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[AppState222]

Fun fact: Bowl game payouts are distributed to the conference who then distribute it evenly between all the schools in the conference. Instead of losing money going to bowls (travel, housing, food, etc) App actually probably comes out on the plus side by not making a bowl.

(NOT THAT THIS IS A GOOD THING) I'm not encouraging us to lose games to miss bowls to make money. Just disputing the claim that if we made bowls, we would have more money to pay a buyout.

[AppStMike201]

Fun fact: Bowl game payouts are distributed to the conference who then distribute it evenly between all the schools in the conference. Instead of losing money going to bowls (travel, housing, food, etc) App actually probably comes out on the plus side by not making a bowl.

(NOT THAT THIS IS A GOOD THING) I'm not encouraging us to lose games to miss bowls to make money. Just disputing the claim that if we made bowls, we would have more money to pay a buyout.

This is correct. Also, not sure if this has been posted before, but the link below provides an in-depth look at his contract. He's missing quite a few bonus targets this year that the program had to budget for in a best case scenario. The money saved by not having to pay those bonuses should factor into the decision.

https://collegefootballnetwork.com/shaw ... net-worth/

[AppSt94]

There are a number of financial factors that have to be considered. The buyout of his remaining contract. Say you want a Tre Lamb, you have to pay for his buyout, and probably an increased compensation package. I’m not saying that it isn’t possible, just adding the layers.

[AppStMike201]

There are a number of financial factors that have to be considered. The buyout of his remaining contract. Say you want a Tre Lamb, you have to pay for his buyout, and probably an increased compensation package. I’m not saying that it isn’t possible, just adding the layers.

Completely agree. There are so many layers that DG and the Administration have to look at. I don't envy their position when it comes to these type of decisions.

[ASUFan4863]

It’s not a financial hurdle to make the change. The money is there and available. As it was last season. It is a willingness to spend the money that is the hurdle. DG has always been tight with money. We will find out soon what he values more - a championship program or money.

[RaleighApp27609]

Fun fact: Bowl game payouts are distributed to the conference who then distribute it evenly between all the schools in the conference. Instead of losing money going to bowls (travel, housing, food, etc) App actually probably comes out on the plus side by not making a bowl.

(NOT THAT THIS IS A GOOD THING) I'm not encouraging us to lose games to miss bowls to make money. Just disputing the claim that if we made bowls, we would have more money to pay a buyout.

This is correct. Also, not sure if this has been posted before, but the link below provides an in-depth look at his contract. He's missing quite a few bonus targets this year that the program had to budget for in a best case scenario. The money saved by not having to pay those bonuses should factor into the decision.

https://collegefootballnetwork.com/shaw ... net-worth/

App looks to have saved $200k in missed incentives payouts. 40% of the buyout to Clark right there.

[ASUFan4863]

94 would have no issue finding that cash I betcha.

[AppSt94]

It’s not a financial hurdle to make the change. The money is there and available. As it was last season. It is a willingness to spend the money that is the hurdle. DG has always been tight with money. We will find out soon what he values more - a championship program or money.

The money was there last year but it came from a donor and not out of a budget. The fact that said donor hasn’t stepped up this year for half the cost should tell you their feelings on the situation.

[AppSt94]

94 would have no issue finding that cash I betcha.

If I had the money to play with the big boys, I would never use it to buy out a contract.

[ASUFan4863]

94 would have no issue finding that cash I betcha.

If I had the money to play with the big boys, I would never use it to buy out a contract.

Oh I bet you wouldn’t

[AppSt94]

94 would have no issue finding that cash I betcha.

If I had the money to play with the big boys, I would never use it to buy out a contract.

Oh I bet you wouldn’t

That goes for any coach. I’d use my money to build, not break.

[BallantyneApp]

94 would have no issue finding that cash I betcha.

If I had the money to play with the big boys, I would never use it to buy out a contract.

