A look at Quarterback

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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by JCline0429 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:57 am

Yosef84 wrote:I'm not sure why we should be alarmed about the QB position at this point. JJ returns for 2013. Barnes and Hallock are both Sophomores, and Bryant is a Freshman. All of them will be back in 2014. I've always heard (and believe it's a good rule) that we should recruit a strong QB in every class and I imagine we will continue to do that even if we wind up moving them to another position at some later point. Just my opinion, but I think we are loaded with talent at the QB position, especially for an FCS program.

Hallock might have been #4 on the depth chart (beginning of the year) but completing 20 of 21 attempts in his first start is pretty darn impressive. Yeah, it was against a "less than stellar" WCU program, but even they are improving and they were highly motivated.

Our QB doesn't have to be able to run like AE but he does need to be mobile and a legit running threat. I think all three of these guys meet that criteria.

Just my opinion, but I think the future looks bright at QB.
Good post. Rep point.
20 of 21 against any opponent is remarkable.
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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by GlassOnion » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:49 pm

JCline0429 wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:We don't have a history of keeping our foot on the throttle. If we change that it will lead for for opportunities to play backups.

Seems like we didn't take our foot off the gas when we hung 70 and 49 on Wofford, 79 on WCU, 49 and 42 vs Elon, 52 on Georgia Southern, 49 on Chat, 52 on Furman, 55 on Coastal, 45 on Citadel, 58 on A&T, etc etc.
Many times posters on here have accused the staff of letting up when we exhausted our selves in the first half of scoring, or the opponnet corrected itself agains our best plays from the first half and we had to adjust the play calling in the second half. That happens to many teams. I agree we have let up in games that ended up close, but there is more of a pattern of not doing so.
There is room for criticism of not subbing QB's enough. We just didn't have the luxury of doing that much this year.
You can claim whatever you like, but Saint is absolutely correct, and Im sure many of us know it despite whatever numbers you post, because we saw it happen.

Most of the games you listed App shot out to a lead, called off the dogs, had the other team come back and nearly tie it, THEN App was able to finally get the offense going late to pull it out.

The problem with JM is whenever he gets a 10+ point lead, he wants to run it 100% of the time, even when App had no run game, and whenever the defense gets a stop, even if they've already given up 500 yards in the game, he'll run run run punt, and leave it to the defense to win the game.

Case in point, playing for over time with Ill. St.

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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by JCline0429 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:15 pm

I'll take my scores over the suppositions.
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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by GlassOnion » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:06 pm

JCline0429 wrote:I'll take my scores over the suppositions.
Those scores are a number on a page, nothing more.

Making an argument about a game with 1 number off of a page seems more like a supposition than having watched the game, in many cases multiple times, seeing the plays, results, and coming to a conclusion. Dont you suppose? :roll:

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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by JCline0429 » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:04 am

GlassOnion wrote:
JCline0429 wrote:I'll take my scores over the suppositions.
Those scores are a number on a page, nothing more.

Making an argument about a game with 1 number off of a page seems more like a supposition than having watched the game, in many cases multiple times, seeing the plays, results, and coming to a conclusion. Dont you suppose? :roll:

How did a team who puts up 70 or 79 points take their foot off the gas.
I watched the games,too and seldom saw the team losing control by going to a less aggressive plan. They proved that by being able to resume their scoring onslaught. Notice I said "seldom." I think that listing games in which the team put up 50 to 79 points my point.
But of course I'm not one of those who criticizes Jerry Moore for every decision he made.
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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by bcoach » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:24 am

JCline0429 wrote:
GlassOnion wrote:
JCline0429 wrote:I'll take my scores over the suppositions.
Those scores are a number on a page, nothing more.

