Top 25 Poll

[kornegaylw]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

If the NCAA ran the playoff - assuming the way they do postseason in every other sport, including other levels of football - it would likely be expanded to at least 16 and include an auto bid for every conference. But they don't, and there's no indication they will any time soon.

Yes you are correct. I assume my sarcasm didn't come through in my post

[kornegaylw]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

The #3 SEC school brings 50,000 to a playoff bowl. The #1 CUSA or Sun Belt (other than App) brings 10,000. So 40,000 reasons at $20 a ticket why a championship won't ever be logical. Not including advertising and merchandising revenue.

That said, right now we are playing, and I'm grateful.

Can't argue with the $ aspect of it. If the NCAA just come out and said that then how do you argue.

[Rick83]

I don't believe it's the NCAA that has control over FBS level college football. Aren't the P5 conferences calling the shots with the CFP and the NY6 bowls? They're the ones that threw the G5 conferences a bone with a guaranteed appearance for a G5 champion in the NY6.
I personally think we'll see an expanded actual playoff at some point, hopefully with the next TV contract renewal but who knows...

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

The #3 SEC school brings 50,000 to a playoff bowl. The #1 CUSA or Sun Belt (other than App) brings 10,000. So 40,000 reasons at $20 a ticket why a championship won't ever be logical. Not including advertising and merchandising revenue.

That said, right now we are playing, and I'm grateful.

And F$%^ a system where the deciding factor is not the play on the field but $ in seats. I am not saying you are wrong, and not shooting the messenger, but that is the corruptness of the system. I am willing to have the Prig 5's have the lions share of the money and resources but every FBS conference deserves a shot. Anything less is a farce, a corrupt, immoral, unethical, not worthy of defending f#%$ing farce.

I wish I had my media meter back I had to track my media usage just at App was entering the Sun Belt. I would LOVE to continue to boycott all the Prig 5 games just to drive down their ratings. I can do that now but it doesn't matter, just the metered folks make a difference in TV ratings.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I don't believe it's the NCAA that has control over FBS level college football. Aren't the P5 conferences calling the shots with the CFP and the NY6 bowls? They're the ones that threw the G5 conferences a bone with a guaranteed appearance for a G5 champion in the NY6.
I personally think we'll see an expanded actual playoff at some point, hopefully with the next TV contract renewal but who knows...

You are correct which is why the Prig 5 are also called the Autonomous 5, but not by me. They are a bunch of prigs and will be called such by me. They can do whatever they want since they control FBS football.

[AppStFan1]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

If there was a 8-team playoff and undefeated G5 champ with a good resume then I don't think ESPN would argue that with certain criteria. If you state that the G5 must be conference champ, have a P5 win, and undefeated so that there is a clear path for a 1999 Marshall and 2017 UCF to get a shot and settle it on the field.

"have a P5 win" is not a valid criteria for inclusion. That would imply that beating Vanderbilt or Kansas is the same as beating Cincinnati, UCF, Boise State, or even App. That is as much a function of scheduling as it is performance. Perhaps having a SOS requirement would make more sense, but even that is incredibly biased.

My point was to get a P5 on schedule so you can claim a win against one of the big boys. That would never be in writing for official criteria but the sad truth is that voters will give more respect for a P5 win than a G5 receiving votes team win. My point was proven last year with the respect for a P5 win when you consider we got more love for beating a bad SC team than we did by beating a good ULL who was receiving votes. Had ULL beaten Miss State last year but still lost to us twice they would have been ranked. If you want to be considered legit you have to show you can beat a P5.

[AppStFan1]

I don't believe it's the NCAA that has control over FBS level college football. Aren't the P5 conferences calling the shots with the CFP and the NY6 bowls? They're the ones that threw the G5 conferences a bone with a guaranteed appearance for a G5 champion in the NY6.
I personally think we'll see an expanded actual playoff at some point, hopefully with the next TV contract renewal but who knows...

Correct. They have no say. The P5 schools threw the G5 a bone but every year they can just say SOS is not as good if a G5 does not have P5 wins. Technically they could not even allow a path for G5s if they wanted. If NCAA ran it then every league would have an auto-bid.

I'm with you that I hope they expand to 8 when TV contract renewal/CFP agreement renewal time comes.

[ah59396]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

The #3 SEC school brings 50,000 to a playoff bowl. The #1 CUSA or Sun Belt (other than App) brings 10,000. So 40,000 reasons at $20 a ticket why a championship won't ever be logical. Not including advertising and merchandising revenue.

