What’s Your Plan

[mike87]

What else am I going to do? I enjoy the process. I hate not winning but everything else, it's what I do.

My plan would be to take away Clark and Ponce's driver and 3 wood. Also any hybrid club. Make them play straight irons for about 12 months. Maybe then they will learn the importance of the short game. Bombs over Baghdad alone isn't getting it done.

[Saint3333]

The program, in conjunction with changes in the CFB landscape with NIL/TP, is at an inflection point.

If decision makers are choosing to accept below average results against our peers why should fans give more than ever to receive a worse product. This is a dangerous game to play, raise the $500k and move on.

[AppStFan1]

The program, in conjunction with changes in the CFB landscape with NIL/TP, is at an inflection point.

If decision makers are choosing to accept below average results against our peers why should fans give more than ever to receive a worse product. This is a dangerous game to play, raise the $500k and move on.

That is how many look at it and it is 100% fair to feel that way. I don't think they can expect us to lower our standard and still give more money. You lower the standard you lower the money you get.

[AppSt94]

It is a dangerous game to play and if the choice is to move on and the optics don’t change then what do you do? Say you move on and we go 3-9 next year. How long does the “no excuses” crowd put up with that level of production? There are no guarantees either way and to say that a total makeover is needed, because that’s what a coaching change is in this day and age and we don’t know if those changes are sustainable long term. If you are one that feels that we are at the crossroads where we have no choice, then OK.

[BambooRdApp]

What else am I going to do? I enjoy the process. I hate not winning but everything else, it's what I do.

My plan would be to take away Clark and Ponce's driver and 3 wood. Also any hybrid club. Make them play straight irons for about 12 months. Maybe then they will learn the importance of the short game. Bombs over Baghdad alone isn't getting it done.

Two plays to end zone...just opposite sides of field...not too hard to D. I get 8 has great hands...but ..the D knows what is coming....

[Saint3333]

Let's start here and then get to your question; if we finish 4-7 and go 3-9 next year would you support firing the staff this December, 2025, or let him finish out the contract?

[AppSt94]

Let's start here and then get to your question; if we finish 4-7 and go 3-9 next year would you support firing the staff this December, 2025, or let him finish out the contract?

It all depends on circumstances. That is where you and most others and I disagree. Records are what they are. You can be a bad football team for a whole host of reasons. Yes the coach is responsible for the program and is accountable to the record. But there are a multitude of causations that occur during a season that have to be taken into account when assessing the final product.

Coming out of last season, you identify your weaknesses and try and mitigate them with the portal. You need OL because what you were hoping to count on either transfers out, isn’t developing as you need them to or you have one pass away. We were able to gather some talent but that doesn’t automatically result in a talented line. The coach can only do so much and Cummings is a hell of a coach. You have a glaring weakness at MLB and Safety. You have two RS Freshmen that could push your starter out at MLB and they go down in weeks 2&3 with season ending injuries. You go out and get a veteran safety from the portal to take reps from that weakness and he goes out with a season ending injury.

You have the reigning conference newcomer of the year returning under center and he hasn’t looked like the same QB.

We have issues blocking, tackling overall execution of plays. Coaches don’t teach poor tackling, turnovers and missed assignments. Coaches don’t miss tackles, get out lanes or turn the ball over. I get the disappointment and frustration. Don’t get me wrong. But I also don’t get the dismissiveness of two 9 win seasons over the last 4 years. So to answer your question, if we were playing with our full complement of talent and the team seemed to be disengaged from the voice of the coaching staff then I would agree with the sentiment that it is time to move on. But as you said, it’s a difficult decision for those that have to make it and they have to way a few more factors than the record.

[Mjohn1988]

Let's start here and then get to your question; if we finish 4-7 and go 3-9 next year would you support firing the staff this December, 2025, or let him finish out the contract?

