Candidates

[t4pizza]

Get tre lamb. Pay him whatever he wants. If we don’t, we are unserious.

He just doesn't impress me. I think it might be more of the same we have experience the past 5 seasons. If we go FCS route, I say look down at Mercer coach. He is currently 8-1 and did well down the mountain as well.

I hope they have been looking already.

If a move is going to be made, and I don't think it will, then there better be a short list that has already been given a lot of quiet vetting. It isn't like this issue hasn't been apparent for some time.

[311neers]

Get tre lamb. Pay him whatever he wants. If we don’t, we are unserious.

He just doesn't impress me. I think it might be more of the same we have experience the past 5 seasons. If we go FCS route, I say look down at Mercer coach. He is currently 8-1 and did well down the mountain as well.

I hope they have been looking already.

If a move is going to be made, and I don't think it will, then there better be a short list that has already been given a lot of quiet vetting. It isn't like this issue hasn't been apparent for some time.

If it’s been apparent for some time, which you are right, it’s been 3 years coming, why would we not move on?

[t4pizza]

Get tre lamb. Pay him whatever he wants. If we don’t, we are unserious.

He just doesn't impress me. I think it might be more of the same we have experience the past 5 seasons. If we go FCS route, I say look down at Mercer coach. He is currently 8-1 and did well down the mountain as well.

I hope they have been looking already.

If a move is going to be made, and I don't think it will, then there better be a short list that has already been given a lot of quiet vetting. It isn't like this issue hasn't been apparent for some time.

If it’s been apparent for some time, which you are right, it’s been 3 years coming, why would we not move on?

I have many post on this issue, it is simply that I don't see an interim firing a coach with a winning record overall and that we owe a bunch of money. I don't see an interim doing it. Same reason Napier isn't being fired, UF has an interim. For the interim there is little upside and significant potential downsides to the move. I hope that I am wrong, but I just don't see that move happening.

[311neers]

He just doesn't impress me. I think it might be more of the same we have experience the past 5 seasons. If we go FCS route, I say look down at Mercer coach. He is currently 8-1 and did well down the mountain as well.

I hope they have been looking already.

If a move is going to be made, and I don't think it will, then there better be a short list that has already been given a lot of quiet vetting. It isn't like this issue hasn't been apparent for some time.

If it’s been apparent for some time, which you are right, it’s been 3 years coming, why would we not move on?

I have many post on this issue, it is simply that I don't see an interim firing a coach with a winning record overall and that we owe a bunch of money. I don't see an interim doing it. Same reason Napier isn't being fired, UF has an interim. For the interim there is little upside and significant potential downsides to the move. I hope that I am wrong, but I just don't see that move happening.

My apologies didn’t correlate usernames there. He’s almost .500 the past 3 years. Sub .500 this year. 4-5, 9-5, 6-6. Going beyond that is pointless because most of the 2020-2021 teams weren’t his and it’s eons ago in portal era. Overall tenure, sure hes got a winning record but if you take out the FCS wins he’s in the upper 50% range.

[t4pizza]

I hope they have been looking already.

If a move is going to be made, and I don't think it will, then there better be a short list that has already been given a lot of quiet vetting. It isn't like this issue hasn't been apparent for some time.

If it’s been apparent for some time, which you are right, it’s been 3 years coming, why would we not move on?

I have many post on this issue, it is simply that I don't see an interim firing a coach with a winning record overall and that we owe a bunch of money. I don't see an interim doing it. Same reason Napier isn't being fired, UF has an interim. For the interim there is little upside and significant potential downsides to the move. I hope that I am wrong, but I just don't see that move happening.

My apologies didn’t correlate usernames there. He’s almost .500 the past 3 years. Sub .500 this year. 4-5, 9-5, 6-6. Going beyond that is pointless because most of the 2020-2021 teams weren’t his and it’s eons ago in portal era. Overall tenure, sure hes got a winning record but if you take out the FCS wins he’s in the upper 50% range.

I get all that, and we clearly are not playing App State Football. And I am not saying that I don't want it to happen. I just think the vast majority of interims will not swim in that deep of water. No real upside to that move for her and lots of potential bad signs from future employers who might want fiscal responsibility in their chancellor. It is just my thoughts and I hope I am proven incorrect.

[311neers]

EZU Interim coach (don’t even know who it is) is 2-0.

(kidding, just keeping it light)

[T-Dog]

There's no great decision for Norris here. The timing is working toward having to decide something that will be unpopular with many, whatever which way. If you keep Clark and he falls on his face next September with a new chancellor, they could make a move because he's not that chancellor's coach and everyone will say "man I wish we made that move last December" before sacrificing another season. But then you got the poison pill of hiring a new coach and then hiring a permanent chancellor and they might not align.

