Jerry Moore will not return

[appst89]

Can you dislike things on this forum?

Unfortunately, we had to disable the negative rep function, but you can express your dislike in a post as long as it doesn't involve personal attacks.

[ASUPATCH]

They interviewed Elliot Sunday, doubt they had made a decision before that.

I don't doubt that they knew EXACTLY who they were going to interview and when those interviews would take place with regard to when the season ended. Having several to choose from and not having someone in mind are two totally different things.

Interviewing Sunday for a position that opened on Saturday tells me that they actually did have someone (or a group of someones) slated for this job.

I'm pretty sure that Cobb has had a list of replacements for the last year on his desk just waiting until he could interview them, after the vacancy was open.

Would it have made you happier had they interviewed potential applicants during the season?

But no one was interviewed on Sunday according to some post on this board. Or were you just saying "if."
Besides it may be that interviews can't take place until the opening is posted.

According to this article Elliott interviewed Sunday.
http://sportstalkgolive.com/index.php/2 ... ian-state/

[PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY]

http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20 ... t%7CSports

i think...in my opinion mind you, that it's the way this all was handled less than 18 hrs after last game...the change lacked tact. there should have been a better way to address the what if's scenario...i'm not going to stop supporting app but i'm damn sure not gonna stick my head in the sand and say change is constant and i'm a team player. disagree all you like...fine...but to say this is just business, time to move on glosses over the facts.

[JCline0429]

Glenn: I hardly think Cobb was in a no-win situation.

Coach Moore's dismissal had absolutely nothing to do with our off-the-field problems. As someone else pointed out, when you are the CEO of a group of 110 or so young men, problems are going to arise. Our issues were no different than hundreds of other Division I college football programs, and, truth be known, no different than our other athletic programs -- women's soccer included. Our APR rates and graduation rates in football are the highest ever. And our on-field records are still the envy of our subdivision. Those talking-points coming out of Cobb's office about this being about a slippage in the program are merely red herrings to mask the real "difference of opinion" here.

No, this is 100 percent about FBS. Cobb is the conductor, engineer, ticket collector and caboose rider on that train. Moore wanted no part of it. In a few days, we'll probably be accepted into the Sun Belt Conference, and Cobb couldn't stand the thought of sitting in that news conference with Coach Moore on the podium offering a slow clap. Cobb preferred a lapdog of a coach willing to tell the audience what a great day it was for Appalachian athletics.

No, Cobb wasn't in a no-win situation. All he had to do was be honest with us.

I haven't seen anywhere that he wasn't honest. He could have called it a retirement; he didn't. He laid it out like it was. He said there was an agreement, he said there was a difference of opinion and he made a difficult call. He may have had ulterior motives, but the truth is none of us will likely ever know that for sure. But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do? I do believe it was a no-win situation because if he does nothing and we do move to FBS then we have a lame-duck coach who doesn't really want to be there, but by making the decision he made he opened himself to all this second guessing and conspiracy theories.

I know I'm coming off as a Cobb defender here, and that isn't entirely the case. I have some issues with things he has done, chief among them the complete disaster that is our basketball program. I just don't think the blame for this situation rests solely on his shoulders. Moore bears at least as much of the blame. You're right that the CEO cannot personally supervise 110 employees, but the CEO is where the buck stops. There are enough well-documented on-the-field and off-the-field incidents in the last few years to indicate some slippage in the grip the CEO held over the organization.

I really do hate that this had to happen the way it did, but I think it did have to happen. If the Bowden and Paterno situations (not the extracurricular stuff but just the coaching part) didn't teach us anything else, it had to teach us that things cannot be allowed to linger until they become bigger problems. No, it's not pleasant and I wish it could have ended differently, but the signs were not pointing to that kind of conclusion. I guess I'm just willing to accept that it was an unpleasant decision that our leadership felt had to be made. That's why they are in those positions, and in the absence of a good reason not to, I'm going to trust that they knew what they were doing.

I hope this is a joke.

Can you dislike things on this forum?

All you have to do say you dislike something, not hide behind a neg rep point.

[JCline0429]

I must have missed the ultimatum?

I don't get the FBS point you continue to bring up either.

Could it be 78 was referring to the justification by some posters that JM couldn't successfully lead us into FBS and that being behind the change?

[JCline0429]

They interviewed Elliot Sunday, doubt they had made a decision before that.

I don't doubt that they knew EXACTLY who they were going to interview and when those interviews would take place with regard to when the season ended. Having several to choose from and not having someone in mind are two totally different things.

Interviewing Sunday for a position that opened on Saturday tells me that they actually did have someone (or a group of someones) slated for this job.

I'm pretty sure that Cobb has had a list of replacements for the last year on his desk just waiting until he could interview them, after the vacancy was open.

Would it have made you happier had they interviewed potential applicants during the season?

But no one was interviewed on Sunday according to some post on this board. Or were you just saying "if."
Besides it may be that interviews can't take place until the opening is posted.

According to this article Elliott interviewed Sunday.
http://sportstalkgolive.com/index.php/2 ... ian-state/

Wow, that was quick.

[ASUPATCH]

Lends credence to the fact the agreement was legitimate.

[JCline0429]

Lends credence to the fact the agreement was legitimate.

And an agenda...and how JM wouldn't be able to get a reprieve. I just hope JM knew about the plans.