It all depends on circumstances. That is where you and most others and I disagree. Records are what they are. You can be a bad football team for a whole host of reasons. Yes the coach is responsible for the program and is accountable to the record. But there are a multitude of causations that occur during a season that have to be taken into account when assessing the final product.

Coming out of last season, you identify your weaknesses and try and mitigate them with the portal. You need OL because what you were hoping to count on either transfers out, isn’t developing as you need them to or you have one pass away. We were able to gather some talent but that doesn’t automatically result in a talented line. The coach can only do so much and Cummings is a hell of a coach. You have a glaring weakness at MLB and Safety. You have two RS Freshmen that could push your starter out at MLB and they go down in weeks 2&3 with season ending injuries. You go out and get a veteran safety from the portal to take reps from that weakness and he goes out with a season ending injury.

You have the reigning conference newcomer of the year returning under center and he hasn’t looked like the same QB.

We have issues blocking, tackling overall execution of plays. Coaches don’t teach poor tackling, turnovers and missed assignments. Coaches don’t miss tackles, get out lanes or turn the ball over. I get the disappointment and frustration. Don’t get me wrong. But I also don’t get the dismissiveness of two 9 win seasons over the last 4 years. So to answer your question, if we were playing with our full complement of talent and the team seemed to be disengaged from the voice of the coaching staff then I would agree with the sentiment that it is time to move on. But as you said, it’s a difficult decision for those that have to make it and they have to way a few more factors than the record.

Bill Parcells, “ you are what your record says you are”. From a guy who knows something about coaching football. Stop trying, 94 will never hold this coaching staff accountable, never.

[KentHogan]

Seriously, though...if Clark stays as HC with no extension, the danger isn't at the end of this season.
It's over the winter/spring as App is trying to land recruits, with a crescendo at the beginning of next season should the team get off to a slow start.

This is something many don't want to bring up. He can't come back without an extension and I don't see the BOT approving that so 2026 recruiting would be in big trouble.

With the way we’re playing and embarrassing ourselves, I would say future recruiting is already in big trouble.

[AppSt94]

Let's start here and then get to your question; if we finish 4-7 and go 3-9 next year would you support firing the staff this December, 2025, or let him finish out the contract?

It all depends on circumstances. That is where you and most others and I disagree. Records are what they are. You can be a bad football team for a whole host of reasons. Yes the coach is responsible for the program and is accountable to the record. But there are a multitude of causations that occur during a season that have to be taken into account when assessing the final product.

Coming out of last season, you identify your weaknesses and try and mitigate them with the portal. You need OL because what you were hoping to count on either transfers out, isn’t developing as you need them to or you have one pass away. We were able to gather some talent but that doesn’t automatically result in a talented line. The coach can only do so much and Cummings is a hell of a coach. You have a glaring weakness at MLB and Safety. You have two RS Freshmen that could push your starter out at MLB and they go down in weeks 2&3 with season ending injuries. You go out and get a veteran safety from the portal to take reps from that weakness and he goes out with a season ending injury.

You have the reigning conference newcomer of the year returning under center and he hasn’t looked like the same QB.

We have issues blocking, tackling overall execution of plays. Coaches don’t teach poor tackling, turnovers and missed assignments. Coaches don’t miss tackles, get out lanes or turn the ball over. I get the disappointment and frustration. Don’t get me wrong. But I also don’t get the dismissiveness of two 9 win seasons over the last 4 years. So to answer your question, if we were playing with our full complement of talent and the team seemed to be disengaged from the voice of the coaching staff then I would agree with the sentiment that it is time to move on. But as you said, it’s a difficult decision for those that have to make it and they have to way a few more factors than the record.

Bill Parcells, “ you are what your record says you are”. From a guy who knows something about coaching football. Stop trying, 94 will never hold this coaching staff accountable, never.

I didn’t hire them. I don’t have the ability to fire them nor do I have any input in their employment so what purpose does it serve for me to demand accountability? You folks are very delusional in your posturing. If you don’t agree with me then just ignore me. I was asked a legit question and I gave my opinion. If you don’t agree. Cool. Move on.