If Gillin and/or Norris is getting tons of emails of people saying they won't renew their season tickets if Clark remains the coach, then I don't think there's much of a choice there.

Another factor in play here is that both coordinator contracts expire this offseason. Clark has already fired a DC once and lobbied to get his guys.

[AppinVA]

Here’s a short term nightmare scenario: Gillian leaves (on his own) and Clark stays. All the while we still have an interim chancellor.

[appgrad95&97]

Here’s a short term nightmare scenario: Gillian leaves (on his own) and Clark stays. All the while we still have an interim chancellor.

You do get that Gillin is responsible for this, right?

[AppinVA]

Here’s a short term nightmare scenario: Gillian leaves (on his own) and Clark stays. All the while we still have an interim chancellor.

You do get that Gillin is responsible for this, right?

I fancy it more of a BOT thing, but even so, him leaving is like removing a wedged-in Jenga piece given the timing. We don’t need to have to find a new AD, or have an interim to go along with an interim chancellor.

[BambooRdApp]

Here’s a short term nightmare scenario: Gillian leaves (on his own) and Clark stays. All the while we still have an interim chancellor.

You do get that Gillin is responsible for this, right?

Like to better understand better your hard-on as it relates to Gillin given your so many negative general references as it relates solely to the football coach.
From an outsider looking in, I see
A good hire at basketball coach
A good hire at baseball coach (doing well considering the disadvantages of playing in the mountains)
Appears to be a good hire with volleyball
Seems to be fine field hockey
Maintaining excellence in wrestling and track and field.
Yes, ADs do not always get it right 100% time.
So, what is your personal issue with the AD. There has to be something given how much he lives rent free in your brain. Yes, generally curious.
I do not but have an opinion one way or the other about the AD than what I see above...as I have only had casual and quick conversations when I pass him when I see him in the NEZ

[DenverOfTheEast]

Here’s a short term nightmare scenario: Gillian leaves (on his own) and Clark stays. All the while we still have an interim chancellor.

You do get that Gillin is responsible for this, right?

Like to better understand better your hard-on as it relates to Gillin given your so many negative general references as it relates solely to the football coach.
From an outsider looking in, I see
A good hire at basketball coach
A good hire at baseball coach (doing well considering the disadvantages of playing in the mountains)
Appears to be a good hire with volleyball
Seems to be fine field hockey
Maintaining excellence in wrestling and track and field.
Yes, ADs do not always get it right 100% time.
So, what is your personal issue with the AD. There has to be something given how much he lives rent free in your brain. Yes, generally curious.
I do not but have an opinion one way or the other about the AD than what I see above...as I have only had casual and quick conversations when I pass him when I see him in the NEZ

Here is what I see and know...

He's fired his own softball coach hire and hired a new one.
Both golf programs stink can't keep a coach.
In changing times of Football/NIl landscape he hasn't embraced and helped his #1 program.
(Clark isn't the guy anymore but my BEEF is Clark doesn't get the help from above like he should)
Track and Field went 4 FULL seasons with no track.
He has ZERO to do with Wrestling success, stay out of the way is the best decision.
No legit indoor football practice facility in the worst location for weather on the east coast south of D.C.
Basketball hire so far A grade based off of last season, before last year it was a B- grade.
Baseball is blah, a fun time at the park but never will keep up - resources to travel are pitiful for that team.
Major debt over facilities.
Prices constantly rise, Yosef Club etc.
Doesn't think for himself, always has others(the elite tell him what to do)
App State has NEVER won the SBC Bubas Cup - finished 9th in 23-24 and that's with football and basketball success.
(Dominated this in the So CON from 1991 to 2014 only losing one season -- my man Roachel was in charge then)

Saban made a comment on Gameday a month ago, "everyone wants to blame the coach, but you need to be blaming the administrations" -- he was talking about Florida, BUT Saban and Clark are tight so he could as be talking about Appy.


Ask yourself this, If the fan base didn't love football so much, didn't enjoy the tailgates and the Fall weather, what would App State athletics be?????????


Carry on.

[ASUTodd]

Here’s a short term nightmare scenario: Gillian leaves (on his own) and Clark stays. All the while we still have an interim chancellor.

You do get that Gillin is responsible for this, right?

Like to better understand better your hard-on as it relates to Gillin given your so many negative general references as it relates solely to the football coach.
From an outsider looking in, I see
A good hire at basketball coach
A good hire at baseball coach (doing well considering the disadvantages of playing in the mountains)
Appears to be a good hire with volleyball
Seems to be fine field hockey
Maintaining excellence in wrestling and track and field.
Yes, ADs do not always get it right 100% time.
So, what is your personal issue with the AD. There has to be something given how much he lives rent free in your brain. Yes, generally curious.
I do not but have an opinion one way or the other about the AD than what I see above...as I have only had casual and quick conversations when I pass him when I see him in the NEZ

Here is what I see and know...

