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Time for new Defensive Coordinator
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
Can't blame everything on Dale Jones. Give him a year working with SS instead of JM and see how it goes. There may have been many adjustments he wanted to make but had his hands tied by a conservative JM. Also lots of personell issues/injuries and lost talent last year. A fresh approach and a different set of eyes at the top might make a big difference.
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
SS has an idea of what is working and what is not...Whoever he decides to keep and replace is fine with me. He has already exhibited the kind of aggressive leadership re: recruiting we've been missing. He knows what is at stake for him and the program. It's business now not personal.
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
Heard Tanyi was Colorado State's MVP.AppGrad78 wrote:DL/LB Lanston Tanyi
DL/LB John Rizor
LB Justin Wray
DB Doug Middleton
DB Dante Blackmon
All five were projected starters and all five were gone by the end of the ECU game. We had high hopes for the defense after last season, but was it realisitic to think we could be as good given those losses?
You guys in the "let's fire a coach every time one part of the team doesn't perform to expectations" crowd puzzle me. A few years ago it was John Wiley. Now a lot of folks would like him back. Two years ago it was Scot Sloan. Now he has our recruiting headed in the right direction and criticism of him has dialed back. Yeah, Chris Moore and Bob McLain needed to go. But Dale Jones has a long history of solid work for the Black & Gold. Let's let Scott Satterfield sort out the coaching staff without help from us armchair quarterbacks.
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
The fact that jones cares more about paying a favor to his TN teammate by playing his son at nt that only had 18 tackles in 12 games is disturbing
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
Bigdaddy wrote:The fact that jones cares more about paying a favor to his TN teammate by playing his son at nt that only had 18 tackles in 12 games is disturbing
And you know this how?
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
Bigdaddy wrote:The fact that jones cares more about paying a favor to his TN teammate by playing his son at nt that only had 18 tackles in 12 games is disturbing
Really? That's a "fact?" Wow, you must really be in the know.

Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
78, I always appreciate your perspective. I will provide mine though! Tanyi and Wray were not expected to play for ASU this past season. Yes, they were major losses but ASU and us fans should have been expecting to play without them throughout calendar year 2012. Our defense had youth but also maintained great experience with Kimbrough, Grier, Sanders and McCray. I agree that we did not have the depth of defensive personnel to dominate, but still feel we should have played better on D over the course of the season.AppGrad78 wrote:DL/LB Lanston Tanyi
DL/LB John Rizor
LB Justin Wray
DB Doug Middleton
DB Dante Blackmon
All five were projected starters and all five were gone by the end of the ECU game. We had high hopes for the defense after last season, but was it realisitic to think we could be as good given those losses?
You guys in the "let's fire a coach every time one part of the team doesn't perform to expectations" crowd puzzle me. A few years ago it was John Wiley. Now a lot of folks would like him back. Two years ago it was Scot Sloan. Now he has our recruiting headed in the right direction and criticism of him has dialed back. Yeah, Chris Moore and Bob McLain needed to go. But Dale Jones has a long history of solid work for the Black & Gold. Let's let Scott Satterfield sort out the coaching staff without help from us armchair quarterbacks.
I'm one to call it like I see it - good or bad. I am admittedly not a big Dale Jones fan. Our defense has trended down for 3 straight years and I'm evaluating him over his extended time as a coach at ASU. If I were head coach, I would want someone else to handle DC responsibilities. Despite not being my choice as DC, I'll certainly be pulling for him and his unit to succeed in 2013. I did like Wiley and never gave up on Sloan though. And I agree - Sloan has done an exceptional job in his recruiting role.
I look forward to the Satterfield era. He overachieved as a player and developed rapidly as a coach. Hopefully, he can make the right decisions as a head coach. I thought he did a good job last year with his influence on staffing additions for 2012 and getting productivity on offense despite an OL that is improving but still struggling. Go Apps!
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
What does this show us other than I'm thirsty for a Coke now?Bigdaddy wrote:http://diglib.lib.utk.edu/fbpro/main.php?bid=148&pg=60
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
I am thirsty now that you mention it.HighPointApp wrote:What does this show us other than I'm thirsty for a Coke now?Bigdaddy wrote:http://diglib.lib.utk.edu/fbpro/main.php?bid=148&pg=60
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
HighPointApp wrote:What does this show us other than I'm thirsty for a Coke now?Bigdaddy wrote:http://diglib.lib.utk.edu/fbpro/main.php?bid=148&pg=60
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
Apparently, he thinks it shows that our defensive coordinator, who's job depends on his unit's success on the field, cares more about playing an old friends kid rather than putting the best players on the field. I think it shows that he's an idiot.HighPointApp wrote:What does this show us other than I'm thirsty for a Coke now?Bigdaddy wrote:http://diglib.lib.utk.edu/fbpro/main.php?bid=148&pg=60
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There's no thinking this, he has proven your statement correct.AppinATL wrote:Apparently, he thinks it shows that our defensive coordinator, who's job depends on his unit's success on the field, cares more about playing an old friends kid rather than putting the best players on the field. I think it shows that he's an idiot.HighPointApp wrote:What does this show us other than I'm thirsty for a Coke now?Bigdaddy wrote:http://diglib.lib.utk.edu/fbpro/main.php?bid=148&pg=60
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
No ur the idiot for thinking that politics dont happen in college football and that jones isnt susceptible.
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Before you call someone an idiot you should understand that "who's" is a contraction for who is. Next time try whose. Your mammy learned you good!
