Coaching Question

[BallantyneApp]

DG - is going for safe former FBS Head Coach at this point, he's had two straight first time Head Coaches in Drink and Clark -- He can't risk the 1-AA guys, but hey if he gets turned down a few times you never know.

Who is over more salary money CLT or APP?

Who has more NIL CLT or APP?

The fan base and tradition are in favor of APP?

Easier conference to win most likely CLT's.

Where would you rather live and raise a family CLT or Boone?

Both schools going after same pool of candidates.

I would be interested in actually knowing 1 and 2

Poggi and Clark made the same $$. Poggi donated half to the assistant pool.

Poggi and friends were ringleadong uncc nil. Who knows how much the northwood ravin guy can do on his own.

Uncc might have the easier conference overall but the top aac teams are historically better than the top sbc teams. Uncc is also at the bottom of the aac resource totem pole and App is close to the top of the sbc.

For a coach with ambition which program is more likely to get him noticed by p4/p2 teams?

The one that has sent 2 of the last 3 to p4 or the one that has stalled the careers of all former coaches?

[hapapp]

Maybe Tre Lamb would be a great coach for Appalachian State - but sometime around 2030 after he proves he can do it somewhere else in the highest fashion. Give him more time.

Lamb won't be available in 5 more years. That much is clear. If he takes ETSU to 9 wins this coming year, he will be gone. His success at GWU is overlooked by many here but I can promise you that it isn't overlooked by administrators. Taking a 1-11 ETSU team to 7-5, while playing App tight for 3 quarters and having NDSU on the ropes just three weeks into the following season is ridiculous as well.

Again, he won't be around the next time. And if App makes the wrong hire and hires a coordinator that thinks they are taking over a well oiled machine, as Drinkwitz did, App becomes ECU for the next five years. The program would never recover from that, as ECU's hasn't, and won't.

App lost the Boise State trajectory and is trending to be more in line with the mortals and I don't think you all want that. You hire a coordinator, you run a huge risk of the unknown. The only coordinator I would be interested in is Ponce. He had opportunities to leave App for gigs other than Miami and didn't. He has been a Broyle's Award semi-finalist I believe. He has all the credentials of someone you would hire from somewhere else. What would give me hope about Ponce is that he will not be beholden to anyone else in terms of what he runs and what he develops. We know Clark had a massive amount of input into the offensive game planning and calls on gameday. The fact the defense was giving up 14 to 17 points three drives into a game was not on Ponce.


That said, I'm not the AD, and it won't be Ponce or Lamb. The people who write the checks will have their say. I just hope that they make the right choice. If they don't, you can kiss all of what has been built goodbye.

And if he does that, he likely will get a look. No one is questioning his ability to resurrect programs, he's done it. But, what's next? Can he get his teams to the next level? I'm not doubting that he can but given the timing, its just not the right time for him. It would be a big gamble. If this were next year and if he, in fact, steered his team to 9 or 10 wins, he likely gets a look.

[DenverOfTheEast]

DG - is going for safe former FBS Head Coach at this point, he's had two straight first time Head Coaches in Drink and Clark -- He can't risk the 1-AA guys, but hey if he gets turned down a few times you never know.

Who is over more salary money CLT or APP?

Who has more NIL CLT or APP?

The fan base and tradition are in favor of APP?

Easier conference to win most likely CLT's.

Where would you rather live and raise a family CLT or Boone?

Both schools going after same pool of candidates.

I would be interested in actually knowing 1 and 2

Poggi and Clark made the same $$. Poggi donated half to the assistant pool.

Poggi and friends were ringleadong uncc nil. Who knows how much the northwood ravin guy can do on his own.

Uncc might have the easier conference overall but the top aac teams are historically better than the top sbc teams. Uncc is also at the bottom of the aac resource totem pole and App is close to the top of the sbc.

For a coach with ambition which program is more likely to get him noticed by p4/p2 teams?

The one that has sent 2 of the last 3 to p4 or the one that has stalled the careers of all former coaches?

Basically we are finally admitting and not just you Ballantyne, but in general, that App is a stepping stone job.

It will never be a long term place, that was Clark's downfall after year 1. got a little comfortable, lifer, turned his nose up to some folk, didn't want to hire an agent and then when things went south he had limited defenders besides me.

