Braxton Miller

bcoach · Unread post by **bcoach** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:07 am

I like our QB and I hope he is our future. With that said this is a lot like one and done has become in BB. You bring in the best you can and worry about next year, next year. You don't turn down better than you have.
Now as we all know it is not going to happen so I hope Duke gets him.

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:23 am

Yosef10 wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:
Yosef10 wrote:For the sake of arguing, if Braxton miller, a heisman candidate, for some reason decided he wanted to come to app state I'm pretty positive the staff would say yes in a heartbeat. And the team would be better off for that year.
And then what?
Then you play the best QB on the depth chart the following year. Taylor had a outstanding year but given the choice I think I'll go with a heisman candidate. I'm hoping he lands at duke though

You assume someone like Taylor would stay after being benched for a one and done or for that matter Caruso. Miller is a good QB but he was a Heisman candidate at OSU and wouldn't be one at ASU or Duke.
Either way, Miller under center would not increase our chances at a bowl game better than the ones we could get with what we have.

bcoach · Unread post by **bcoach** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:26 am

AppSt94 wrote:
Yosef10 wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:
Yosef10 wrote:For the sake of arguing, if Braxton miller, a heisman candidate, for some reason decided he wanted to come to app state I'm pretty positive the staff would say yes in a heartbeat. And the team would be better off for that year.
And then what?
Then you play the best QB on the depth chart the following year. Taylor had a outstanding year but given the choice I think I'll go with a heisman candidate. I'm hoping he lands at duke though
You assume someone like Taylor would stay after being benched for a one and done or for that matter Caruso. Miller is a good QB but he was a Heisman candidate at OSU and wouldn't be one at ASU or Duke.
Either way, Miller under center would not increase our chances at a bowl game better than the ones we could get with what we have.

So do you want to be the best you can be, or just good enough to get to a bowl game.

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:57 am

bcoach wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:
Yosef10 wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:
Yosef10 wrote:For the sake of arguing, if Braxton miller, a heisman candidate, for some reason decided he wanted to come to app state I'm pretty positive the staff would say yes in a heartbeat. And the team would be better off for that year.
And then what?
Then you play the best QB on the depth chart the following year. Taylor had a outstanding year but given the choice I think I'll go with a heisman candidate. I'm hoping he lands at duke though
You assume someone like Taylor would stay after being benched for a one and done or for that matter Caruso. Miller is a good QB but he was a Heisman candidate at OSU and wouldn't be one at ASU or Duke.
Either way, Miller under center would not increase our chances at a bowl game better than the ones we could get with what we have.
So do you want to be the best you can be, or just good enough to get to a bowl game.

How can Miller make us better? He is a good QB but he is coming off an injury and hasn't played in a year. What if the Miller we get is more like Jamal Jackson than the Heisman candidate? What do you think that his play would produce for us? A better chance to beat Clemson? a better chance to win the Sun Belt? Then what, a berth in the Louisiana bowl instead of the Go Daddy? The ROI on him playing here is not worth the long term affects it could have on the team. If we were losing a Senior QB and had a Freshman to take over next year then I would be all for it. But we have a Freshman starter that grew by leaps and bounds this year and I am excited to see what he can do for us.

bcoach · Unread post by **bcoach** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:28 pm

Well this is all hypothetical because it is not going to happen but here we go.
If he is more like JJ then he will be on the bench and Lamb will be playing.
If he is better than Lamb then maybe beating Clemson.
If he is better than Lamb then yes maybe the Sun Belt
Louisiana instead of GO Daddy no that would not be a factor as I see no difference between one bowl and another. It would only be a factor to win that particular bowl game just like any other.
Bottom line is that it is no different than recruiting a HS QB who is better than anyone you have. Do you not play him because of hurt feelings? I firmly believe you play the best you can get.
Again it will never happen but what else do we have to do till next fall?