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
IMO DJ should be replaced.
DJ has had 3 years to right the ship. One can claim injuries, youth, off-field issues, etc., etc. but he has been here long enough to OWN the results by now. DJ could have/should have recruited enough talent to run his type of defense. He should have brought in enough kids to deal with some injuries. He should have coached the players to tackle better, cover better, etc., etc. When you are DC then you own the entire package. He has been here long enough to be accountable for complete performance. The facts prove that his defense is going in the wrong direction, not improving. At what point do you call it over? Maybe DJ gets another year and possibly improves some. So you get us from #90 to #50, is that satisfactory? I don't think so. He may be a good position coach but IMO has proven he does not have what it takes to be the DC.
There is no better time to make a move than now that SS is taking over. He should start with a clean slate on defense. The facts back him up. If DJ has more years on his contract then bring in a new DC and move him back to a position coach. When you are the man (HC) you have to be willing to make the tough choices. If your friend is not cutting it then you have to find a graceful way to handle the situation. SS does not have to be a jerk but he does have to have the balls to make the tough decisions.
However, whatever Sat decides, I will support him. He will own the decision either way. He has to live or die on his terms.
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DJ has had 3 years to right the ship. One can claim injuries, youth, off-field issues, etc., etc. but he has been here long enough to OWN the results by now. DJ could have/should have recruited enough talent to run his type of defense. He should have brought in enough kids to deal with some injuries. He should have coached the players to tackle better, cover better, etc., etc. When you are DC then you own the entire package. He has been here long enough to be accountable for complete performance. The facts prove that his defense is going in the wrong direction, not improving. At what point do you call it over? Maybe DJ gets another year and possibly improves some. So you get us from #90 to #50, is that satisfactory? I don't think so. He may be a good position coach but IMO has proven he does not have what it takes to be the DC.
There is no better time to make a move than now that SS is taking over. He should start with a clean slate on defense. The facts back him up. If DJ has more years on his contract then bring in a new DC and move him back to a position coach. When you are the man (HC) you have to be willing to make the tough choices. If your friend is not cutting it then you have to find a graceful way to handle the situation. SS does not have to be a jerk but he does have to have the balls to make the tough decisions.
However, whatever Sat decides, I will support him. He will own the decision either way. He has to live or die on his terms.
Go Apps!
Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
hope SS sits down with Jones and lets him know that he needs to see significent improvement next year, or....
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
Bigdaddy wrote:No ur the idiot for thinking that politics dont happen in college football and that jones isnt susceptible.
These two posts are incredibly hilarious:Bigdaddy wrote:Before you call someone an idiot you should understand that "who's" is a contraction for who is. Next time try whose. Your mammy learned you good!
1) What is "ur?" Are you referring to an ancient city-state? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur If so, it should be capitalized, "Ur." If not, then "ur" is not a word. If it is teenage text-speak, then that is sad.
2) Speaking of contractions, "dont" is missing something to make the words "do not" into a contraction, and that is an apostrophe: "don't."
3) When using a person's name, even their last name, it should be capitalized. Therefore, "jones" is incorrect as it should be "Jones."
4) Speaking of contractions, "isnt" is missing something to make the words "is not" into a contraction, and that is an apostrophe: "isn't."
Now, I don't condone name calling because presumably we're all adults and have put recess behind us. With that said, calling out someone for grammatical errors, while posting with several grammatical errors is a bit hypocritical and quite funny. It's also probably best to leave peoples "mammys" out of it.
Lastly, you received rather terse responses because you tried to pass assumptions and speculation off as facts. While the MMB is just a message board, people tend to expect you to clarify and/or provide any definitive proof that you may have of statements that you attempt to pass off as fact.
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
You guys are nuts if you think Scott is going to fire his buddy Jones, esp with 2 years left on his contracft. The best we can hope for is he finally gets his dream job at UT.
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Re: Time for new Defensive Coordinator
Didn't realize I signed up for English Grammar 101. Hope there isn't a pop quiz coming.ASUMountaineer wrote:Bigdaddy wrote:No ur the idiot for thinking that politics dont happen in college football and that jones isnt susceptible.These two posts are incredibly hilarious:Bigdaddy wrote:Before you call someone an idiot you should understand that "who's" is a contraction for who is. Next time try whose. Your mammy learned you good!
1) What is "ur?" Are you referring to an ancient city-state? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur If so, it should be capitalized, "Ur." If not, then "ur" is not a word. If it is teenage text-speak, then that is sad.
2) Speaking of contractions, "dont" is missing something to make the words "do not" into a contraction, and that is an apostrophe: "don't."
3) When using a person's name, even their last name, it should be capitalized. Therefore, "jones" is incorrect as it should be "Jones."
4) Speaking of contractions, "isnt" is missing something to make the words "is not" into a contraction, and that is an apostrophe: "isn't."
Now, I don't condone name calling because presumably we're all adults and have put recess behind us. With that said, calling out someone for grammatical errors, while posting with several grammatical errors is a bit hypocritical and quite funny. It's also probably best to leave peoples "mammys" out of it.
Lastly, you received rather terse responses because you tried to pass assumptions and speculation off as facts. While the MMB is just a message board, people tend to expect you to clarify and/or provide any definitive proof that you may have of statements that you attempt to pass off as fact.
Consider this ASUMountaineer's public service announcement.
No Generation Has The Right To Contract Debts Greater Than Can Be Paid Off During It's Own Existence.
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