Here we go again...Looks like the OC is out

[appstatealum]

Definitely. His drive, desire, and passion is second to none. Not discounting that at all. He knows what we want to do and how to make it happen. My concern with him as OC is more that he's unproven. He had one decent season at GW and gave GaSo a scare. But, he also was the OC for an offense that only put up 17 against Monmouth, 21 against Hampton, etc.

If given the opportunity, I think he would succeed eventually. I just don't think we are in a position to let the OC learn on the job right now. We need someone with more experience, in my opinion.

This IS the issue with hiring Clark in 2019. Maybe he can do the job and eventually succeed. But he was hired and had to learn on the job. I thought in 2019 we needed a head coach with more experience.

And at the time he was hired, because of the previous two staffs leaving, we needed someone that could clean up the mess on the back end and stay consistent. That is what Clark has provided.

Is he the ultimate answer? I don't know. But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.

I disagree. Not to the fact he was hired with consistency in mind and some "App Culture" reasons, but I disagree that he has provided that. I feel Clark has flipped the script and, not just my opinion, is unrecognizable to some of us that knew him before. And there are still issues we had with his predecessor, they just look different.

The change was due to players taking advantage of him. Part of the clean up process. The locker room this past season looked more like Satt's locker room. Last year was a good start at getting it there. Clarks first year was a mess of "superstars" thinking they didn't have to play by the same rules as everyone else. Clark did flip the script -- he started enforcing rules again and the players that got away with it didn't like it.

We both know what situations are being referred to, and I agree these things need to be held in check, but totally disregarding relationships (especially considering the post-Covid environment), ignoring players, not addressing injuries etc is not how you handle it. These things occur at all major programs and have to be handled delicately, and considering things I personally heard come out of SCs mouth when Drink was here would lead me to believe he would've handled them better. Super seniors/Classes etc aside, there were some other circumstances that can't be defended, even if it was Saban. Since you mention Satt, I was also privey to his time here and know for a fact he handled things differently than what I saw from SC last year. In my mind, either Clark is out of his league, or he just hasn't figured it all out yet. A HC is a CEO, and CEOs (especially talking CFB where donations/relationships are huge) have to be very intentional with everything. Unfortunately, CFB doesn't afford a HC a long leash to figure it out, especially with a historically successful program like ours. Losing a bowl game in dramatic fashion and following that up by missing a bowl game combined with the other "backstage" instances is not a good look. The pro-day instance was just a small illustration of what the bigger picture seems to be. And we can't downplay that as a nothing burger when a locker room full of student athletes witnessed it and while they may or may not have thought much about it at the time, that'll come back around.
Sorry, long winded. And I can't reiterate how much I like SC as a man, but I know what can happen when someone is put in a situation that they probably shouldn't have been and how that can change them.

[AppStateNews]

This IS the issue with hiring Clark in 2019. Maybe he can do the job and eventually succeed. But he was hired and had to learn on the job. I thought in 2019 we needed a head coach with more experience.

And at the time he was hired, because of the previous two staffs leaving, we needed someone that could clean up the mess on the back end and stay consistent. That is what Clark has provided.

Is he the ultimate answer? I don't know. But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.

I disagree. Not to the fact he was hired with consistency in mind and some "App Culture" reasons, but I disagree that he has provided that. I feel Clark has flipped the script and, not just my opinion, is unrecognizable to some of us that knew him before. And there are still issues we had with his predecessor, they just look different.

The change was due to players taking advantage of him. Part of the clean up process. The locker room this past season looked more like Satt's locker room. Last year was a good start at getting it there. Clarks first year was a mess of "superstars" thinking they didn't have to play by the same rules as everyone else. Clark did flip the script -- he started enforcing rules again and the players that got away with it didn't like it.