[AppSt94]

Seriously, though...if Clark stays as HC with no extension, the danger isn't at the end of this season.
It's over the winter/spring as App is trying to land recruits, with a crescendo at the beginning of next season should the team get off to a slow start.

This is something many don't want to bring up. He can't come back without an extension and I don't see the BOT approving that so 2026 recruiting would be in big trouble.

With the way we’re playing and embarrassing ourselves, I would say future recruiting is already in big trouble.

We did get our first 2026 commit yesterday.

[mike87]

Let's start here and then get to your question; if we finish 4-7 and go 3-9 next year would you support firing the staff this December, 2025, or let him finish out the contract?

It all depends on circumstances. That is where you and most others and I disagree. Records are what they are. You can be a bad football team for a whole host of reasons. Yes the coach is responsible for the program and is accountable to the record. But there are a multitude of causations that occur during a season that have to be taken into account when assessing the final product.

Coming out of last season, you identify your weaknesses and try and mitigate them with the portal. You need OL because what you were hoping to count on either transfers out, isn’t developing as you need them to or you have one pass away. We were able to gather some talent but that doesn’t automatically result in a talented line. The coach can only do so much and Cummings is a hell of a coach. You have a glaring weakness at MLB and Safety. You have two RS Freshmen that could push your starter out at MLB and they go down in weeks 2&3 with season ending injuries. You go out and get a veteran safety from the portal to take reps from that weakness and he goes out with a season ending injury.

You have the reigning conference newcomer of the year returning under center and he hasn’t looked like the same QB.

We have issues blocking, tackling overall execution of plays. Coaches don’t teach poor tackling, turnovers and missed assignments. Coaches don’t miss tackles, get out lanes or turn the ball over. I get the disappointment and frustration. Don’t get me wrong. But I also don’t get the dismissiveness of two 9 win seasons over the last 4 years. So to answer your question, if we were playing with our full complement of talent and the team seemed to be disengaged from the voice of the coaching staff then I would agree with the sentiment that it is time to move on. But as you said, it’s a difficult decision for those that have to make it and they have to way a few more factors than the record.

Bill Parcells, “ you are what your record says you are”. From a guy who knows something about coaching football. Stop trying, 94 will never hold this coaching staff accountable, never.

I'll play this. In 1971 and 1972 Marshall went 2 - 8 each year. 1970 was the plane crash. Coach's fault in those 2 years? Nobody in their right mind would say that it was. Absurdity illustrates that there are exceptions to Parcells quote. It's just opinion that determines what exceptions are good enough. The shallow opinions of "it's a bad record so fire him" are just that. Shallow opinions.

[Saint3333]

Only people on one side of the discussion should move on I see.

If your arguments don’t hold up over time perhaps you should move on and so should the program. It’s time.

[Mjohn1988]

Let's start here and then get to your question; if we finish 4-7 and go 3-9 next year would you support firing the staff this December, 2025, or let him finish out the contract?

It all depends on circumstances. That is where you and most others and I disagree. Records are what they are. You can be a bad football team for a whole host of reasons. Yes the coach is responsible for the program and is accountable to the record. But there are a multitude of causations that occur during a season that have to be taken into account when assessing the final product.

Coming out of last season, you identify your weaknesses and try and mitigate them with the portal. You need OL because what you were hoping to count on either transfers out, isn’t developing as you need them to or you have one pass away. We were able to gather some talent but that doesn’t automatically result in a talented line. The coach can only do so much and Cummings is a hell of a coach. You have a glaring weakness at MLB and Safety. You have two RS Freshmen that could push your starter out at MLB and they go down in weeks 2&3 with season ending injuries. You go out and get a veteran safety from the portal to take reps from that weakness and he goes out with a season ending injury.

You have the reigning conference newcomer of the year returning under center and he hasn’t looked like the same QB.

