Birmingham Bowl

[hapapp]

I'm not sure you want a run first QB but a more creative approach would have seen what a good situational QB he could/can be. Especially since we didn't have anyone in that room that came close to his mobility.

I'm anxious to see the direction we go in the portal.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

I'm not sure you want a run first QB but a more creative approach would have seen what a good situational QB he could/can be. Especially since we didn't have anyone in that room that came close to his mobility.

I'm anxious to see the direction we go in the portal.

I’m not a fan of that kind of system but State had a guy they brought in for situational short yardage plays and it was pretty successful

[311neers]

I'm not sure you want a run first QB but a more creative approach would have seen what a good situational QB he could/can be. Especially since we didn't have anyone in that room that came close to his mobility.

I'm anxious to see the direction we go in the portal.

I’m not a fan of that kind of system but State had a guy they brought in for situational short yardage plays and it was pretty successful

Will Wilson is also like 6’2 230 lbs.
(Not related)

[ah59396]

I’ll ask the same question, I asked weeks ago and never saw a decent response.
Outside of DJ’s defense, where did we improve this year in season? What mistakes did we stop making?

You can say we didn’t have the horses, but part of the job is development and improvement. This group was together continually from the beginning of August until the end of the year.

I want to see what he does with his own guys. End of story. If he can’t get it done with his own personnel, happy trails.

It’s honestly very difficult to have any genuine conversation on this staff because so many people here have obvious emotional agendas connected with this staff vs the prior. I have/had no personal connection with either.

If Loggains can’t get it done with his own guys, see ya. but we should give him time to find out.

I have zero personal agenda with this staff. My opinions are based only on what I have seen this year. When you say his own guys, just what do you mean by that, what is the percentage for you? I mean, there were over 50 new players on this year's team, I would call that his own guys. Most of the offense he brought in from the portal, and much of the defense. How much more does he need to bring in for it to be his guys? In this new era of college football, a team's fortunes can turn around almost immediately. I have given plenty of examples in other threads of first year coaches that replaced the same number of players in the first year yet were still able to have success. I hope you are right; I want App to win again, I just don't see it with this staff.

His own guys means a full recruitment cycle - at minimum. I'll take you at your word that you have no agenda, he was announced as head coach on Dec 7th of 2024.

He got to recruit zero high school players. Personally, barring catastrophic off-field issues or like, 1-11 seasons, I'm an advocate for letting all coaching staffs get their high school recruits to a sophomore season. Coaching staffs have unique schemes and want players that fit them. I get we don't live in a world of patience anymore and my opinion is probably unpopular, but I stand by it and probably can't be convinced otherwise.

He also had effectively a month to scout/recruit/and close all winter transfers by Jan 16th. And a couple months to prep for the tiny April window for leftovers.

I am of the opinion he was likely in a full scramble filling gaps and did the best he could with basically no time. We don't have to agree, he may be a massive catastrophic failure, it's yet to be seen. And I have no dog in this fight I just want App to be successful. I'm just suggesting it's too early to making sweeping judgments.

If he's a gigantic bust and we are a disaster next year I fully invite you to come tell me to eat crow. I'm comfortable being wrong although for the sake of App I hope I'm not in this case.

[Stonewall]

I thought Alexander showed out pretty well both running and receiving. Again , his first real live fire so that’s positive.

[appdaze]

What are y'all talking about? You gotta take off the gold glasses for a second. Armanti DEVELOPED into a great passer. Look at his completion percentage rise throughout his 4 years. Look at the drop in interceptions. Look at the rise in attempts with that completion percentage. Armanti was not a great passer his freshman year. I would argue he was average at best and that was with the threat of K-Rich taking pressure off him and the passing game. This is a similar situation here except Wilson was not given the chance to develop.

Season Passing Rushing
GP GS Rating Comp Att % Yards TD INT Att Yards Avg TD
2006 15 13 140.72 167 274 60.9 2,251 15 10 188 1,153 6.1 15
2007 11 11 159.34 148 222 66.7 1,948 17 7 237 1,588 6.7 21
2008 13 13 170.20 196 306 64.1 2,902 30 9 193 941 4.9 11
2009 12 12 147.90 257 378 68.0 3,291 12 7 137 679 5.0 18
Totals 51 49 154.54 768 1,180 65.1 10,392 74 33 755 4,361 5.8 65

[Saint3333]

12k in attendance, worst in the history of that bowl, and yes I’m part of that problem.

[Stonewall]

We watched Ritchie Williams go from oops to WOW ! Among others.

[Saint3333]

Wilson is a slow and stronger Pressly.

[t4pizza]

I’ll ask the same question, I asked weeks ago and never saw a decent response.
Outside of DJ’s defense, where did we improve this year in season? What mistakes did we stop making?

You can say we didn’t have the horses, but part of the job is development and improvement. This group was together continually from the beginning of August until the end of the year.

I want to see what he does with his own guys. End of story. If he can’t get it done with his own personnel, happy trails.

It’s honestly very difficult to have any genuine conversation on this staff because so many people here have obvious emotional agendas connected with this staff vs the prior. I have/had no personal connection with either.

