Realistic coaching options for 2025...

[EastHallApp]

Why Napier and not Mullen? Both fired by Florida. Does anyone think Napier is a better coach? Mullen has had 3 (I think) years away from coaching. I'm just curious why?

I wouldn't be opposed to Mullen at least being contacted, not at all. Just because someone names one person doesn't mean they're rejecting everyone else.

I do think it's valuable that Napier has been a successful G5 coach, as I think that experience potentially transfers more directly than having been an SEC coach.

[BambooRdApp]

Napier was successful at LaLa because of the resources he was given in terms of assistants he was given. If you watched any of the games we lost to lala, he tried as much as he could to give us the games. Would not be a good hire

[ASUFan4863]

Just because you have heard of Billy Napier and he has some marginal success at UL does not make him a top contender. Countless other OCs/DCs that you have never heard have would make better candidates.

"Marginal success" included beating Clark in the SBC Championship game by the way. It also included beating us on our home field (albiet during 2020) when they could not snap the ball to their punter at all and intentionally gave us points to stop us on defense.

[BallantyneApp]

hey #TeamClark I cannot defend that comment regarding the effort, I have went as far as I can go.

Clark needed to have more say in his non conference schedule in order to coach long term and clearly he has no say in that - it partly cost Jim Fox his job and will partly cost Shawn Clark his job(he should let Kerns do his non conference scheduling honestly)

I honestly don't see any growth in Clark as a Head Coach, not sure he has gotten better in his position -
The team is failing in personnel decisions(recruiting) - failing in tackling - failing in running the ball - failing in motivating = 3 poor starts - failing in making plays on 3rd downs - failing in being the CEO of the program - Portal guys don't work at App State - it's not the foundation of the program.

Satt won with HS kids growing up at App within the program and obviously Drink inherited those kids, Clark had them for first 2 seasons, but the game has changed and traditional coaches like Clark are not use to that are NOT good with portal kids, it's just the way it is.

Need to find a guy like Curt Cignetti --- that won at different smaller places and worked his way up the ladder, look what he's doing now at Indiana, not sure its sustainable but he's kicking the sh*t out of teams so far. A P5 OC's and DC's candidates make too much money unless they are bottom of the P5 programs.

Gillin needs to go as well, here is why. Everts never wanted Clark, Gillin listened to the players, it was good for 2 seasons, BUT incomes the Portal and NIL and Gillin refused to help the program behind the scenes in areas that needed it in the new landscape. Plus Gillin listens to Ricks and Sofield way to much - that whole incest situation needs to be removed.

Outsider as the Head Coach
New voice as the head of athletics
New Chancellor

The whole place needs a new energy!!

Entitlement has crept in from the fan base as well.

I predicted in 2015 (verbally told Randy Jackson) that after the excitement of FBS wears off App would turn into a purgatory of football like a MAC school or Marshall did, and look where we are.

Can someone please tell me what specifically are the complaints with the schedule? I don’t get it. Yes thev4 day turnaround isn’t ideal but Doug can’t control that we are the marquee brand (for now) in the sunbelt and ESPN is going to pick us for games. Another year or 2 of this and we won’t have to worry about being picked for Thursday night national tv games.

I simply do not accept your defeatism on Apps future. There is a place in college football for App to not be blown out by south Alabama.

We are a growing university in a growing state with a top 5 g5 fanbase. There is zero reason to resign ourselves to a Mac future

It is the placement of where you put these games on the calendar and who you have following those games....

yesterday pregame ESPN article from 2 seasons ago said after the Texas A M in and college game day and hail marry to beat Troy the team was mentally exhausted.

last season fly to Wyoming come home, fly to Monroe

this year play Clemson and ECU back to back and now short week for USA

See my point the "placement' of these games....

being a growing university has nothing to do with it - App State is not on a NFL cushy 787 jet traveling these places either.

DG only has control over non conference games and this is done years in advance. He can't tell ESPN or the sunbelt when to schedule conference games. Wyoming was a good series nearly everyone applauded, same with Boise State. We have to play someone when we get back. I'm sure he tried to schedule an easy home game after each, but sometimes it doesn't work out. at clemson and at ecu are almost universally applauded series, and clemson is literally the only buy game we have scheduled (although after that and last night these might be easier to schedule).

its a shame that ESPN values our brand so much, but theres not an athletic department in the G5 that can afford to turn down ESPN.

I know what DG has control over -- and his placement of the games has failed his soon to be fired Head Coach

2024
Clemson shoulda been Game 1
ETSU game 2
ECU shoulda been game 3 and try to get it on a Friday night

No control over USA - I understand that.

2022 -
UNC at Home then back to back games at Texas A M straight into Troy game... -- that is really poor.

Instead of opening up with softballs like 1-AA teams they should be before the Sun Belt games begin after the tough non conf games.

I won't say these are quibbles, but this to me is the difference between "what is the most perfect schedule you can imagine" and "what is a pretty good schedule given the contracts we have". These are not things that keep good G5 teams from winning games.

Clemson was on the books for a long time and they had a little matchup in week 1 that might have taken a little precedence. Moving games requires 2 parties to agree or paying penalties.

Same for ECU and USA, we didn't know until a short while ago that was going to be a short week and DG did what we could, authorized a charter plane to take them back to save 2 hours.

2022- UNC at home was the biggest App game in history I'm not sure what the complaint here is. TAMU was a buy game nothing more, no one predicted we would win and a media storm would have happened. We played home again the next week which at least is preferable to traveling again.

