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Re: Attendance Stat

Unread post by yosef13 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:12 pm

EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:59 pm
Let me pose this question to those who are anti-lawn seating: What is it that bothers you so much about OTHER PEOPLE sitting there?

For all the posts that make it sound like some kind of uninhabitable hellscape, many fans choose to sit there every week, despite most games having plentiful reserved seats sitting empty. So, as unfathomable as it may be to you, some people clearly enjoy and even prefer that experience.
No issue. That's why I propose and smaller hill closer to the end zone. 20% of the people at the game Saturday did not have a seat. 28% of the people at the Wake game did not have seat. I have a hard time believing 100% of these people prefer that. This is a problem that we need to work on now. We simply need more seats. There is overwhelming data that suggests this.
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Re: Attendance Stat

Unread post by Appstate88 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:20 pm

The hill seating should never change. Having a grass hill helps to frame one of the most picturesque stadiums in FBS.

Suggestions for changes beginning next season (2018) or until we remove track and build north end zone project.

1. Put our band back in the permanent stands and mic them up. Recommend the home side section 101-102.
2. Use the grass hill for additional student seating only, no general admission.
3. Sell General Admission tickets for the bleacher seating in the north end zone.
4. If the north end zone sells out of General Admission seats then you can then sell standing room only to anybody else to stand above the bank in the south end zone until we reach max capacity.
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Unread post by Rick83 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:21 pm

EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:59 pm
Let me pose this question to those who are anti-lawn seating: What is it that bothers you so much about OTHER PEOPLE sitting there?

For all the posts that make it sound like some kind of uninhabitable hellscape, many fans choose to sit there every week, despite most games having plentiful reserved seats sitting empty. So, as unfathomable as it may be to you, some people clearly enjoy and even prefer that experience.
There weren't any more reserved seats for sale Saturday, they only had a few scattered singles available. That's 2 of the 6 home games that we've sold out of the reserved seats. Can you imagine how many people would come up for a Sun Belt Conference Championship game, if we won the right to host it, and we were playing Troy or Ark St.? And how would it have looked to recruits to have had 40K+ for the Wake and Miami games? I know we disagree, as we've debated this before, I just feel like we're not meeting the demand that's already there and will be even greater once we start hosting more regional games. Yes, some people like the hill, no disagreement there.

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:30 pm

Until anything major can be done why not set up the South Endzone same as the North? - there would still be some hill space at the top and those bleachers would be right down on the back of the end zone just like at the other end ---
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Re: Attendance Stat

Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:30 pm

Rick83 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:21 pm
EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:59 pm
Let me pose this question to those who are anti-lawn seating: What is it that bothers you so much about OTHER PEOPLE sitting there?

For all the posts that make it sound like some kind of uninhabitable hellscape, many fans choose to sit there every week, despite most games having plentiful reserved seats sitting empty. So, as unfathomable as it may be to you, some people clearly enjoy and even prefer that experience.
There weren't any more reserved seats for sale Saturday, they only had a few scattered singles available. That's 2 of the 6 home games that we've sold out of the reserved seats. Can you imagine how many people would come up for a Sun Belt Conference Championship game, if we won the right to host it, and we were playing Troy or Ark St.? And how would it have looked to recruits to have had 40K+ for the Wake and Miami games? I know we disagree, as we've debated this before, I just feel like we're not meeting the demand that's already there and will be even greater once we start hosting more regional games. Yes, some people like the hill, no disagreement there.
Right, Saturday was a great crowd. It had little to do with the opponent and everything to do with selling tickets to students' families at a discount. But again, if we were packing in 30,000+ regularly, this is a different discussion.

I'm not sure what the crowd would look like for a Sun Belt championship game. I'm a bit skeptical given the time of year, the short notice, the broadcast TV coverage and the fact that Sun Belt games do not seem to hold any sort of special interest for our fan base. But who knows, maybe people would get fired up for that. Hopefully we find out next year.

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Unread post by hapapp » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:38 pm

I don't think lowering the field is economically feasible.

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Unread post by Rick83 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:44 pm

EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:30 pm
Rick83 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:21 pm
EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:59 pm
Let me pose this question to those who are anti-lawn seating: What is it that bothers you so much about OTHER PEOPLE sitting there?