We both know what situations are being referred to, and I agree these things need to be held in check, but totally disregarding relationships (especially considering the post-Covid environment), ignoring players, not addressing injuries etc is not how you handle it. These things occur at all major programs and have to be handled delicately, and considering things I personally heard come out of SCs mouth when Drink was here would lead me to believe he would've handled them better. Super seniors/Classes etc aside, there were some other circumstances that can't be defended, even if it was Saban. Since you mention Satt, I was also privey to his time here and know for a fact he handled things differently than what I saw from SC last year. In my mind, either Clark is out of his league, or he just hasn't figured it all out yet. A HC is a CEO, and CEOs (especially talking CFB where donations/relationships are huge) have to be very intentional with everything. Unfortunately, CFB doesn't afford a HC a long leash to figure it out, especially with a historically successful program like ours. Losing a bowl game in dramatic fashion and following that up by missing a bowl game combined with the other "backstage" instances is not a good look. The pro-day instance was just a small illustration of what the bigger picture seems to be. And we can't downplay that as a nothing burger when a locker room full of student athletes witnessed it and while they may or may not have thought much about it at the time, that'll come back around.
Sorry, long winded. And I can't reiterate how much I like SC as a man, but I know what can happen when someone is put in a situation that they probably shouldn't have been and how that can change them.

This is likely a discussion better not on a public forum. But, when kids skip class, workouts, nutrition check ins, training room, etc consistently there is only so much a coach can do. If the player doesn't want to do the work outlined by the professionals because they skip said sessions, there isn't a whole lot more that can be done.

If an injured player goes to a coach with concerns about said injury, and the coach asks the training staff about it, and the training staff says "he hasn't been in the training room for 2 weeks. We didn't even know about this," there's only so much a coach can do. You can lead a horse to the water, but can't force them to drink it.

I know a player that got in legal trouble and would have been kicked off the team by Drink if Clark didn't stand up for him. So, lets not act like Clark doesn't have his players backs.

I agree the pro day thing was really weird and should not be taken for granted. Not excusing that one bit.

[appstatealum]

We are on the same page with your last comment for sure. That's why I don't want to piece-meal occurrences and I'm just looking at everything on a macro-level and trying to evaluate from there with things that have been said or things that have just been innuendo.

[AppState89]

And at the time he was hired, because of the previous two staffs leaving, we needed someone that could clean up the mess on the back end and stay consistent. That is what Clark has provided.

Is he the ultimate answer? I don't know. But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.

I disagree. Not to the fact he was hired with consistency in mind and some "App Culture" reasons, but I disagree that he has provided that. I feel Clark has flipped the script and, not just my opinion, is unrecognizable to some of us that knew him before. And there are still issues we had with his predecessor, they just look different.

The change was due to players taking advantage of him. Part of the clean up process. The locker room this past season looked more like Satt's locker room. Last year was a good start at getting it there. Clarks first year was a mess of "superstars" thinking they didn't have to play by the same rules as everyone else. Clark did flip the script -- he started enforcing rules again and the players that got away with it didn't like it.

We both know what situations are being referred to, and I agree these things need to be held in check, but totally disregarding relationships (especially considering the post-Covid environment), ignoring players, not addressing injuries etc is not how you handle it. These things occur at all major programs and have to be handled delicately, and considering things I personally heard come out of SCs mouth when Drink was here would lead me to believe he would've handled them better. Super seniors/Classes etc aside, there were some other circumstances that can't be defended, even if it was Saban. Since you mention Satt, I was also privey to his time here and know for a fact he handled things differently than what I saw from SC last year. In my mind, either Clark is out of his league, or he just hasn't figured it all out yet. A HC is a CEO, and CEOs (especially talking CFB where donations/relationships are huge) have to be very intentional with everything. Unfortunately, CFB doesn't afford a HC a long leash to figure it out, especially with a historically successful program like ours. Losing a bowl game in dramatic fashion and following that up by missing a bowl game combined with the other "backstage" instances is not a good look. The pro-day instance was just a small illustration of what the bigger picture seems to be. And we can't downplay that as a nothing burger when a locker room full of student athletes witnessed it and while they may or may not have thought much about it at the time, that'll come back around.
Sorry, long winded. And I can't reiterate how much I like SC as a man, but I know what can happen when someone is put in a situation that they probably shouldn't have been and how that can change them.

This is likely a discussion better not on a public forum. But, when kids skip class, workouts, nutrition check ins, training room, etc consistently there is only so much a coach can do. If the player doesn't want to do the work outlined by the professionals because they skip said sessions, there isn't a whole lot more that can be done.