[TheMoody1]

It sounds like all this "sports journalist" did was read this message board. He interviewed no one and presented no new information. If Tommy Bowman wrote something like this his opinion would carry way more weight than this guy.

[appst89]

Lends credence to the fact the agreement was legitimate.

And an agenda...and how JM wouldn't be able to get a reprieve. I just hope JM knew about the plans.

How is it an agenda to enforce an agreement in place for over a year?

Now, if there was no agreement last year, then the story changes considerably.

[moehler]

well, reading the article I under why this guy works for a little paper such as the Ashville times, and not a larger publication. The article is bias towards gainign sympathy towards Moore, and not presenting the facts. For example, he barely mentions the off field problems the last 3 years, and instead plays them off as minor infractions, when we all know this was some serious alligations, and the program apperared to be heading down a bad path He gives Moore credit for shaking up the staff from last year, but we all know that Cobb stepped in and forced Moore to make changes, including bringing in SS as OC, something I have heard Moore say repeatadly, that he was against hiring an OC . Look, I get that Cobb could have, from a PR standpoint, handled this better, but if we are being totally honest and fair, Moore did not make this easy for the administration, last year he fought them about making staff changes, and bring in an OC, the program was obviously in decline, and Moore still seemed to be resistent to change. It had become obvious the last 3 years that the administration was not pleased with the progress of the program, yet, during that time, Moore and the administration could not reach an agreement on how to get back to championship level. I wish it could have been handled better, but that doesnt change the facts, in my mind, that it was time for a change, and Cobb, made an unpopular decision, but the right decision.

[PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY]

It sounds like all this "sports journalist" did was read this message board. He interviewed no one and presented no new information. If Tommy Bowman wrote something like this his opinion would carry way more weight than this guy.

is this better??? here's some "new" information from the coach directly.
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ap ... 0f31a.html

[appst89]

It sounds like all this "sports journalist" did was read this message board. He interviewed no one and presented no new information. If Tommy Bowman wrote something like this his opinion would carry way more weight than this guy.

is this better??? here's some "new" information from the coach directly.
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ap ... 0f31a.html

The missing piece had been hearing from Coach Moore. Now that we have, it's not going to get any better. Our fanbase is already split and I think this insures that split will remain.

[WataugaMan]

"I know I never told him this would be my last season,” Moore said.

However, this does not mean CC did not inform him that it would be.

[TheMoody1]

It sounds like all this "sports journalist" did was read this message board. He interviewed no one and presented no new information. If Tommy Bowman wrote something like this his opinion would carry way more weight than this guy.

is this better??? here's some "new" information from the coach directly.
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ap ... 0f31a.html

Much better information. Was it a communication breakdown or is someone lying?

[ASUPATCH]

Its pretty clear from this article that he was told by KP and CC that he had one year left then walk away and JM never accepted it.

[JCline0429]

Lends credence to the fact the agreement was legitimate.

And an agenda...and how JM wouldn't be able to get a reprieve. I just hope JM knew about the plans.

How is it an agenda to enforce an agreement in place for over a year?

Now, if there was no agreement last year, then the story changes considerably.

Since the begining of the season not necessarily last year as Cobb siad it was last August. It wouldn't necessarily be negative agenda. But it might mean that one of the reasons CC and Peacock had Elliot and/or Satterfield to be the successors all along. There would be nothing wrong with that as it fits the coach in waiting concept to some extent. I just feel that JM should have been privy to that. Just my opinion.
Too, if these were the plans before JM was asked to step down, then I think it would be a negative thing.

[Rekdiver]

WWJD What would Jerry do? Jerry would tell you people to support a new coach and support the program and don't do anything to harm what he helped build. He did not do this by himself. I am sure that he thought that this could be the last year and after the last three years of internal turmoil......which culminated with his son (being a big distraction)becoming the 2nd highest paid assistant.....lack of focus on recruiting (as referenced by Brownie on the post game show)...coaches leaving and off the field issues with players........Don't get me wrong I know Jerry and I think he is a wonderful coach and person but a change was needed and Jerry did force this the way it happened by not letting this past year publicly be his last. He thought he could leverage this season into another year. We were very lucky to have an 8-4 season and it was obvious to all that the team was defficient in a number of areas that should have been strenghts after a Michigan win and 3 national championships. He got a second chance after 04 and got 7 more years and at 73 his age was becoming a factor in recruiting. Lastly I support ASU not Chancellor Peacock, not Charlie Cobb and not Jerry Moore. None are bigger than the school. People are villifying Charlie Cobb. Don't think for a second that this was his decision or the timing was his alone. Thank you Jerry for 24 wonderful years.
You will always be a part of ASU history and an example for doing it the right way. Don't ruin that with more negative comments.

[Appsolutely]

Charlie Cobb, ASU’s athletics director, said Sunday that he and Moore sat down and that they came to the decision after the conclusion of the 2011 season that the 2012 season would be Moore’s final one at ASU.

Moore said that he didn’t agree that this past season would be his last season, and that he had expressed his desire to coach another year.

“I know I never told him this would be my last season,” Moore said.

--Winston-Salem Journal (Tommy Bowman)

[Gonzo]

So either:

A) Cobb told him this was his last year and he never agreed to it.

B) One of them is lying about the whole conversation.

I'd assume A is the case. It's being discussed on one of the 4-5 threads that are basically the same.