For all the posts that make it sound like some kind of uninhabitable hellscape, many fans choose to sit there every week, despite most games having plentiful reserved seats sitting empty. So, as unfathomable as it may be to you, some people clearly enjoy and even prefer that experience.
There weren't any more reserved seats for sale Saturday, they only had a few scattered singles available. That's 2 of the 6 home games that we've sold out of the reserved seats. Can you imagine how many people would come up for a Sun Belt Conference Championship game, if we won the right to host it, and we were playing Troy or Ark St.? And how would it have looked to recruits to have had 40K+ for the Wake and Miami games? I know we disagree, as we've debated this before, I just feel like we're not meeting the demand that's already there and will be even greater once we start hosting more regional games. Yes, some people like the hill, no disagreement there.
Right, Saturday was a great crowd. It had little to do with the opponent and everything to do with selling tickets to students' families at a discount. But again, if we were packing in 30,000+ regularly, this is a different discussion.

I'm not sure what the crowd would look like for a Sun Belt championship game. I'm a bit skeptical given the time of year, the short notice, the broadcast TV coverage and the fact that Sun Belt games do not seem to hold any sort of special interest for our fan base. But who knows, maybe people would get fired up for that. Hopefully we find out next year.
I hear what you're saying. I believe that as our fan base learns more about the Sun Belt teams there will be more interest, it's just going to take a little time I guess.

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Re: Attendance Stat

Unread post by Rick83 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:44 pm

hapapp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:38 pm
I don't think lowering the field is economically feasible.
Why?

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Unread post by appgrad95&97 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:50 pm

I think it is silly to talk about spending a cent on stadium expansion until we draw 150K for two consecutive years. I bet we don't hit 115 next year. (I know saying anything remotely negative makes me a troll.)

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Unread post by yosef13 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:50 pm

At the end of the day, are we proactive or reactive? The problem with being too proactive is you can expand based on speculation. The problem with being too reactive is you miss on potential opportunities. It appears to me that we have been too reactive, based on the data. Again if we add 4k we are still at 100% capacity based on our recent averages. This would not be speculatory expansion.

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Unread post by jm18668 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:06 pm

I think we need to actively plan toward the future where we can have a 40,000 person stadium, and fill it on a regular basis. I don't think our program has gotten to the point of acting on that plan and I don't think we will get there under the current conference set up. I think for us to seriously consider launching a capital campaign to fund stadium expansion, we need to get a much larger season ticket holder base. I'm not sure expanding to sell tickets for 1-2 higher demand games per year would make fiscal sense.

I also don't know if we could handle additional seating without some drastic improvements to our infrastructure. Bathrooms are at capacity, concessions, seem to hold their own, except for the traffic issues created at halftime. The Wake Forest game emphasized how difficult it is to empty 1/2 the stadium through one gate.

If you don't have season tickets and can't afford them or can't make all the games, pair up with some friends and split them up. That's the support our Mountaineers need to keep moving to the next level.
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Re: Attendance Stat

Unread post by yosef13 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:13 pm

EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:30 pm
Rick83 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:21 pm
EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:59 pm
Let me pose this question to those who are anti-lawn seating: What is it that bothers you so much about OTHER PEOPLE sitting there?

For all the posts that make it sound like some kind of uninhabitable hellscape, many fans choose to sit there every week, despite most games having plentiful reserved seats sitting empty. So, as unfathomable as it may be to you, some people clearly enjoy and even prefer that experience.
There weren't any more reserved seats for sale Saturday, they only had a few scattered singles available. That's 2 of the 6 home games that we've sold out of the reserved seats. Can you imagine how many people would come up for a Sun Belt Conference Championship game, if we won the right to host it, and we were playing Troy or Ark St.? And how would it have looked to recruits to have had 40K+ for the Wake and Miami games? I know we disagree, as we've debated this before, I just feel like we're not meeting the demand that's already there and will be even greater once we start hosting more regional games. Yes, some people like the hill, no disagreement there.
Right, Saturday was a great crowd. It had little to do with the opponent and everything to do with selling tickets to students' families at a discount. But again, if we were packing in 30,000+ regularly, this is a different discussion.