We've barely left our region OOC the last few years, have had very winnable P5 games like UNC and So Car and even Miami, the far away games are either destination CFB teams like TAMU or destination place like wyoming.

[appgrad95&97]

Scott Frost is out there.

[Mjohn1988]

Scott Frost is out there.

And he wants another shot. Says he learned a lot from Nebraska. He also has a bunch of money so he doesn’t really need a big salary.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Scott Frost is out there.

that why we can't take you serious. he couldn't win at Nebraska. geez

[DenverOfTheEast]

I'm not quoting all your replies per my schedule line, some of you will just never get it.

Take Satt and Clarks over all records for just OUT OF CONF games only and tell me who won more tougher games.

Mack Brown plays NO one in the non conference - his overall reord his WHOLE career shows it.

Proper Scheduling keeps coaches in business. Sun Belt is tougher know also - therefore another reason to back off some of the non conf games.

[AppStFan1]

I'm not quoting all your replies per my schedule line, some of you will just never get it.

Take Satt and Clarks over all records for just OUT OF CONF games only and tell me who won more tougher games.

Mack Brown plays NO one in the non conference - his overall reord his WHOLE career shows it.

Proper Scheduling keeps coaches in business. Sun Belt is tougher know also - therefore another reason to back off some of the non conf games.

I am curious to see how the Sun Belt will play out because we have lost a lot of the top coaches. I wonder if our league takes a step back this year.

Scheduling is definitely important. We do need 1-2 solid OOC opponents if we want a real shot at the playoffs but if our OOC is brutal then we risk taking enough losses to keep us out.

One major beef I have with scheduling is that I think at least 2 OOC games, preferably all 4, should not be scheduled until after the prior season so we can create some good matchups. Sometimes we get lucky with a game scheduled 5-6 years prior and other times we see a game scheduled that we hope will be a good one but one of the teams turns out to be awful by the time it comes up. Gillin has signed contracts for games that I doubt he will even be in Boone to see play out because they are so far down the road as well. I would really love to see football schedules done more like basketball schedules in that regard.

[311neers]

So much for the S&C coach. Maybe we shouldn’t give dudes rest and shut them down in offseason workouts for load management. Small and slow doesn’t win games.

[Stonewall]

We did get run over. Run through. Run past…

[Bootsy]

Throwing names out like Mullen & Billy is pointless. If y’all want to turn this into an academic exercise, let’s throw out some additional names like Donnie Kirkpatrick, Ken Dorsey, Tony Petersen & Belichick.

[t4pizza]

I don’t care to go through each page of each thread but has Napier been recommended? He is getting a bad rap at UF right now but he has proven to build a program in the G5 through the OL and defense.

That would make no sense for him, and he would never be accepted by the App State fan base.

The vast majority of the App State fan base couldn’t tell you who Napier is. He proved that he knows how to elevate a G5 program. That work for me.

The only thing he proved is that given 19 analysts over our 1, he was able to out scheme us and yet still barely beat us in some games. He is a terrible game time coach and makes repeated bone head mistakes. He only won at ULL because they out resourced everyone in the belt and had a staff that dwarfed everyone else. HIs coaching is not good at all. Napier is not the answer on any coaching staff. I told all my UF friends this when he was hired, nobody knew enough to believe me but they all agree with me now. The guy isn't a good coach. And on top of that he is from Furman, no thank you!

[VNova]

Buyout?? App State has made a living doing more with less. The win now mentality does not match the win with less. We need a new mentality to move this program forward. For App to survive in the new age of college football - we need to adapt and adjust. Win with less might not be possible.

App football needs an adapt and overcome mentality. I’ve seen “more (win) with less” too often in the Navy used as an excuse to not change or improve. We won’t ever have a P5 budget, but App sure as hell can be more innovative.

[AppStFan1]

I don’t care to go through each page of each thread but has Napier been recommended? He is getting a bad rap at UF right now but he has proven to build a program in the G5 through the OL and defense.

That would make no sense for him, and he would never be accepted by the App State fan base.

The vast majority of the App State fan base couldn’t tell you who Napier is. He proved that he knows how to elevate a G5 program. That work for me.

The only thing he proved is that given 19 analysts over our 1, he was able to out scheme us and yet still barely beat us in some games. He is a terrible game time coach and makes repeated bone head mistakes. He only won at ULL because they out resourced everyone in the belt and had a staff that dwarfed everyone else. HIs coaching is not good at all. Napier is not the answer on any coaching staff. I told all my UF friends this when he was hired, nobody knew enough to believe me but they all agree with me now. The guy isn't a good coach. And on top of that he is from Furman, no thank you!

His decisions always baffled me and I thought he stole signals. I figured it would be proven at Florida where everyone has the same resources but wanted to see it as proof. Turns out your prediction was right and I got the answer to my question that I suspected to be the case. I will be curious to see where he lands. He might not make it to October if he keeps up how he has done the last couple weeks.

[BambooRdApp]

If we ever are in need of a coach...and I hope we are not ..
I would take Chip Lindsay (sp?).
Only needed 3 series of watching UNC. Should be up 21-3....but we fumble

[yosef69]

If we ever are in need of a coach...and I hope we are not ..
I would take Chip Lindsay (sp?).
Only needed 3 series of watching UNC. Should be up 21-3....but we fumble

He got fired from Troy

[Appstate2004]

Kyle Richardson

[704App]

Brennan Marion

Dude's go go offense is as elite and innovative as they come.

If you like football Xa and Os, I'd recommend listening to interviews and/or reading up on it.

[ericsaid]

Honestly, Ponce. I’d like to see what Ponce could do as the head coach with total control.