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[bcoach]

We have the reality that hopefully we get the overlooked guy who comes to Boone, establishes at least a one year relationship then pulls a Joey and stays out of love and personal commitment. Unfortunately the bad side of the reality is that the guy elevates his game and becomes a valuable commodity for a higher level program who can simply cut him a check (so to speak). So do we now have portal experts who do virtually nothing but monitor that aspect of recruiting?

There are people with schools who do nothing but monitor the portal. P4 schools are investing big time in having staff who actually look at players before they enter and then try to lure them in. Don't tell me that is illegal because something is only illegal if it is enforced lol. It is happening big time. Some schools are spending more time in the portal than they do with HS recruiting.

You do know that App does this to a certain degree as well. We have staff that monitor the portal and scout players as well. As for the suggested activity that is seen as “illegal”, I can’t speak to whether that happens or not.

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

We will not compete financially with JMU either. May be others. Pay for play is going tp wreck college ball

[AppSt94]

There are people with schools who do nothing but monitor the portal. P4 schools are investing big time in having staff who actually look at players before they enter and then try to lure them in. Don't tell me that is illegal because something is only illegal if it is enforced lol. It is happening big time. Some schools are spending more time in the portal than they do with HS recruiting.

You do know that App does this to a certain degree as well. We have staff that monitor the portal and scout players as well. As for the suggested activity that is seen as “illegal”, I can’t speak to whether that happens or not.

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

We will not compete financially with JMU either. May be others. Pay for play is going tp wreck college ball

Do we know this or is this speculation? I’ve heard the whole argument that App needs to get in the game, but I’ve also heard the same from other schools.

[bcoach]

You do know that App does this to a certain degree as well. We have staff that monitor the portal and scout players as well. As for the suggested activity that is seen as “illegal”, I can’t speak to whether that happens or not.

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

We will not compete financially with JMU either. May be others. Pay for play is going tp wreck college ball

Do we know this or is this speculation? I’ve heard the whole argument that App needs to get in the game, but I’ve also heard the same from other schools.

I was told by a couple of people who "should" know that their pool of avalible money is in excess of a mil.

[WASU 93]

Our new recruiting situation is to get them on campus. Have them fall in love with Boone. And, then they transfer back after they de-commit and are looking for their next option.

While some may not like it, having a long term head coach and a culture to come home to might be our best approach. We have stayed in the Top 25% of the Sun Belt. Troy was good before we came to the Belt, then had a drought, then was good, and now..... GaSo was good the first few years and has been mediocre to bad. LaLa was good until Napier skipped town. Coastal's ship will run aground. JMU TBD, but their coach and QB bolted. Texas State has risen from the embers to be the latest shiny object.

Our answer to NIL is finding players who want to be a part of something different, in a special place with a winning culture. Or, the JuCo players that appreciate a chance.

Agree with you up until the last part. There is a need to create some NIL funds or we risk falling behind some of our peers. Liberty is already ahead of everyone as is Memphis. You don’t need a war chest but you do need enough to make it worth their while. And JuCo kids want money too.

I'm not saying no NIL, simply that we aren't going to outspend many in D1, so we've got to find players who have additional motivations for playing in Boone.

[AppSt94]

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

We will not compete financially with JMU either. May be others. Pay for play is going tp wreck college ball

Do we know this or is this speculation? I’ve heard the whole argument that App needs to get in the game, but I’ve also heard the same from other schools.

I was told by a couple of people who "should" know that their pool of avalible money is in excess of a mil.

Do we know what App’s is?

[appstatealum]

I'd argue we need to be a version of the "Atlantic league" in minor league baseball. A highly competitive team who has a rotating roster of guys trying to prove themselves and get the "next big thing". Be a layover for up and coming coaches, transfer players, or guys coming out of high school proving they are worth more stars or a starting gig somewhere else. We would have a highly competitive squad every year and a lot of PR. We may even strike gold and have a CFP appearance or two every so often.

[bcoach]

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

We will not compete financially with JMU either. May be others. Pay for play is going tp wreck college ball

Do we know this or is this speculation? I’ve heard the whole argument that App needs to get in the game, but I’ve also heard the same from other schools.

I was told by a couple of people who "should" know that their pool of avalible money is in excess of a mil.

Do we know what App’s is?

I do not.

[AppSt94]

There are people with schools who do nothing but monitor the portal. P4 schools are investing big time in having staff who actually look at players before they enter and then try to lure them in. Don't tell me that is illegal because something is only illegal if it is enforced lol. It is happening big time. Some schools are spending more time in the portal than they do with HS recruiting.

You do know that App does this to a certain degree as well. We have staff that monitor the portal and scout players as well. As for the suggested activity that is seen as “illegal”, I can’t speak to whether that happens or not.

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

We will not compete financially with JMU either. May be others. Pay for play is going tp wreck college ball

Are you using JMU as an example because they are a peer or because of the new law in Virginia that allows the school to pay players directly?