I'm not sure what the crowd would look like for a Sun Belt championship game. I'm a bit skeptical given the time of year, the short notice, the broadcast TV coverage and the fact that Sun Belt games do not seem to hold any sort of special interest for our fan base. But who knows, maybe people would get fired up for that. Hopefully we find out next year.
Waiting to expand KBS when we draw 30k regularly would be like the DOT waiting to widen the Interstate until it's congested all the time.

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Unread post by SayYesToTheRock » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:31 pm

Rick83 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:44 pm
hapapp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:38 pm
I don't think lowering the field is economically feasible.
Why?
Underneath the field lies solid rock that would have to be blasted away. It is my understanding that using dynamite that close to the stadium would be highly risky, as well as expensive.

Plus, I believe there is a stream that runs beneath the field as well.

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Re: Attendance Stat

Unread post by appchicago » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:34 pm

mountaineerman wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:45 pm
Maybe I’m wrong ..but I can pretty much guess that there is zero fans rolling into Boone that would prefer to sit on a damp hill half a mile away from the field. Maybe some 8-10 year old kids ?
Our kids are 2 and 3, and this weekend was the little one’s first App game. We never would have made it through if not for the Hill. We’ll sit there every time we bring them.

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Re: Attendance Stat

Unread post by /\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:58 pm

When this becomes a topic after every home game, each year, even after November games, on a consistent basis then I think it's worth the athletic department taking a look.
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Unread post by /\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:01 pm

yosef13 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:13 pm
EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:30 pm
Rick83 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:21 pm
EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:59 pm
Let me pose this question to those who are anti-lawn seating: What is it that bothers you so much about OTHER PEOPLE sitting there?

For all the posts that make it sound like some kind of uninhabitable hellscape, many fans choose to sit there every week, despite most games having plentiful reserved seats sitting empty. So, as unfathomable as it may be to you, some people clearly enjoy and even prefer that experience.
There weren't any more reserved seats for sale Saturday, they only had a few scattered singles available. That's 2 of the 6 home games that we've sold out of the reserved seats. Can you imagine how many people would come up for a Sun Belt Conference Championship game, if we won the right to host it, and we were playing Troy or Ark St.? And how would it have looked to recruits to have had 40K+ for the Wake and Miami games? I know we disagree, as we've debated this before, I just feel like we're not meeting the demand that's already there and will be even greater once we start hosting more regional games. Yes, some people like the hill, no disagreement there.
Right, Saturday was a great crowd. It had little to do with the opponent and everything to do with selling tickets to students' families at a discount. But again, if we were packing in 30,000+ regularly, this is a different discussion.

I'm not sure what the crowd would look like for a Sun Belt championship game. I'm a bit skeptical given the time of year, the short notice, the broadcast TV coverage and the fact that Sun Belt games do not seem to hold any sort of special interest for our fan base. But who knows, maybe people would get fired up for that. Hopefully we find out next year.
Waiting to expand KBS when we draw 30k regularly would be like the DOT waiting to widen the Interstate until it's congested all the time.
Umm Yea...Both economically make perfect sense
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Re: Attendance Stat

Unread post by yosef13 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:20 pm

/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:01 pm
yosef13 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:13 pm
EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:30 pm
Rick83 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:21 pm
EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:59 pm
Let me pose this question to those who are anti-lawn seating: What is it that bothers you so much about OTHER PEOPLE sitting there?

For all the posts that make it sound like some kind of uninhabitable hellscape, many fans choose to sit there every week, despite most games having plentiful reserved seats sitting empty. So, as unfathomable as it may be to you, some people clearly enjoy and even prefer that experience.
There weren't any more reserved seats for sale Saturday, they only had a few scattered singles available. That's 2 of the 6 home games that we've sold out of the reserved seats. Can you imagine how many people would come up for a Sun Belt Conference Championship game, if we won the right to host it, and we were playing Troy or Ark St.? And how would it have looked to recruits to have had 40K+ for the Wake and Miami games? I know we disagree, as we've debated this before, I just feel like we're not meeting the demand that's already there and will be even greater once we start hosting more regional games. Yes, some people like the hill, no disagreement there.
Right, Saturday was a great crowd. It had little to do with the opponent and everything to do with selling tickets to students' families at a discount. But again, if we were packing in 30,000+ regularly, this is a different discussion.