[BallantyneApp]

DG - is going for safe former FBS Head Coach at this point, he's had two straight first time Head Coaches in Drink and Clark -- He can't risk the 1-AA guys, but hey if he gets turned down a few times you never know.

Who is over more salary money CLT or APP?

Who has more NIL CLT or APP?

The fan base and tradition are in favor of APP?

Easier conference to win most likely CLT's.

Where would you rather live and raise a family CLT or Boone?

Both schools going after same pool of candidates.

I would be interested in actually knowing 1 and 2

Poggi and Clark made the same $$. Poggi donated half to the assistant pool.

Poggi and friends were ringleadong uncc nil. Who knows how much the northwood ravin guy can do on his own.

Uncc might have the easier conference overall but the top aac teams are historically better than the top sbc teams. Uncc is also at the bottom of the aac resource totem pole and App is close to the top of the sbc.

For a coach with ambition which program is more likely to get him noticed by p4/p2 teams?

The one that has sent 2 of the last 3 to p4 or the one that has stalled the careers of all former coaches?

Basically we are finally admitting and not just you Ballantyne, but in general, that App is a stepping stone job.

It will never be a long term place, that was Clark's downfall after year 1. got a little comfortable, lifer, turned his nose up to some folk, didn't want to hire an agent and then when things went south he had limited defenders besides me.

I’ve been there since Satterfield almost went to Cincinnati.

9 times out of 10, any coach that’s going to get us in the direction we want to go has bigger ambitions than App State.

I wish Clark was the 1 out of 10 but it didn’t work out.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

better to embrace our program being a stepping stone job (it is unless they magically allow promotion/relegation into super conferences) than worrying about a coach leaving before he's even hired. If people want him then we're doing well.

[311neers]

Did Ponce interview for the HC job at FIU? FIU writer mentioned it on X.
If so, maybe that’s telling that we’re getting an offensive minded coach that wants to do their own thing.

Or that Ponce is just vetting options.

[AppSt94]

Ponce wasn’t staying regardless.

[Appmountaineers19]

Did Ponce interview for the HC job at FIU? FIU writer mentioned it on X.
If so, maybe that’s telling that we’re getting an offensive minded coach that wants to do their own thing.

Or that Ponce is just vetting options.

Yes the Juco site I follow said the same thing.

[Saint3333]

Ponce wasn’t staying regardless.

Agreed, this was decided between the CCU and JMU game by multiple accounts.

[Mjohn1988]

DG - is going for safe former FBS Head Coach at this point, he's had two straight first time Head Coaches in Drink and Clark -- He can't risk the 1-AA guys, but hey if he gets turned down a few times you never know.

Who is over more salary money CLT or APP?

Who has more NIL CLT or APP?

The fan base and tradition are in favor of APP?

Easier conference to win most likely CLT's.

Where would you rather live and raise a family CLT or Boone?

Both schools going after same pool of candidates.

I would be interested in actually knowing 1 and 2

Poggi and Clark made the same $$. Poggi donated half to the assistant pool.

Poggi and friends were ringleadong uncc nil. Who knows how much the northwood ravin guy can do on his own.

Uncc might have the easier conference overall but the top aac teams are historically better than the top sbc teams. Uncc is also at the bottom of the aac resource totem pole and App is close to the top of the sbc.

For a coach with ambition which program is more likely to get him noticed by p4/p2 teams?

The one that has sent 2 of the last 3 to p4 or the one that has stalled the careers of all former coaches?

Basically we are finally admitting and not just you Ballantyne, but in general, that App is a stepping stone job.

It will never be a long term place, that was Clark's downfall after year 1. got a little comfortable, lifer, turned his nose up to some folk, didn't want to hire an agent and then when things went south he had limited defenders besides me.

I’ve been there since Satterfield almost went to Cincinnati.

9 times out of 10, any coach that’s going to get us in the direction we want to go has bigger ambitions than App State.

I wish Clark was the 1 out of 10 but it didn’t work out.

Don’t kid yourself, if Clark had been a big success he would have taken the payday just like Satt. And there’s nothing wrong with that at all.

[Saint3333]

DG - is going for safe former FBS Head Coach at this point, he's had two straight first time Head Coaches in Drink and Clark -- He can't risk the 1-AA guys, but hey if he gets turned down a few times you never know.