He's fired his own softball coach hire and hired a new one.
Both golf programs stink can't keep a coach.
In changing times of Football/NIl landscape he hasn't embraced and helped his #1 program.
(Clark isn't the guy anymore but my BEEF is Clark doesn't get the help from above like he should)
Track and Field went 4 FULL seasons with no track.
He has ZERO to do with Wrestling success, stay out of the way is the best decision.
No legit indoor football practice facility in the worst location for weather on the east coast south of D.C.
Basketball hire so far A grade based off of last season, before last year it was a B- grade.
Baseball is blah, a fun time at the park but never will keep up - resources to travel are pitiful for that team.
Major debt over facilities.
Prices constantly rise, Yosef Club etc.
Doesn't think for himself, always has others(the elite tell him what to do)
App State has NEVER won the SBC Bubas Cup - finished 9th in 23-24 and that's with football and basketball success.
(Dominated this in the So CON from 1991 to 2014 only losing one season -- my man Roachel was in charge then)

Saban made a comment on Gameday a month ago, "everyone wants to blame the coach, but you need to be blaming the administrations" -- he was talking about Florida, BUT Saban and Clark are tight so he could as be talking about Appy.


Ask yourself this, If the fan base didn't love football so much, didn't enjoy the tailgates and the Fall weather, what would App State athletics be?????????


Carry on.

You forgot the success of mens soccer....

[appstate24]

Tre Lamb or Kade Bell HC
Mike Houston DC


Find the money

GO APPS!!

[AppDub]

There's no great decision for Norris here. The timing is working toward having to decide something that will be unpopular with many, whatever which way. If you keep Clark and he falls on his face next September with a new chancellor, they could make a move because he's not that chancellor's coach and everyone will say "man I wish we made that move last December" before sacrificing another season. But then you got the poison pill of hiring a new coach and then hiring a permanent chancellor and they might not align.

If Gillin and/or Norris is getting tons of emails of people saying they won't renew their season tickets if Clark remains the coach, then I don't think there's much of a choice there.

Another factor in play here is that both coordinator contracts expire this offseason. Clark has already fired a DC once and lobbied to get his guys.

The price of leadership. Being willing to lead knowing that no matter what you do, not everyone will agree. Hope we see true leadership and the not so tough decision to move on will be made.

[AppDub]

Tre Lamb or Kade Bell HC
Mike Houston DC


Find the money

GO APPS!!

How about a Kade/Kerwin Bell combo?
Pass on Tre Lamb.

[AppinVA]

Here’s a short term nightmare scenario: Gillian leaves (on his own) and Clark stays. All the while we still have an interim chancellor.

You do get that Gillin is responsible for this, right?

Like to better understand better your hard-on as it relates to Gillin given your so many negative general references as it relates solely to the football coach.
From an outsider looking in, I see
A good hire at basketball coach
A good hire at baseball coach (doing well considering the disadvantages of playing in the mountains)
Appears to be a good hire with volleyball
Seems to be fine field hockey
Maintaining excellence in wrestling and track and field.
Yes, ADs do not always get it right 100% time.
So, what is your personal issue with the AD. There has to be something given how much he lives rent free in your brain. Yes, generally curious.
I do not but have an opinion one way or the other about the AD than what I see above...as I have only had casual and quick conversations when I pass him when I see him in the NEZ

Here is what I see and know...

He's fired his own softball coach hire and hired a new one.
Both golf programs stink can't keep a coach.
In changing times of Football/NIl landscape he hasn't embraced and helped his #1 program.
(Clark isn't the guy anymore but my BEEF is Clark doesn't get the help from above like he should)
Track and Field went 4 FULL seasons with no track.
He has ZERO to do with Wrestling success, stay out of the way is the best decision.
No legit indoor football practice facility in the worst location for weather on the east coast south of D.C.
Basketball hire so far A grade based off of last season, before last year it was a B- grade.
Baseball is blah, a fun time at the park but never will keep up - resources to travel are pitiful for that team.
Major debt over facilities.
Prices constantly rise, Yosef Club etc.
Doesn't think for himself, always has others(the elite tell him what to do)
App State has NEVER won the SBC Bubas Cup - finished 9th in 23-24 and that's with football and basketball success.
(Dominated this in the So CON from 1991 to 2014 only losing one season -- my man Roachel was in charge then)

Saban made a comment on Gameday a month ago, "everyone wants to blame the coach, but you need to be blaming the administrations" -- he was talking about Florida, BUT Saban and Clark are tight so he could as be talking about Appy.


Ask yourself this, If the fan base didn't love football so much, didn't enjoy the tailgates and the Fall weather, what would App State athletics be?????????


Carry on.