If an injured player goes to a coach with concerns about said injury, and the coach asks the training staff about it, and the training staff says "he hasn't been in the training room for 2 weeks. We didn't even know about this," there's only so much a coach can do. You can lead a horse to the water, but can't force them to drink it.

I know a player that got in legal trouble and would have been kicked off the team by Drink if Clark didn't stand up for him. So, lets not act like Clark doesn't have his players backs.

I agree the pro day thing was really weird and should not be taken for granted. Not excusing that one bit.

And is said player(s) skip class and fail, then the scolly should be taken away and kicked off the team. I don't care if they are the best players on the team or not. It's our dime paying them to get a FREE education. It is almost impossible to fail classes as an athlete with the help that is provided to them to pass.

AppStateNews...keep posting the truth and you 100% know what you're talking about. A lot of the stuff you post, I know of 1st hand too.

[boonetown1]

And at the time he was hired, because of the previous two staffs leaving, we needed someone that could clean up the mess on the back end and stay consistent. That is what Clark has provided.

Is he the ultimate answer? I don't know. But I do know we would be in a much worse situation if we didn't have the consistency he's provided.

I disagree. Not to the fact he was hired with consistency in mind and some "App Culture" reasons, but I disagree that he has provided that. I feel Clark has flipped the script and, not just my opinion, is unrecognizable to some of us that knew him before. And there are still issues we had with his predecessor, they just look different.

The change was due to players taking advantage of him. Part of the clean up process. The locker room this past season looked more like Satt's locker room. Last year was a good start at getting it there. Clarks first year was a mess of "superstars" thinking they didn't have to play by the same rules as everyone else. Clark did flip the script -- he started enforcing rules again and the players that got away with it didn't like it.

We both know what situations are being referred to, and I agree these things need to be held in check, but totally disregarding relationships (especially considering the post-Covid environment), ignoring players, not addressing injuries etc is not how you handle it. These things occur at all major programs and have to be handled delicately, and considering things I personally heard come out of SCs mouth when Drink was here would lead me to believe he would've handled them better. Super seniors/Classes etc aside, there were some other circumstances that can't be defended, even if it was Saban. Since you mention Satt, I was also privey to his time here and know for a fact he handled things differently than what I saw from SC last year. In my mind, either Clark is out of his league, or he just hasn't figured it all out yet. A HC is a CEO, and CEOs (especially talking CFB where donations/relationships are huge) have to be very intentional with everything. Unfortunately, CFB doesn't afford a HC a long leash to figure it out, especially with a historically successful program like ours. Losing a bowl game in dramatic fashion and following that up by missing a bowl game combined with the other "backstage" instances is not a good look. The pro-day instance was just a small illustration of what the bigger picture seems to be. And we can't downplay that as a nothing burger when a locker room full of student athletes witnessed it and while they may or may not have thought much about it at the time, that'll come back around.
Sorry, long winded. And I can't reiterate how much I like SC as a man, but I know what can happen when someone is put in a situation that they probably shouldn't have been and how that can change them.

This is likely a discussion better not on a public forum. But, when kids skip class, workouts, nutrition check ins, training room, etc consistently there is only so much a coach can do. If the player doesn't want to do the work outlined by the professionals because they skip said sessions, there isn't a whole lot more that can be done.

If an injured player goes to a coach with concerns about said injury, and the coach asks the training staff about it, and the training staff says "he hasn't been in the training room for 2 weeks. We didn't even know about this," there's only so much a coach can do. You can lead a horse to the water, but can't force them to drink it.

I know a player that got in legal trouble and would have been kicked off the team by Drink if Clark didn't stand up for him. So, lets not act like Clark doesn't have his players backs.

I agree the pro day thing was really weird and should not be taken for granted. Not excusing that one bit.

Anyone care to elaborate on the pro day scenario?

[AppYosef!]

Remember back in 2019 when Ken Dorsey was on the staff for a short time? Wouldn't it be nice to have him back as OC....oh wait, he's already got a gig calling the plays for the Buffalo Bills as they try to make it to the Super Bowl.