Yosef10 · Unread post by **Yosef10** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:19 pm

Then you play the best QB on the depth chart the following year. Taylor had a outstanding year but given the choice I think I'll go with a heisman candidate. I'm hoping he lands at duke though[/quote]

You assume someone like Taylor would stay after being benched for a one and done or for that matter Caruso. Miller is a good QB but he was a Heisman candidate at OSU and wouldn't be one at ASU or Duke.
Either way, Miller under center would not increase our chances at a bowl game better than the ones we could get with what we have.[/quote]
So do you want to be the best you can be, or just good enough to get to a bowl game.[/quote]
How can Miller make us better? He is a good QB but he is coming off an injury and hasn't played in a year. What if the Miller we get is more like Jamal Jackson than the Heisman candidate? What do you think that his play would produce for us? A better chance to beat Clemson? a better chance to win the Sun Belt? Then what, a berth in the Louisiana bowl instead of the Go Daddy? The ROI on him playing here is not worth the long term affects it could have on the team. If we were losing a Senior QB and had a Freshman to take over next year then I would be all for it. But we have a Freshman starter that grew by leaps and bounds this year and I am excited to see what he can do for us.[/quote]

Nothing else to talk about so I'll dabble. With Braxton Im assuming we run the table save Clemson and could even sneak out a win at clemson. With an 11-1/12-0 year I don't see us in the go daddy as you keep pointing out but in a NY6 bowl game; I don't think voters could ignore the name recognition of Braxton miller leading a G5 to an 11-1 record at worst and we would be the hignest ranked G5 school. So thats my view point on that. And with all due respect to Lamb and all other QBs on the roster but if I'm them you might would have to survey the situation and realize that Braxton was the no. 2 QB recruit for a reason and was at tOSU for a reason

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:10 pm

Yosef10 wrote:Then you play the best QB on the depth chart the following year. Taylor had a outstanding year but given the choice I think I'll go with a heisman candidate. I'm hoping he lands at duke though

You assume someone like Taylor would stay after being benched for a one and done or for that matter Caruso. Miller is a good QB but he was a Heisman candidate at OSU and wouldn't be one at ASU or Duke.
Either way, Miller under center would not increase our chances at a bowl game better than the ones we could get with what we have.[/quote]
So do you want to be the best you can be, or just good enough to get to a bowl game.[/quote]
How can Miller make us better? He is a good QB but he is coming off an injury and hasn't played in a year. What if the Miller we get is more like Jamal Jackson than the Heisman candidate? What do you think that his play would produce for us? A better chance to beat Clemson? a better chance to win the Sun Belt? Then what, a berth in the Louisiana bowl instead of the Go Daddy? The ROI on him playing here is not worth the long term affects it could have on the team. If we were losing a Senior QB and had a Freshman to take over next year then I would be all for it. But we have a Freshman starter that grew by leaps and bounds this year and I am excited to see what he can do for us.[/quote]

Nothing else to talk about so I'll dabble. With Braxton Im assuming we run the table save Clemson and could even sneak out a win at clemson. With an 11-1/12-0 year I don't see us in the go daddy as you keep pointing out but in a NY6 bowl game; I don't think voters could ignore the name recognition of Braxton miller leading a G5 to an 11-1 record at worst and we would be the hignest ranked G5 school. So thats my view point on that. And with all due respect to Lamb and all other QBs on the roster but if I'm them you might would have to survey the situation and realize that Braxton was the no. 2 QB recruit for a reason and was at tOSU for a reason[/quote]
Keep in mind that Marshall was a one loss team and was still ranked behind a two loss Boise team. Going. 11-1 would be great but it doesn't guarantee a NY6 invite.

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:15 pm

Going 11-1 would be great but it doesn't guarantee a NY6 invite.

Yosef10 · Unread post by **Yosef10** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:30 pm

AppSt94 wrote:Going 11-1 would be great but it doesn't guarantee a NY6 invite.

If you would've read, I said with the name recognition of BM at QB the voters would rank us the highest G5. Never said anything about guarantees. but anyways I'm all for TL, nice hypothetical but hope BM ends up at Duke

appfanz · Unread post by **appfanz** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:19 pm

This is still a stupid thread. (Light me up)

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:41 pm

appfanz wrote:This is still a stupid thread. (Light me up)

If you find it to be stupid then why not move along and ignore. It is a hypothetical conversation and it is being debated civilly among those interested in engaging.

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:45 pm

Yosef10 wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:Going 11-1 would be great but it doesn't guarantee a NY6 invite.
If you would've read, I said with the name recognition of BM at QB the voters would rank us the highest G5. Never said anything about guarantees. but anyways I'm all for TL, nice hypothetical but hope BM ends up at Duke

I would disagree on getting a NY6 bowl on Miller's name. It might be a good story but I don't know that he could drive ratings unless we were playing Ohio State. I'm not going to say it wouldn't, I just doubt ESPN would be interested in selling it.