Making an argument about a game with 1 number off of a page seems more like a supposition than having watched the game, in many cases multiple times, seeing the plays, results, and coming to a conclusion. Dont you suppose? :roll:

How did a team who puts up 70 or 79 points take their foot off the gas.
I watched the games,too and seldom saw the team losing control by going to a less aggressive plan. They proved that by being able to resume their scoring onslaught. Notice I said "seldom." I think that listing games in which the team put up 50 to 79 points my point.
But of course I'm not one of those who criticizes Jerry Moore for every decision he made.
When you put up numbers like that you should be able to turn off the ignition. That is a defensive not an offensive problem. When you put up 70 you need to win by 49.

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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by GlassOnion » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:07 am

JCline0429 wrote: How did a team who puts up 70 or 79 points take their foot off the gas.
I watched the games,too and seldom saw the team losing control by going to a less aggressive plan. They proved that by being able to resume their scoring onslaught. Notice I said "seldom." I think that listing games in which the team put up 50 to 79 points my point.
But of course I'm not one of those who criticizes Jerry Moore for every decision he made.
And you'd be wrong.

Look no further than The Citadel game 2011. App put up 14, 21, 14 in the first 3 quarters, The Citadel put up 28 in the second half, App never scored in the 4th and hung on by its teeth.

How about one where it cost us the game? James Madison 2008. Apps up 21-0 at the half, App's put up 11 in the 2nd half, JMU 35.

Another? Eastern Washington 2007. App jumps out to big lead, throttles back, EWU comes out of the break and hangs 28 on us, Apps hangon by teeth once again.

And putting up scores from Western Carolina an NC A&T is like Alabama posting its stats against an FCS team. It means jack squat when they're putting a Division 2 product on the field and you cant help but score on them.

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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by JCline0429 » Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:01 pm

Anecdotal just like my post.
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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by asutrnr81 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:35 am

JCline0429 wrote:Anecdotal just like my post.
...or is that antidote(al) :D :D :D :D

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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by JCline0429 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:27 pm

asutrnr81 wrote:
JCline0429 wrote:Anecdotal just like my post.
...or is that antidote(al) :D :D :D :D

Go APPS
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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by Saint3333 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:32 pm

Cline as usual we will have to agree to disagree. It's ok you're typically wrong. ;)

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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by JCline0429 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:47 pm

Saint3333 wrote:Cline as usual we will have to agree to disagree. It's ok you're typically wrong. ;)
IYOp. :)
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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by asumike83 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:59 pm

GlassOnion wrote:How about one where it cost us the game? James Madison 2008. Apps up 21-0 at the half, App's put up 11 in the 2nd half, JMU 35.
I don't disagree with the notion that we have gotten conservative at times after getting a lead but in some instances, like the 2008 JMU game, it was a case of the other team making adjustments and hitting us in the mouth as opposed to us letting up.

After going up 21-0 at the half, JMU ran the opening kickoff back 100 yards for a TD, got a stop and then Landers broke off a long TD run to make it 21-14 in a span of about 2 minutes. We certainly weren't sitting on a 7-point lead on the road against the #1 team in the nation with nearly a full half to play, they just flat out beat us.

Coach Moore made his share of mistakes like most coaches but sometimes the opponent just out plays you. We've been on the other end of many similar second half comebacks at KBS.

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Re: A look at Quarterback

Unread post by JCline0429 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:03 pm

asumike83 wrote:
GlassOnion wrote:How about one where it cost us the game? James Madison 2008. Apps up 21-0 at the half, App's put up 11 in the 2nd half, JMU 35.
I don't disagree with the notion that we have gotten conservative at times after getting a lead but in some instances, like the 2008 JMU game, it was a case of the other team making adjustments and hitting us in the mouth as opposed to us letting up.

After going up 21-0 at the half, JMU ran the opening kickoff back 100 yards for a TD, got a stop and then Landers broke off a long TD run to make it 21-14 in a span of about 2 minutes. We certainly weren't sitting on a 7-point lead on the road against the #1 team in the nation with nearly a full half to play, they just flat out beat us.

Coach Moore made his share of mistakes like most coaches but sometimes the opponent just out plays you. We've been on the other end of many similar second half comebacks at KBS.
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