That said, right now we are playing, and I'm grateful.

I had actually thought about this before.

In some scenario where App made the CFP, there’s no way our fanbase would be able to fill our allotment. Could you imagine our fans being able to go to not one but two national bowls in NFL stadiums (if we made it to the Natty in my fantasy scenario).

Could we get 40k for the Cotton Bowl last year had we have gone? Unlikely.

Imagine having to do say, the Sugar Bowl then turn right around and do the Fiesta for the National Championship. We’d be lucky to get 5k there.

[Black Saturday]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

The #3 SEC school brings 50,000 to a playoff bowl. The #1 CUSA or Sun Belt (other than App) brings 10,000. So 40,000 reasons at $20 a ticket why a championship won't ever be logical. Not including advertising and merchandising revenue.

That said, right now we are playing, and I'm grateful.

I had actually thought about this before.

In some scenario where App made the CFP, there’s no way our fanbase would be able to fill our allotment. Could you imagine our fans being able to go to not one but two national bowls in NFL stadiums (if we made it to the Natty in my fantasy scenario).

Could we get 40k for the Cotton Bowl last year had we have gone? Unlikely.

Imagine having to do say, the Sugar Bowl then turn right around and do the Fiesta for the National Championship. We’d be lucky to get 5k there.

i agree, but any school other than Clemson in the ACC would not fill their obligation. I'd guess Alabama or Georgia or LSU a few more SEC might be able to ring that bell of filling their allotment to any bowl.

[EastHallApp]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

The #3 SEC school brings 50,000 to a playoff bowl. The #1 CUSA or Sun Belt (other than App) brings 10,000. So 40,000 reasons at $20 a ticket why a championship won't ever be logical. Not including advertising and merchandising revenue.

That said, right now we are playing, and I'm grateful.

I had actually thought about this before.

In some scenario where App made the CFP, there’s no way our fanbase would be able to fill our allotment. Could you imagine our fans being able to go to not one but two national bowls in NFL stadiums (if we made it to the Natty in my fantasy scenario).

Could we get 40k for the Cotton Bowl last year had we have gone? Unlikely.

Imagine having to do say, the Sugar Bowl then turn right around and do the Fiesta for the National Championship. We’d be lucky to get 5k there.

This is all true. But it also posits a world in which App State as we know it today - a top Sun Belt team less than a decade into our FBS tenure - suddenly gets dropped into a four-team CFP. Much as we'd all like to fantasize about that, it's not going to happen.

In reality, the climb we'd need to make to even get in that conversation would involve years of consistent top 20 rankings, wins over heavyweight opponents, etc. - landmarks that would lead to huge increases in donations, student applications, TV coverage, ticket sales, and likely at least one conference move.

IOW, a hypothetical App State that's a serious CFP contender would have a much different fanbase than the one we have now.

[mike87]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

The #3 SEC school brings 50,000 to a playoff bowl. The #1 CUSA or Sun Belt (other than App) brings 10,000. So 40,000 reasons at $20 a ticket why a championship won't ever be logical. Not including advertising and merchandising revenue.

That said, right now we are playing, and I'm grateful.

I had actually thought about this before.

In some scenario where App made the CFP, there’s no way our fanbase would be able to fill our allotment. Could you imagine our fans being able to go to not one but two national bowls in NFL stadiums (if we made it to the Natty in my fantasy scenario).

Could we get 40k for the Cotton Bowl last year had we have gone? Unlikely.

Imagine having to do say, the Sugar Bowl then turn right around and do the Fiesta for the National Championship. We’d be lucky to get 5k there.

This is all true. But it also posits a world in which App State as we know it today - a top Sun Belt team less than a decade into our FBS tenure - suddenly gets dropped into a four-team CFP. Much as we'd all like to fantasize about that, it's not going to happen.

In reality, the climb we'd need to make to even get in that conversation would involve years of consistent top 20 rankings, wins over heavyweight opponents, etc. - landmarks that would lead to huge increases in donations, student applications, TV coverage, ticket sales, and likely at least one conference move.

IOW, a hypothetical App State that's a serious CFP contender would have a much different fanbase than the one we have now.

To take your reality a step further...years of top 20 rankings, wins over heavyweight opponents, increases in donations, student applications, TV coverage, ticket sales...that conference move is likely to a P5.