We have issues blocking, tackling overall execution of plays. Coaches don’t teach poor tackling, turnovers and missed assignments. Coaches don’t miss tackles, get out lanes or turn the ball over. I get the disappointment and frustration. Don’t get me wrong. But I also don’t get the dismissiveness of two 9 win seasons over the last 4 years. So to answer your question, if we were playing with our full complement of talent and the team seemed to be disengaged from the voice of the coaching staff then I would agree with the sentiment that it is time to move on. But as you said, it’s a difficult decision for those that have to make it and they have to way a few more factors than the record.

Bill Parcells, “ you are what your record says you are”. From a guy who knows something about coaching football. Stop trying, 94 will never hold this coaching staff accountable, never.

I'll play this. In 1971 and 1972 Marshall went 2 - 8 each year. 1970 was the plane crash. Coach's fault in those 2 years? Nobody in their right mind would say that it was. Absurdity illustrates that there are exceptions to Parcells quote. It's just opinion that determines what exceptions are good enough. The shallow opinions of "it's a bad record so fire him" are just that. Shallow opinions.

I’ve watch pretty much every second of every game in which Shawn Clark has been our head coach. And overall I’ve seen nothing but a steady decline. I want Shawn Clark to be the guy. I want everyone we hire to be the guy. The reasons being given for the poor performance this season didn’t start this season. They have their roots in the past 4 seasons. I’m not a knee jerk fire the guy after half a season guy. But when I see consistent, chronic issues that aren’t getting better, I say it’s time for a change. Call that shallow if you want to. And by the way the Marshall coach from 1971 only got 4 years to fix the team. And as you pointed out, look what he had to deal with.

[Mjohn1988]

Let's start here and then get to your question; if we finish 4-7 and go 3-9 next year would you support firing the staff this December, 2025, or let him finish out the contract?

It all depends on circumstances. That is where you and most others and I disagree. Records are what they are. You can be a bad football team for a whole host of reasons. Yes the coach is responsible for the program and is accountable to the record. But there are a multitude of causations that occur during a season that have to be taken into account when assessing the final product.

Coming out of last season, you identify your weaknesses and try and mitigate them with the portal. You need OL because what you were hoping to count on either transfers out, isn’t developing as you need them to or you have one pass away. We were able to gather some talent but that doesn’t automatically result in a talented line. The coach can only do so much and Cummings is a hell of a coach. You have a glaring weakness at MLB and Safety. You have two RS Freshmen that could push your starter out at MLB and they go down in weeks 2&3 with season ending injuries. You go out and get a veteran safety from the portal to take reps from that weakness and he goes out with a season ending injury.

You have the reigning conference newcomer of the year returning under center and he hasn’t looked like the same QB.

We have issues blocking, tackling overall execution of plays. Coaches don’t teach poor tackling, turnovers and missed assignments. Coaches don’t miss tackles, get out lanes or turn the ball over. I get the disappointment and frustration. Don’t get me wrong. But I also don’t get the dismissiveness of two 9 win seasons over the last 4 years. So to answer your question, if we were playing with our full complement of talent and the team seemed to be disengaged from the voice of the coaching staff then I would agree with the sentiment that it is time to move on. But as you said, it’s a difficult decision for those that have to make it and they have to way a few more factors than the record.

Bill Parcells, “ you are what your record says you are”. From a guy who knows something about coaching football. Stop trying, 94 will never hold this coaching staff accountable, never.

I didn’t hire them. I don’t have the ability to fire them nor do I have any input in their employment so what purpose does it serve for me to demand accountability? You folks are very delusional in your posturing. If you don’t agree with me then just ignore me. I was asked a legit question and I gave my opinion. If you don’t agree. Cool. Move on.

It’s a conversation between fans. I’m not delusional, I know I have no input over who our coach is. You gave your opinion and I gave mine.

[mike87]

Let's start here and then get to your question; if we finish 4-7 and go 3-9 next year would you support firing the staff this December, 2025, or let him finish out the contract?