If Loggains can’t get it done with his own guys, see ya. but we should give him time to find out.

I have zero personal agenda with this staff. My opinions are based only on what I have seen this year. When you say his own guys, just what do you mean by that, what is the percentage for you? I mean, there were over 50 new players on this year's team, I would call that his own guys. Most of the offense he brought in from the portal, and much of the defense. How much more does he need to bring in for it to be his guys? In this new era of college football, a team's fortunes can turn around almost immediately. I have given plenty of examples in other threads of first year coaches that replaced the same number of players in the first year yet were still able to have success. I hope you are right; I want App to win again, I just don't see it with this staff.

His own guys means a full recruitment cycle - at minimum. I'll take you at your word that you have no agenda, he was announced as head coach on Dec 7th of 2024.

He got to recruit zero high school players. Personally, barring catastrophic off-field issues or like, 1-11 seasons, I'm an advocate for letting all coaching staffs get their high school recruits to a sophomore season. Coaching staffs have unique schemes and want players that fit them. I get we don't live in a world of patience anymore and my opinion is probably unpopular, but I stand by it and probably can't be convinced otherwise.

He also had effectively a month to scout/recruit/and close all winter transfers by Jan 16th. And a couple months to prep for the tiny April window for leftovers.

I am of the opinion he was likely in a full scramble filling gaps and did the best he could with basically no time. We don't have to agree, he may be a massive catastrophic failure, it's yet to be seen. And I have no dog in this fight I just want App to be successful. I'm just suggesting it's too early to making sweeping judgments.

If he's a gigantic bust and we are a disaster next year I fully invite you to come tell me to eat crow. I'm comfortable being wrong although for the sake of App I hope I'm not in this case.

Prior to unlimited transfers and the transfer portal, I would agree that any new coach should get at least 3 and most likely 4 years to get things moving in the right direction. But that is no longer the college football world. Sadly, patience is no longer an option in college football. I have already stated, and will again here, that I was premature in calling for his head after the JMU debacle. He does need at least a year more. I hope your optimism is warranted because I want nothing more than to have a very good football team again.

[spacemonkey]

I believe you should get two years now with the portal. I don't think Dlo got his full first year because of timing of the hire, but I don't know what it is really like. I imagine the people paying the NIL money get some say now on what they think about the coach as much as the AD.

It may be in the future we hire a new coach before we fire the current coach to give them the full portal recruiting time. It does seem like Indiana and Southern miss hiring a coach that can bring the team may be a stratagy as well. I don't like the idea but it seams to work.

[ah59396]

I’ll ask the same question, I asked weeks ago and never saw a decent response.
Outside of DJ’s defense, where did we improve this year in season? What mistakes did we stop making?

You can say we didn’t have the horses, but part of the job is development and improvement. This group was together continually from the beginning of August until the end of the year.

I want to see what he does with his own guys. End of story. If he can’t get it done with his own personnel, happy trails.

It’s honestly very difficult to have any genuine conversation on this staff because so many people here have obvious emotional agendas connected with this staff vs the prior. I have/had no personal connection with either.

If Loggains can’t get it done with his own guys, see ya. but we should give him time to find out.

I have zero personal agenda with this staff. My opinions are based only on what I have seen this year. When you say his own guys, just what do you mean by that, what is the percentage for you? I mean, there were over 50 new players on this year's team, I would call that his own guys. Most of the offense he brought in from the portal, and much of the defense. How much more does he need to bring in for it to be his guys? In this new era of college football, a team's fortunes can turn around almost immediately. I have given plenty of examples in other threads of first year coaches that replaced the same number of players in the first year yet were still able to have success. I hope you are right; I want App to win again, I just don't see it with this staff.

His own guys means a full recruitment cycle - at minimum. I'll take you at your word that you have no agenda, he was announced as head coach on Dec 7th of 2024.

He got to recruit zero high school players. Personally, barring catastrophic off-field issues or like, 1-11 seasons, I'm an advocate for letting all coaching staffs get their high school recruits to a sophomore season. Coaching staffs have unique schemes and want players that fit them. I get we don't live in a world of patience anymore and my opinion is probably unpopular, but I stand by it and probably can't be convinced otherwise.

He also had effectively a month to scout/recruit/and close all winter transfers by Jan 16th. And a couple months to prep for the tiny April window for leftovers.

I am of the opinion he was likely in a full scramble filling gaps and did the best he could with basically no time. We don't have to agree, he may be a massive catastrophic failure, it's yet to be seen. And I have no dog in this fight I just want App to be successful. I'm just suggesting it's too early to making sweeping judgments.

If he's a gigantic bust and we are a disaster next year I fully invite you to come tell me to eat crow. I'm comfortable being wrong although for the sake of App I hope I'm not in this case.

Prior to unlimited transfers and the transfer portal, I would agree that any new coach should get at least 3 and most likely 4 years to get things moving in the right direction. But that is no longer the college football world. Sadly, patience is no longer an option in college football. I have already stated, and will again here, that I was premature in calling for his head after the JMU debacle. He does need at least a year more. I hope your optimism is warranted because I want nothing more than to have a very good football team again.