So we are back to the difficulty (impossibility) of a G5 making the CFP.

But despite all that #RankAppState and #Letusin!

[ah59396]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

The #3 SEC school brings 50,000 to a playoff bowl. The #1 CUSA or Sun Belt (other than App) brings 10,000. So 40,000 reasons at $20 a ticket why a championship won't ever be logical. Not including advertising and merchandising revenue.

That said, right now we are playing, and I'm grateful.

I had actually thought about this before.

In some scenario where App made the CFP, there’s no way our fanbase would be able to fill our allotment. Could you imagine our fans being able to go to not one but two national bowls in NFL stadiums (if we made it to the Natty in my fantasy scenario).

Could we get 40k for the Cotton Bowl last year had we have gone? Unlikely.

Imagine having to do say, the Sugar Bowl then turn right around and do the Fiesta for the National Championship. We’d be lucky to get 5k there.

This is all true. But it also posits a world in which App State as we know it today - a top Sun Belt team less than a decade into our FBS tenure - suddenly gets dropped into a four-team CFP. Much as we'd all like to fantasize about that, it's not going to happen.

In reality, the climb we'd need to make to even get in that conversation would involve years of consistent top 20 rankings, wins over heavyweight opponents, etc. - landmarks that would lead to huge increases in donations, student applications, TV coverage, ticket sales, and likely at least one conference move.

IOW, a hypothetical App State that's a serious CFP contender would have a much different fanbase than the one we have now.

Let’s be honest, it’s a problem I’d like to have.

“Oh no are we going to have enough fans to fill out the stadium for App in the national championship!?!?”


Sign me up.

[bcoach]

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

The #3 SEC school brings 50,000 to a playoff bowl. The #1 CUSA or Sun Belt (other than App) brings 10,000. So 40,000 reasons at $20 a ticket why a championship won't ever be logical. Not including advertising and merchandising revenue.

That said, right now we are playing, and I'm grateful.

I had actually thought about this before.

In some scenario where App made the CFP, there’s no way our fanbase would be able to fill our allotment. Could you imagine our fans being able to go to not one but two national bowls in NFL stadiums (if we made it to the Natty in my fantasy scenario).

Could we get 40k for the Cotton Bowl last year had we have gone? Unlikely.

Imagine having to do say, the Sugar Bowl then turn right around and do the Fiesta for the National Championship. We’d be lucky to get 5k there.

This is all true. But it also posits a world in which App State as we know it today - a top Sun Belt team less than a decade into our FBS tenure - suddenly gets dropped into a four-team CFP. Much as we'd all like to fantasize about that, it's not going to happen.

In reality, the climb we'd need to make to even get in that conversation would involve years of consistent top 20 rankings, wins over heavyweight opponents, etc. - landmarks that would lead to huge increases in donations, student applications, TV coverage, ticket sales, and likely at least one conference move.

IOW, a hypothetical App State that's a serious CFP contender would have a much different fanbase than the one we have now.

Let’s be honest, it’s a problem I’d like to have.

“Oh no are we going to have enough fans to fill out the stadium for App in the national championship!?!?”


Sign me up.

Where would we get the money to cover the deficit?

[ah59396]

Where would we get the money to cover the deficit?

While it’s not something I could do annually, I’d absolutely splash to be there for both games, if a situation ever existed where it happens.

I think given that, I’d probably be willing to shell out the money for a students bus ticket. Are there cheap student tickets for big time bowl games? How does that work?

[huskie3]

Are you kidding? Stub Hub and ticket brokers would be all over tickets for national championship.

[ah59396]

Are you kidding? Stub Hub and ticket brokers would be all over tickets for national championship.

Well that’s why I was asking. I wasn’t sure if each University was provided an allotment or something.

[moonshine]

Where would we get the money to cover the deficit?

From the CFP.

"A conference will receive $6 million for each team that is selected for the semifinal games. There will be no additional distribution to conferences whose teams qualify for the national championship game. A conference will receive $4 million for each team that plays in a non-playoff bowl under the arrangement.

Each conference whose team participates in a playoff semifinal, Cotton, Fiesta, or Peach Bowl, or in the national championship game will receive $2.43 million to cover expenses for each game."

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/spor ... ution.aspx

[bcoach]

Where would we get the money to cover the deficit?

From the CFP.