I'm not sure what the crowd would look like for a Sun Belt championship game. I'm a bit skeptical given the time of year, the short notice, the broadcast TV coverage and the fact that Sun Belt games do not seem to hold any sort of special interest for our fan base. But who knows, maybe people would get fired up for that. Hopefully we find out next year.
Waiting to expand KBS when we draw 30k regularly would be like the DOT waiting to widen the Interstate until it's congested all the time.
Umm Yea...Both economically make perfect sense
But neither make any common sense.

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Unread post by Rekdiver » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:33 pm

yosef13 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:13 pm
EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:30 pm
Rick83 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:21 pm
EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:59 pm
Let me pose this question to those who are anti-lawn seating: What is it that bothers you so much about OTHER PEOPLE sitting there?

For all the posts that make it sound like some kind of uninhabitable hellscape, many fans choose to sit there every week, despite most games having plentiful reserved seats sitting empty. So, as unfathomable as it may be to you, some people clearly enjoy and even prefer that experience.
There weren't any more reserved seats for sale Saturday, they only had a few scattered singles available. That's 2 of the 6 home games that we've sold out of the reserved seats. Can you imagine how many people would come up for a Sun Belt Conference Championship game, if we won the right to host it, and we were playing Troy or Ark St.? And how would it have looked to recruits to have had 40K+ for the Wake and Miami games? I know we disagree, as we've debated this before, I just feel like we're not meeting the demand that's already there and will be even greater once we start hosting more regional games. Yes, some people like the hill, no disagreement there.
Right, Saturday was a great crowd. It had little to do with the opponent and everything to do with selling tickets to students' families at a discount. But again, if we were packing in 30,000+ regularly, this is a different discussion.

I'm not sure what the crowd would look like for a Sun Belt championship game. I'm a bit skeptical given the time of year, the short notice, the broadcast TV coverage and the fact that Sun Belt games do not seem to hold any sort of special interest for our fan base. But who knows, maybe people would get fired up for that. Hopefully we find out next year.
Waiting to expand KBS when we draw 30k regularly would be like the DOT waiting to widen the Interstate until it's congested all the time.
Clearly you haven't liven in Charlotte or Raleigh.....that is exactly how the DOT operates.....

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:47 pm

This is a business decision. You don't add capital projects which you aren't able to pay for. We have two options, use donations to fund the project or use revenue from tickets sold.

Demand isn't high enough consistently.

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Unread post by yosef13 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:56 pm

Rekdiver wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:33 pm
yosef13 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:13 pm
EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:30 pm
Rick83 wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:21 pm
EastHallApp wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:59 pm
Let me pose this question to those who are anti-lawn seating: What is it that bothers you so much about OTHER PEOPLE sitting there?

For all the posts that make it sound like some kind of uninhabitable hellscape, many fans choose to sit there every week, despite most games having plentiful reserved seats sitting empty. So, as unfathomable as it may be to you, some people clearly enjoy and even prefer that experience.
There weren't any more reserved seats for sale Saturday, they only had a few scattered singles available. That's 2 of the 6 home games that we've sold out of the reserved seats. Can you imagine how many people would come up for a Sun Belt Conference Championship game, if we won the right to host it, and we were playing Troy or Ark St.? And how would it have looked to recruits to have had 40K+ for the Wake and Miami games? I know we disagree, as we've debated this before, I just feel like we're not meeting the demand that's already there and will be even greater once we start hosting more regional games. Yes, some people like the hill, no disagreement there.
Right, Saturday was a great crowd. It had little to do with the opponent and everything to do with selling tickets to students' families at a discount. But again, if we were packing in 30,000+ regularly, this is a different discussion.

I'm not sure what the crowd would look like for a Sun Belt championship game. I'm a bit skeptical given the time of year, the short notice, the broadcast TV coverage and the fact that Sun Belt games do not seem to hold any sort of special interest for our fan base. But who knows, maybe people would get fired up for that. Hopefully we find out next year.
Waiting to expand KBS when we draw 30k regularly would be like the DOT waiting to widen the Interstate until it's congested all the time.
Clearly you haven't liven in Charlotte or Raleigh.....that is exactly how the DOT operates.....
Bingo! I don't want our stadium to be like I-77, although it has been for two of the four games we've played. I live in south Charlotte, so I deal with poor transportation planning on a daily basis. Maybe traffic would not be so bad in Charlotte if the city would have been more proactive.

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