I didn't know Eastern Europe had a Denver, but maybe we're big enough to have a dedicated Russian bot.

Appy? Really?

[BambooRdApp]

Here’s a short term nightmare scenario: Gillian leaves (on his own) and Clark stays. All the while we still have an interim chancellor.

You do get that Gillin is responsible for this, right?

Like to better understand better your hard-on as it relates to Gillin given your so many negative general references as it relates solely to the football coach.
From an outsider looking in, I see
A good hire at basketball coach
A good hire at baseball coach (doing well considering the disadvantages of playing in the mountains)
Appears to be a good hire with volleyball
Seems to be fine field hockey
Maintaining excellence in wrestling and track and field.
Yes, ADs do not always get it right 100% time.
So, what is your personal issue with the AD. There has to be something given how much he lives rent free in your brain. Yes, generally curious.
I do not but have an opinion one way or the other about the AD than what I see above...as I have only had casual and quick conversations when I pass him when I see him in the NEZ

Here is what I see and know...

He's fired his own softball coach hire and hired a new one.
Both golf programs stink can't keep a coach.
In changing times of Football/NIl landscape he hasn't embraced and helped his #1 program.
(Clark isn't the guy anymore but my BEEF is Clark doesn't get the help from above like he should)
Track and Field went 4 FULL seasons with no track.
He has ZERO to do with Wrestling success, stay out of the way is the best decision.
No legit indoor football practice facility in the worst location for weather on the east coast south of D.C.
Basketball hire so far A grade based off of last season, before last year it was a B- grade.
Baseball is blah, a fun time at the park but never will keep up - resources to travel are pitiful for that team.
Major debt over facilities.
Prices constantly rise, Yosef Club etc.
Doesn't think for himself, always has others(the elite tell him what to do)
App State has NEVER won the SBC Bubas Cup - finished 9th in 23-24 and that's with football and basketball success.
(Dominated this in the So CON from 1991 to 2014 only losing one season -- my man Roachel was in charge then)

Saban made a comment on Gameday a month ago, "everyone wants to blame the coach, but you need to be blaming the administrations" -- he was talking about Florida, BUT Saban and Clark are tight so he could as be talking about Appy.


Ask yourself this, If the fan base didn't love football so much, didn't enjoy the tailgates and the Fall weather, what would App State athletics be?????????


Carry on.

Thanks for the objective response. I do appreciate it...my response was to 95&97. Given the 137 or responses, threads started ...any psych 101 student can surmise that he/she has personal issues with the AD. I was just curious if he wanted to elaborate.
Once again, thanks for the response.

[BallantyneApp]

Here is what I see and know...

He's fired his own softball coach hire and hired a new one. you're not going to hit on all your choices, but part of being an executive is understanding when you miss and correcting, this is not a legit criticism unless he keeps missing
Both golf programs stink can't keep a coach. who cares? we're never going to have a competitive golf program with it being a spring sport. we should have gotten rid of golf and kept soccer, a sport that we've been succesful at and we can play in our climate
In changing times of Football/NIl landscape he hasn't embraced and helped his #1 program. this is subjective. football gets the most support by far. DG literally cannot interfere with NIL. Contracts will change this.
(Clark isn't the guy anymore but my BEEF is Clark doesn't get the help from above like he should)
Track and Field went 4 FULL seasons with no track. This is a legit criticism
He has ZERO to do with Wrestling success, stay out of the way is the best decision. ok not responsible for any success but 100% responsible for any failure. got it.
No legit indoor football practice facility in the worst location for weather on the east coast south of D.C. but you're also complaining about rising prices? Do you want to build stuff or do you want cheap tickets? you can't have both.
Basketball hire so far A grade based off of last season, before last year it was a B- grade.
Baseball is blah, a fun time at the park but never will keep up - resources to travel are pitiful for that team. Probably because we're supporting football too much, flies directly to one of your points above
Major debt over facilities. I kind of agree here. but you're complaining about rising prices and also a lack of facilities. is your complaint that hes bad at fundraising? I can get on board here. We need to spend more resources in our top market of Charlotte and make more florida friends.
Prices constantly rise, Yosef Club etc. yeah welcome to 2024. You can't complain about lack of support and facilities and complain about prices rising. Pick one or the other.
Doesn't think for himself, always has others(the elite tell him what to do) A problem many executives have.
App State has NEVER won the SBC Bubas Cup - finished 9th in 23-24 and that's with football and basketball success. Winning the socon bubas really meant nothing. We would have won it several times if we were still in the socon since. but yes we need to do better here. I really wish we could get rid of baseball and invest in MSOC since we have the same climate issue with baseball. I understand we can't.
(Dominated this in the So CON from 1991 to 2014 only losing one season -- my man Roachel was in charge then)

[ASUFan4863]

We will not fire an OL head coach to hire another OL head coach.