"A conference will receive $6 million for each team that is selected for the semifinal games. There will be no additional distribution to conferences whose teams qualify for the national championship game. A conference will receive $4 million for each team that plays in a non-playoff bowl under the arrangement.

Each conference whose team participates in a playoff semifinal, Cotton, Fiesta, or Peach Bowl, or in the national championship game will receive $2.43 million to cover expenses for each game."

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/spor ... ution.aspx

Are there requirements for minimum tickets purchased and hotel rooms guaranteed as there are in other major bowls? Honest question. But really I was refering to major bowls leading up to a NC bowl as we will not be seeing a NC game any time soon. We just don't have the money at this point to get to a NC game.

[moonshine]

Are there requirements for minimum tickets purchased and hotel rooms guaranteed as there are in other major bowls? Honest question. But really I was refering to major bowls leading up to a NC bowl as we will not be seeing a NC game any time soon. We just don't have the money at this point to get to a NC game.

I'm not sure of ticket requirements for semis/NC but I'd guess it would track like other bowl games and have a minimum purchase requirement. I'm not sure what you mean about not having enough money at this point to get to a NC game. On the off chance App were invited and won the semi in the current model, App would be playing in the NC. I also think our fan base would step up and show out for a NC. Not saying we'd show up like the Bamas, OSU and Clemsons of the world with 40k plus but I think we'd bring 20k+, maybe more if the game were played in Atlanta, to what would likely be a once in a lifetime opportunity.

As for "major bowls", I'm assuming you are speaking of the NY6 games. If that is the case, then the Sun Belt conference would receive $4m for having a rep in the NY6, per the previous link. I do not know the conference's allocation. My best guess is each of the 10 football programs would get an equal share or the Sun Belt will skim some off the top and then distribute equally.

If your question is geared more towards a hypothetical playoff expansion where there would be more "major bowls" incorporated in the playoff set-up, I would guess the CFP payouts would be written in similar to the current model. Basically each conference gets X amount (currently $6m to the conference) for each participant, plus X amount (currently $2.43m) to cover expenses for each playoff game.

For example, in an 8 team set up with App in, (keeping current payouts) the Sun Belt would receive $6m ($600k/program if split equally) while App would receive $2.43m. The minimum App would receive is $3.03m and as high as $7.89m if they made the championship.

[bcoach]

Are there requirements for minimum tickets purchased and hotel rooms guaranteed as there are in other major bowls? Honest question. But really I was refering to major bowls leading up to a NC bowl as we will not be seeing a NC game any time soon. We just don't have the money at this point to get to a NC game.

I'm not sure of ticket requirements for semis/NC but I'd guess it would track like other bowl games and have a minimum purchase requirement. I'm not sure what you mean about not having enough money at this point to get to a NC game. On the off chance App were invited and won the semi in the current model, App would be playing in the NC. I also think our fan base would step up and show out for a NC. Not saying we'd show up like the Bamas, OSU and Clemsons of the world with 40k plus but I think we'd bring 20k+, maybe more if the game were played in Atlanta, to what would likely be a once in a lifetime opportunity.

As for "major bowls", I'm assuming you are speaking of the NY6 games. If that is the case, then the Sun Belt conference would receive $4m for having a rep in the NY6, per the previous link. I do not know the conference's allocation. My best guess is each of the 10 football programs would get an equal share or the Sun Belt will skim some off the top and then distribute equally.

If your question is geared more towards a hypothetical playoff expansion where there would be more "major bowls" incorporated in the playoff set-up, I would guess the CFP payouts would be written in similar to the current model. Basically each conference gets X amount (currently $6m to the conference) for each participant, plus X amount (currently $2.43m) to cover expenses for each playoff game.

For example, in an 8 team set up with App in, (keeping current payouts) the Sun Belt would receive $6m ($600k/program if split equally) while App would receive $2.43m. The minimum App would receive is $3.03m and as high as $7.89m if they made the championship.

I am not really a big bowl guy ( other than APP ) so I have not followed it for a while. I just remember that a few years back VT lost something like 700K by going to a bowl. What I meant by the money to get to a NC game is that our program just can't compete with the big boys at this point. Clemson Bama, LSU etc didn't get where they are on our budget. There is just a world of difference between Knocking off a UNC or going to overtime at a Penn State early in the season and playing a Bama at the end. We Have come a long way and have done a great job on our budget but we are an equally long way from playing in a NC in my opinion. We really need more fans stepping up with their wallets to get there.