Wanting App football to be good is something we can all agree on!

[MrCraig]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

[mike87]

What are y'all talking about? You gotta take off the gold glasses for a second. Armanti DEVELOPED into a great passer. Look at his completion percentage rise throughout his 4 years. Look at the drop in interceptions. Look at the rise in attempts with that completion percentage. Armanti was not a great passer his freshman year. I would argue he was average at best and that was with the threat of K-Rich taking pressure off him and the passing game. This is a similar situation here except Wilson was not given the chance to develop.

Season Passing Rushing
GP GS Rating Comp Att % Yards TD INT Att Yards Avg TD
2006 15 13 140.72 167 274 60.9 2,251 15 10 188 1,153 6.1 15
2007 11 11 159.34 148 222 66.7 1,948 17 7 237 1,588 6.7 21
2008 13 13 170.20 196 306 64.1 2,902 30 9 193 941 4.9 11
2009 12 12 147.90 257 378 68.0 3,291 12 7 137 679 5.0 18
Totals 51 49 154.54 768 1,180 65.1 10,392 74 33 755 4,361 5.8 65

That was how I recalled it. Loved him of course, but he would sling it sometimes and we would cringe. That was after scrambling sideline to sideline, fumbling twice and picking it back up and with one foot planted and the other in a defender's face!

[Bootsy]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

All fair points. Wilson wasn’t ready for prime time, since the guy didn’t take snaps as a QB all season. But did he show enough flash in the bowl game to convince you that the kid has potential to be developed into a QB who could bring value?

Yes.

[BambooRdApp]

If Wilson decides to stay and DLo is committed to giving him a chance, I wonder if the QB whisperer on the staff can help with his accuracy. I get that he had an on target throw to 8 down the sideline. However, there were various throws that were not even close to accurate (D1 FBS accuracy). He seems to have decent arm strength. Stink's secondary was their weakness this year. It would be great if he could be the guy. However, at this point not sold on his ability to be accurate. Maybe if he is given more reps that could happen.
I am thinking about the JMUs of the world and competing with them. JMU will stop the run and require the QB to beat them with the passing game.

[biggie]

If Wilson decides to stay and DLo is committed to giving him a chance, I wonder if the QB whisperer on the staff can help with his accuracy. I get that he had an on target throw to 8 down the sideline. However, there were various throws that were not even close to accurate (D1 FBS accuracy). He seems to have decent arm strength. Stink's secondary was their weakness this year. It would be great if he could be the guy. However, at this point not sold on his ability to be accurate. Maybe if he is given more reps that could happen.
I am thinking about the JMUs of the world and competing with them. JMU will stop the run and require the QB to beat them with the passing game.

Wonder if he stays if we get a 1 year QB from the portal and tries to develop over the year to possibly take over year after next? But may also depend on our HS recruit(s) coming in.
He could probably go to lower school (like FCS) and start and do pretty well.

[Bootsy]

If Wilson decides to stay and DLo is committed to giving him a chance, I wonder if the QB whisperer on the staff can help with his accuracy. I get that he had an on target throw to 8 down the sideline. However, there were various throws that were not even close to accurate (D1 FBS accuracy). He seems to have decent arm strength. Stink's secondary was their weakness this year. It would be great if he could be the guy. However, at this point not sold on his ability to be accurate. Maybe if he is given more reps that could happen.
I am thinking about the JMUs of the world and competing with them. JMU will stop the run and require the QB to beat them with the passing game.

Your concerns are valid; It’s difficult to say right now what Wilson is capable of delivering, considering he played DB all season and had very little time to tighten up on the offensive playbook, take snaps and get comfortable with the WR’s before the game. We should expect his passing game to be rusty.

[BambooRdApp]

If Wilson decides to stay and DLo is committed to giving him a chance, I wonder if the QB whisperer on the staff can help with his accuracy. I get that he had an on target throw to 8 down the sideline. However, there were various throws that were not even close to accurate (D1 FBS accuracy). He seems to have decent arm strength. Stink's secondary was their weakness this year. It would be great if he could be the guy. However, at this point not sold on his ability to be accurate. Maybe if he is given more reps that could happen.
I am thinking about the JMUs of the world and competing with them. JMU will stop the run and require the QB to beat them with the passing game.

Your concerns are valid; It’s difficult to say right now what Wilson is capable of delivering, considering he played DB all season and had very little time to tighten up on the offensive playbook, take snaps and get comfortable with the WR’s before the game. We should expect his passing game to be rusty.

Re-watched the game this morning..just offense when 6 was at QB. Although the first INT was a bad decision, the pass was on target to our WR. The second was not a bad decision. Just a poor throw. Prior to 2nd int, 6 threw a decent ball on a slant to 16. May have been a little bit of alligator arms by 16 given all the Stink defenders in the vicinity.
With that said, 6 does change the offense.
I was very impressed with OL play.

[Saint3333]

I don't see how a long-time coach couldn't leave Wilson the rest of the game after the first 20-25 minutes of play.

I believe this is another example of the transfer portal impacting decisions and coaches thinking about managing personalities vs. one game at a time.