It all depends on circumstances. That is where you and most others and I disagree. Records are what they are. You can be a bad football team for a whole host of reasons. Yes the coach is responsible for the program and is accountable to the record. But there are a multitude of causations that occur during a season that have to be taken into account when assessing the final product.

Coming out of last season, you identify your weaknesses and try and mitigate them with the portal. You need OL because what you were hoping to count on either transfers out, isn’t developing as you need them to or you have one pass away. We were able to gather some talent but that doesn’t automatically result in a talented line. The coach can only do so much and Cummings is a hell of a coach. You have a glaring weakness at MLB and Safety. You have two RS Freshmen that could push your starter out at MLB and they go down in weeks 2&3 with season ending injuries. You go out and get a veteran safety from the portal to take reps from that weakness and he goes out with a season ending injury.

You have the reigning conference newcomer of the year returning under center and he hasn’t looked like the same QB.

We have issues blocking, tackling overall execution of plays. Coaches don’t teach poor tackling, turnovers and missed assignments. Coaches don’t miss tackles, get out lanes or turn the ball over. I get the disappointment and frustration. Don’t get me wrong. But I also don’t get the dismissiveness of two 9 win seasons over the last 4 years. So to answer your question, if we were playing with our full complement of talent and the team seemed to be disengaged from the voice of the coaching staff then I would agree with the sentiment that it is time to move on. But as you said, it’s a difficult decision for those that have to make it and they have to way a few more factors than the record.

Bill Parcells, “ you are what your record says you are”. From a guy who knows something about coaching football. Stop trying, 94 will never hold this coaching staff accountable, never.

I'll play this. In 1971 and 1972 Marshall went 2 - 8 each year. 1970 was the plane crash. Coach's fault in those 2 years? Nobody in their right mind would say that it was. Absurdity illustrates that there are exceptions to Parcells quote. It's just opinion that determines what exceptions are good enough. The shallow opinions of "it's a bad record so fire him" are just that. Shallow opinions.

I’ve watch pretty much every second of every game in which Shawn Clark has been our head coach. And overall I’ve seen nothing but a steady decline. I want Shawn Clark to be the guy. I want everyone we hire to be the guy. The reasons being given for the poor performance this season didn’t start this season. They have their roots in the past 4 seasons. I’m not a knee jerk fire the guy after half a season guy. But when I see consistent, chronic issues that aren’t getting better, I say it’s time for a change. Call that shallow if you want to. And by the way the Marshall coach from 1971 only got 4 years to fix the team. And as you pointed out, look what he had to deal with.

That makes more sense than just record. I don't disagree but I know what I don't know

[AppSt94]

Only people on one side of the discussion should move on I see.

If your arguments don’t hold up over time perhaps you should move on and so should the program. It’s time.

I know that it’s hard to just agree to disagree. It’s a common trait of a narcissist. You are who you are.

[Stonewall]

Circumstances beyond a coaches control should be a consideration. Our meltdown two years ago , the abysmal start but strong finish last season , then whatever happened pre and post storm. My opinion, this season will not get Shawn dismissed. The body of work over his five year tenure probably should short of factors I’m not aware of. Again just my opinion.

[Yosefus]

My plan is to gripe and complain about the failures of the program. I dont have any means to effect the change of leadership or lack of change. I will say I would have fired the guy last year if he worked for me and paid off his severance and live with that decision. But he doesn't work for me. Waiting too long will impact the program for the next decade.

[Saint3333]

Only people on one side of the discussion should move on I see.

If your arguments don’t hold up over time perhaps you should move on and so should the program. It’s time.

I know that it’s hard to just agree to disagree. It’s a common trait of a narcissist. You are who you are.

I've already pointed out you debate like a classic narcissist, you've learned to get ahead of that, shows progress. I'm just proud you haven't resorted to insults yet. But we all know once you do you will never apologize for it (Mountainman is waiting).

You asked others to move on, but you aren't willing to do so. Narcissist according to you...

You are who we thought you were.