. I never thought this would be discussed. You're bringing him up shows how little you know about this University. It is stunning.

Of course onions vary, some decisions DG has made have been good, some haven't, that's leadership. As with Cobb as well.

My first interaction with Rachel Laney was not good and this was after his AD career was over, I came to know him in other walks of life around Boone and had more pleasant interactions.

My whole RL comments stand on the fact the man did NOT fire Moore before he won the big one.
If there was YosefCabin in the 90's everyone woulda been calling for Moore's head, (like all these discussions for the past 12 months about Clark) and the fact he made a very good basketball hire in Buzz Peterson.

Maybe he(RL) didn't have the big time vision, but in the 90's when you can barely win the SoCon in football and no NCAA tournament berth since the late 70's how does the leader of the department confidently say 'yes let's move up' when at the time no one was really moving up anyhow. The town of Boone wasn't ready for growth either, For Peter's sake Boone doesn't have a full service hotel.

Just like 4 years ago the Big 3 (RICKS - Sofield and DG) flew to Central Florida and came back saying we ain't ready for that jump yet!!

[appst89]

I disagree, I think it shows how much he does know about the university. He knows comments like those get clicks and responses.

Every week he further convinces me he isn't an App fan at all.

Spot on.

[DenverOfTheEast]

I disagree, I think it shows how much he does know about the university. He knows comments like those get clicks and responses.

Every week he further convinces me he isn't an App fan at all.

Spot on.

205 Post and been thanked 80 times, almost batting .500.

Not counting all the private messages telling me they support my #TeamClark position.

Common Sense and don't go along with the norm always will ruffle the feathers. Drain the Boone Swamp!!!