Who is over more salary money CLT or APP?

Who has more NIL CLT or APP?

The fan base and tradition are in favor of APP?

Easier conference to win most likely CLT's.

Where would you rather live and raise a family CLT or Boone?

Both schools going after same pool of candidates.

I would be interested in actually knowing 1 and 2

Poggi and Clark made the same $$. Poggi donated half to the assistant pool.

Poggi and friends were ringleadong uncc nil. Who knows how much the northwood ravin guy can do on his own.

Uncc might have the easier conference overall but the top aac teams are historically better than the top sbc teams. Uncc is also at the bottom of the aac resource totem pole and App is close to the top of the sbc.

For a coach with ambition which program is more likely to get him noticed by p4/p2 teams?

The one that has sent 2 of the last 3 to p4 or the one that has stalled the careers of all former coaches?

Basically we are finally admitting and not just you Ballantyne, but in general, that App is a stepping stone job.

It will never be a long term place, that was Clark's downfall after year 1. got a little comfortable, lifer, turned his nose up to some folk, didn't want to hire an agent and then when things went south he had limited defenders besides me.

I’ve been there since Satterfield almost went to Cincinnati.

9 times out of 10, any coach that’s going to get us in the direction we want to go has bigger ambitions than App State.

I wish Clark was the 1 out of 10 but it didn’t work out.

Don’t kid yourself, if Clark had been a big success he would have taken the payday just like Satt. And there’s nothing wrong with that at all.

I'm not sure. I would trust Shawn Clark's word more than most. That's one reason why so many were willing to take a chance on him as a first time coach and wanted to genuinely see him succeed. We may never have another coach that I can say that about.

[Mjohn1988]

I would be interested in actually knowing 1 and 2

Poggi and Clark made the same $$. Poggi donated half to the assistant pool.

Poggi and friends were ringleadong uncc nil. Who knows how much the northwood ravin guy can do on his own.

Uncc might have the easier conference overall but the top aac teams are historically better than the top sbc teams. Uncc is also at the bottom of the aac resource totem pole and App is close to the top of the sbc.

For a coach with ambition which program is more likely to get him noticed by p4/p2 teams?

The one that has sent 2 of the last 3 to p4 or the one that has stalled the careers of all former coaches?

Basically we are finally admitting and not just you Ballantyne, but in general, that App is a stepping stone job.

It will never be a long term place, that was Clark's downfall after year 1. got a little comfortable, lifer, turned his nose up to some folk, didn't want to hire an agent and then when things went south he had limited defenders besides me.

I’ve been there since Satterfield almost went to Cincinnati.

9 times out of 10, any coach that’s going to get us in the direction we want to go has bigger ambitions than App State.

I wish Clark was the 1 out of 10 but it didn’t work out.

Don’t kid yourself, if Clark had been a big success he would have taken the payday just like Satt. And there’s nothing wrong with that at all.

I'm not sure. I would trust Shawn Clark's word more than most. That's one reason why so many were willing to take a chance on him as a first time coach and wanted to genuinely see him succeed. We may never have another coach that I can say that about.

If I remember correctly Satt got 7mill a year for 5 years. I’m not sure I want a coach that will turn that down. If you really love App that much go take that money, set yourself up for life and come back to App. I don’t really think Shawn Clark would turn that kind of money down and I’m not trying to impugn his character by saying that.

[Saint3333]

Satterfield left for $3.25M a year (6 year deal due to UL's issues at the time).

[Mjohn1988]

Satterfield left for $3.25M a year (6 year deal due to UL's issues at the time).

I thought it was more. Still enough to make me move and still enough to set yourself up for life.

[gsoappfan]

Satterfield left for $3.25M a year (6 year deal due to UL's issues at the time).

I thought it was more. Still enough to make me move and still enough to set yourself up for life.

And a million a year for the next 10, 15 or however many years and NOT have to move can set yourself, your kids, grandkids.... up for life too.

[Mjohn1988]

Satterfield left for $3.25M a year (6 year deal due to UL's issues at the time).

I thought it was more. Still enough to make me move and still enough to set yourself up for life.

And a million a year for the next 10, 15 or however many years and NOT have to move can set yourself, your kids, grandkids.... up for life too.