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:53 pm

bcoach wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:
Yosef10 wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:
Yosef10 wrote:For the sake of arguing, if Braxton miller, a heisman candidate, for some reason decided he wanted to come to app state I'm pretty positive the staff would say yes in a heartbeat. And the team would be better off for that year.
And then what?
Then you play the best QB on the depth chart the following year. Taylor had a outstanding year but given the choice I think I'll go with a heisman candidate. I'm hoping he lands at duke though
You assume someone like Taylor would stay after being benched for a one and done or for that matter Caruso. Miller is a good QB but he was a Heisman candidate at OSU and wouldn't be one at ASU or Duke.
Either way, Miller under center would not increase our chances at a bowl game better than the ones we could get with what we have.
So do you want to be the best you can be, or just good enough to get to a bowl game.

Coach, I take exception to your implying that I don't want App to be the best that it can. Based on the way this invitational tournament was formed has left doubt that the G5 team that gets the NY6 invite has more to do with ratings than team. Having said that, a larger market G5 would somehow be ranked higher than us in the end regardless of records.

bcoach · Unread post by **bcoach** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:32 pm

First of all don't get excited we are talking about a hypothetical situation that will never happen. There was no disrespect intended. With that said you made the statement that a Heisman candidate would not increase our chances at a bowl. Now I truly believe that a Heisman candidate would make us a better team regardless of making a bowl. Did I misinterpret your comment? I know you love App.

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:56 pm

Do you think he would be a Heisman candidate at App? Or say Duke? I don't. Speaking of QB's transferring, Jeff Driskalis available. Everett Oldston might be available too. He was a Heisman candidate for awhile this year. It's a hypothetical so I wouldn't offer him a schol lay based on our current situation. I understand where your coming from and your points are with merit. I just look at this differently.

bcoach · Unread post by **bcoach** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:26 pm

AppSt94 wrote:Do you think he would be a Heisman candidate at App? Or say Duke? I don't. Speaking of QB's transferring, Jeff Driskalis available. Everett Oldston might be available too. He was a Heisman candidate for awhile this year. It's a hypothetical so I wouldn't offer him a schol lay based on our current situation. I understand where your coming from and your points are with merit. I just look at this differently.

No not at App and a long shot at Duke. To be sure I am not looking for a transfer just answering the original question. I think we are in pretty good shape at that position.

bigdaddyg · Unread post by **bigdaddyg** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:51 am

Yosef10 wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:
Yosef10 wrote:For the A of arguing, if Braxton A, a heisman candidate, for some reason decided he wanted to come to A state I'm pretty positive the staff would say yes in a heartbeat. And the team would be better off for that year.
And then what?
Then you play the best QB on the depth chart the following year. A had a outstanding year but given the choice I think I'll go with a heisman candidate. I'm hoping he lands at duke though

Lots of interesting debate on this topic. I started it for a couple of reasons: 1- not much else going on in the off season, 2- for the debate. I know full well that Braxton Miller will NOT be transferring to App. I just wanted to see what you guys thought our coaching staff would do if faced with the decision. I believe we have a potentially strong QB for the next three years and by all accounts another potential starter in the wings. I don't believe that any position is a slam dunk if the player doesn't perform. I just threw out the hypothetical scenario to see what guys thought our coaching staff might do in the event a player of Miller's caliber did decide to spend a year in Boone. My hope is that he would have to absolutely earn his spot on the roster much less at the top of the depth chart. I know the comparison is not the same but Sumler didn't exactly come in and take a wideout spot just because he was originally at the Oregon powerhouse. Good discussion, thanks.

firemoose · Unread post by **firemoose** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:25 pm

bigdaddyg wrote: Lots of interesting debate on this topic. I started it for a couple of reasons: 1- not much else going on in the off season

Maybe not for you guys.

MDaniels84 · Unread post by **MDaniels84** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:01 pm

Feed us Firemoose ! We are hungry !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bigdaddyg · Unread post by **bigdaddyg** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:45 pm

firemoose wrote:
bigdaddyg wrote: Lots of interesting debate on this topic. I started it for a couple of reasons: 1- not much else going on in the off season
Maybe not for you guys.

Not much else going on....until signing day and Spring Practice! App hoops is cool, love baseball at all levels but need some football talk!

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