[hapapp]

Barbay is essentially making at Miss State what we pay our HC.

[Black Saturday]

Screw this administration. They cut the football coaching salaries and this is the never ending shit that happens. Everts and Gillin can kick rocks. I said what I said. We need leadership who is committed to elevating our school and athletic department. We once had that but don't anymore

I thought we increased the assistant salary pool?

Barbay and others were hired with the reduced budget. Even IF we increased it, it is too late because now we are years behind after staying stagnant and reducing the budget constantly. This admin needs to look in the mirror and asks themselves if they want 30K people showing up to their school on gamedays or if they are satisfied with being a backsliding once was in the world of college football.

Barbay likely tripled his salary today. There is nothing that our administration could do to compete with that.

Barbay had a good September, and disappeared.

[AppSt94]

Screw this administration. They cut the football coaching salaries and this is the never ending shit that happens. Everts and Gillin can kick rocks. I said what I said. We need leadership who is committed to elevating our school and athletic department. We once had that but don't anymore

I thought we increased the assistant salary pool?

Barbay and others were hired with the reduced budget. Even IF we increased it, it is too late because now we are years behind after staying stagnant and reducing the budget constantly. This admin needs to look in the mirror and asks themselves if they want 30K people showing up to their school on gamedays or if they are satisfied with being a backsliding once was in the world of college football.

Barbay likely tripled his salary today. There is nothing that our administration could do to compete with that.

Barbay had a good September, and disappeared.

If you are convinced of that then there isn’t much reason to discuss. Agree to disagree.

[Saint3333]

The play calling was more dynamic in September than the remainder of the year. We can debate why that may be (injuries, other inputs, etc.), but the calls and formations did take a step back.

[311neers]

Clemson just fired their OC....

[appdaze]

As long as coaches leave for what are perceived as higher positions I actually don't mind this happening. It means our program is a respected and sought after place to hire from.

If our coaches start getting let go and or fired to be sent to lesser teams then we are really in trouble as it would then mean the opposite.

It stinks we lose coaches but it means we are worth poaching from. It's up to the Admin, the players, the alum, and the general fans to keep the culture alive. Coaches can be replaced. Cultures can take years if not decades to fix. It's partly our job on message boards to keep the culture alive as well. Critical when necessary but hopefully mostly positive.

[appstatealum]

As long as coaches leave for what are perceived as higher positions I actually don't mind this happening. It means our program is a respected and sought after place to hire from.

If our coaches start getting let go and or fired to be sent to lesser teams then we are really in trouble as it would then mean the opposite.

It stinks we lose coaches but it means we are worth poaching from. It's up to the Admin, the players, the alum, and the general fans to keep the culture alive. Coaches can be replaced. Cultures can take years if not decades to fix. It's partly our job on message boards to keep the culture alive as well. Critical when necessary but hopefully mostly positive.

One of the biggest aspects of that is having a culture that nurtures our past and the key guys who were a part of that. This is severely lacking currently even after things have been proposed to address it.

[AppYosef!]

Clemson just fired their OC....

I hope someone is on the phone to Streeter. He did a decent job this year considering the problems with the starting QB. I never did think Uiagalelei looked like he was quite the player Clemson is used to in that position. I think they already have their starter for next year in mind and they should be better on offense with a more stable QB at the helm. With that said...I am surprised at the change at OC unless there is some underlying reason.

[Appstate88]

I don’t know how we do it. We will need to double the annual salary pool for coordinators and assistant coaches. Also offer options for two year contracts after a successful first year as an assistant with a buyout added as soon as the season ends.

[goapps93]

I’m afraid even if we could bring Streeter to Boone we would be in the same situation after next season.

[VNova]

I’m afraid even if we could bring Streeter to Boone we would be in the same situation after next season.

The burden of success with limited funds.

[AppFan11]

TCU has it rough too…. lost Garrett Riley to Clemson…OC.

[biggie]

I’m afraid even if we could bring Streeter to Boone we would be in the same situation after next season.

The burden of success with limited funds.

Doesn’t even take success it seems

[311neers]

TCU has it rough too…. lost Garrett Riley to Clemson…OC.

Wonder how he will do going from a secular school to a christian one?