You are correct sir but are you going to get a 10 or 15 year contract?

[subwayjimmy]

Not being a smartass, but he also has Drinkwitz helping him. Drinkwitz was a really good offensive coordinator. Maybe he is good but it could be he is good with Drink.

Most head coaches are typically previous D or I coordinators. So every asst is assisted by the HC.. depending on whichever side of the ball they grew up

Do not want a former coordinator or position coach. Jerry Moore had HC experience. Satterfield was Co-HC for a couple of years and had proven himself capable of the job.

Tre Lamb. I’ll say it here until someone bans me. App needs someone to elevate the program, which has grown stagnant. Do you really trust a coordinator to do that?

I do not. There may be a decent coordinator with good chops, but we are not in an experimental phase. Eli was an outlier because he came in for one year. We do not know where things would have gone had he stayed longer. That said, he was a play caller, and he designed the offense.

You get that same set of skills and hunger with Tre Lamb. He’s proven he can not only elevate a program over time but he can elevate his teams performance on game day. Look at his games against FBS programs his last two years at GWU. Look at the NDSU and App game from 2024.

Give me that guy. He managed to recruit two FCS All-Americans to GWU, and keep them. They didn’t transfer until after he left. The guy can recruit in the mold that App has gone after before and he can design and call an offense. His offense would also fit Matthew Wilson to a T.

At this point, I also wish Ponce had gotten a shot to act as Head Coach during the season to see what he could do. You run a risk if he is the guy and doesn’t pan out, but I think he could elevate the program as well. He’s been stuck under the influence and decision making of others.

To me, it’s either Ponce or Lamb.

I’m probably wrong. And I’ll be destroyed for it. But if you’re not talented, you better be good at spotting talent.

Coming from the guy that thought David Baldwin Griffin was the next Armanti Edwards, I’m not surprised you think Ponce or Lamb will be the second coming of Nick Saban.
If we are conducting a national search, we better end up with a better choice than a .500 FCS coach and a glorified QB coach.

That was half a decade ago. I never said that he would be Armanti. Being hyperbolic to prove your point is one fallacy, attacking that ONE THING as an example of why I'm wrong about something completely different are two others.

Apparently you didn't pay attention in class or you would learn how to argue a point better.

Tell me why a coordinator from an SEC school would be a better fit than Tre Lamb? Tell me why they would be better than just hiring Ponce, who has turned down job offers to stay in Boone? Ponce has been under Clark, doing what Clark wanted and likely calling the game in the style that Clark desired.

Blaming Ponce for the defense constantly giving up 14 to 17 points in the first quarter and then chasing points the rest of the game is bad form.

As for Lamb, you may not like his overall record in W-L, but when you look at the programs he took over and how they fared once he got there, you will see why I want him. To go from 1-11 to 7-5 in one season at ETSU is a massive improvement. It's not Curt Cignetti turning around his alma mater good, but it's darn good. Turning GWU into a team that would actually scare FBS teams every time they played is a ridiculous accomplishment as well.

Again, it may not be up to your standard of SEC Coordinator, or coach at an established program who took over a well oiled machine, but I've got news for you, App isn't a well oiled machine right now. It will need to be fixed or App will become the next Troy or ECU. If App hired Drinkwitz after two .500 seasons or lower in the past three years, how do you think Drinkwitz would fare? It wouldn't be 13-1, I can guarantee you that.

Make the right hire, and you're back to respectability. I think Tre Lamb is the guy to do that.

Get upset at me and point out one mistake I made all that you want to try to distract from the point I'm making, but it dissuade me. The good thing for you is that i'm not an AD.

Do you mean Taylor Lamb? He's the app guy.

[gsoappfan]

Satterfield left for $3.25M a year (6 year deal due to UL's issues at the time).

I thought it was more. Still enough to make me move and still enough to set yourself up for life.

And a million a year for the next 10, 15 or however many years and NOT have to move can set yourself, your kids, grandkids.... up for life too.

You are correct sir but are you going to get a 10 or 15 year contract?

My point was, if Shawn would have been successful at App, he wouldn't have been fired. He might have been perfectly happy staying at App for the next 10 or 15 years and he would still have been finacially set. Not everyone makes decisions on money alone.