[bcoach]

You do know that App does this to a certain degree as well. We have staff that monitor the portal and scout players as well. As for the suggested activity that is seen as “illegal”, I can’t speak to whether that happens or not.

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

We will not compete financially with JMU either. May be others. Pay for play is going tp wreck college ball

Are you using JMU as an example because they are a peer or because of the new law in Virginia that allows the school to pay players directly?

Because they are a peer.

[app97]

Committed to Oklahoma State and the coach who always whines about NIL.

Apparently he flipped again…to Oklahoma

[311neers]

Committed to Oklahoma State and the coach who always whines about NIL.

Apparently he flipped again…to Oklahoma

Oklahoma State was one of the worst P5 teams in America. Good decision young man.

[t4pizza]

Committed to Oklahoma State and the coach who always whines about NIL.

Apparently he flipped again…to Oklahoma

Oklahoma State was one of the worst P5 teams in America. Good decision young man.

It was this year but that is really an anomaly under Gundy. He is essentially the bright light in Oklahoma State football whether as a player or coach. He will right the ship.

[Pikapp79]

There are people with schools who do nothing but monitor the portal. P4 schools are investing big time in having staff who actually look at players before they enter and then try to lure them in. Don't tell me that is illegal because something is only illegal if it is enforced lol. It is happening big time. Some schools are spending more time in the portal than they do with HS recruiting.

You do know that App does this to a certain degree as well. We have staff that monitor the portal and scout players as well. As for the suggested activity that is seen as “illegal”, I can’t speak to whether that happens or not.

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

We will not compete financially with JMU either. May be others. Pay for play is going tp wreck college ball

Already has.

[AppWyo]

There are people with schools who do nothing but monitor the portal. P4 schools are investing big time in having staff who actually look at players before they enter and then try to lure them in. Don't tell me that is illegal because something is only illegal if it is enforced lol. It is happening big time. Some schools are spending more time in the portal than they do with HS recruiting.

You do know that App does this to a certain degree as well. We have staff that monitor the portal and scout players as well. As for the suggested activity that is seen as “illegal”, I can’t speak to whether that happens or not.

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

We will not compete financially with JMU either. May be others. Pay for play is going tp wreck college ball

The teams that are wrecked the most by pay for play are the Alabama's, Michigan's, USC's, Ohio State's, Miami's of the world, because it is legal for everyone to do what they had bag men do for them. Pay for play has leveled the playing field for all in a sense. So has the transfer portal and the college football playoff with automatic bids. College football is more of a level playing field than it has ever been.

College football has not been wrecked it has been adjusted to be more fair...

[Saint3333]

Level for the P4 sure, but it is not level for the 133 programs.

[ericsaid]

You do know that App does this to a certain degree as well. We have staff that monitor the portal and scout players as well. As for the suggested activity that is seen as “illegal”, I can’t speak to whether that happens or not.

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

We will not compete financially with JMU either. May be others. Pay for play is going tp wreck college ball

Already has.

I don’t know how much was talent and how much was coaching. The failure point on defense was the middle linebacker position and star. The failure point on offense was, predictably I might add, starting four new guys who have never played together until this past offseason.


I think we will see how much of an issue coaching was rather than talent level.

[Pikapp79]

I know we are but we aren't spending anywhere near the money nor do we have near the staff size doing it that schools like Alabama, Texas Tech, etc are doing. I mention those schools because I know they paid their GMs massive money and I looked to see their staff size and what they are doing. They are investing amounts of money that we just can't.

As far as illegal goes players are not supposed to be lured into the portal but we know that there was tampering with one of our basketball players and this happens big time in football. We have had SC and some other schools reach out through back door channels to some of our players. I heard SC reached out to Nick Hampton and D'Marco Jackson and happened with others. It is not technically illegal to reach out to a HS coach of a player and put the bug in their ear so that is their way to work around it but it has the same result and is a loophole that was an unintended consequence to the rule. I heard Shawn won't do that and waits for them to enter the portal but I don't know either way on what he specifically allows.

I don’t feel that it’s necessary to use schools like Alabama, Texas Tech or any school in a P4 conference because it isn’t relevant. We aren’t in a place to get that level. We aren’t going to compete with Liberty either. We live in a world where we need to focus on keeping up with our peers, and not worrying about what a bigger school can do with resources to potentially lure players away. Is it going to happen? Sure. Is it a problem that is being overblown for dramatic affect? I believe so. The big boys are going to have the resources to go get the best talent that they think that they can get. That can be from a G5 school or more likely another P5. If a kid wants to leave, they are going to leave. If they want to stay, they are going to stay. If they want to stay but only if you make it worth their while, then adios.

We will not compete financially with JMU either. May be others. Pay for play is going tp wreck college ball

Already has.

I don’t know how much was talent and how much was coaching. The failure point on defense was the middle linebacker position and star. The failure point on offense was, predictably I might add, starting four new guys who have never played together until this past offseason.


I think we will see how much of an issue coaching was rather than talent level.

It’s both and both are on coaches.