Oh I bet you wouldn’t

That goes for any coach. I’d use my money to build, not break.

sometimes you have to break things down to build them back up.

[RaleighApp27609]

Don't throw good money after bad. Sometimes you need to cut your losses with a bad investment.

[AppSt94]

If I had the money to play with the big boys, I would never use it to buy out a contract.

Oh I bet you wouldn’t

That goes for any coach. I’d use my money to build, not break.

Don't throw good money after bad. Sometimes you need to cut your losses with a bad investment.
sometimes you have to break things down to build them back up.

I don’t disagree with the premise. But speaking in general terms and not specific to this situation, I’m not cleaning up someone else’s mess.

[RaleighApp27609]

Oh I bet you wouldn’t

That goes for any coach. I’d use my money to build, not break.

Don't throw good money after bad. Sometimes you need to cut your losses with a bad investment.
sometimes you have to break things down to build them back up.

I don’t disagree with the premise. But speaking in general terms and not specific to this situation, I’m not cleaning up someone else’s mess.

I wasn't referring to you paying the buyout. I was addressing the school's ability to pay it off especially since the administration is responsible for the contract extension given to Clark a while back.

[Saint3333]

I've cleaned up many messes I didn't create. It's value creative and typically well received.

[AppSt94]

That goes for any coach. I’d use my money to build, not break.

Don't throw good money after bad. Sometimes you need to cut your losses with a bad investment.
sometimes you have to break things down to build them back up.

I don’t disagree with the premise. But speaking in general terms and not specific to this situation, I’m not cleaning up someone else’s mess.

I wasn't referring to you paying the buyout. I was addressing the school's ability to pay it off especially since the administration is responsible for the contract extension given to Clark a while back.

My apologies. The comment was attached to one that referenced me paying it out.

As it relates to Clark, that all depends on what is deemed a mistake. We can sit here on a message board and have circular conversations based on opinions, but the only one that matters is the guy that is making the decision. If he thinks that the price tag doesn’t justify the action, then that’s all that matters. As I said, the check was written last year for double the amount but things happened and it wasn’t delivered. So while it seems reasonable to assume half the amount seems easier to part with, why hasn’t it been done?

The only time Doug directly asked for my opinion was back a couple of summers ago when he wanted my thoughts on the possibility of dropping the Flying Yosef gear. Other than that, he hasn’t reached out.

[RaleighApp27609]

Don't throw good money after bad. Sometimes you need to cut your losses with a bad investment.
sometimes you have to break things down to build them back up.

I don’t disagree with the premise. But speaking in general terms and not specific to this situation, I’m not cleaning up someone else’s mess.

I wasn't referring to you paying the buyout. I was addressing the school's ability to pay it off especially since the administration is responsible for the contract extension given to Clark a while back.

My apologies. The comment was attached to one that referenced me paying it out.

As it relates to Clark, that all depends on what is deemed a mistake. We can sit here on a message board and have circular conversations based on opinions, but the only one that matters is the guy that is making the decision. If he thinks that the price tag doesn’t justify the action, then that’s all that matters. As I said, the check was written last year for double the amount but things happened and it wasn’t delivered. So while it seems reasonable to assume half the amount seems easier to part with, why hasn’t it been done?

The only time Doug directly asked for my opinion was back a couple of summers ago when he wanted my thoughts on the possibility of dropping the Flying Yosef gear. Other than that, he hasn’t reached out.

No worries. Off topic but what did Doug Gillen say about the flying Yosef gear? I personally really like that logo and had emailed the purchasing/licensing department about that last year.

[AppSt94]

I don’t disagree with the premise. But speaking in general terms and not specific to this situation, I’m not cleaning up someone else’s mess.

I wasn't referring to you paying the buyout. I was addressing the school's ability to pay it off especially since the administration is responsible for the contract extension given to Clark a while back.

My apologies. The comment was attached to one that referenced me paying it out.

As it relates to Clark, that all depends on what is deemed a mistake. We can sit here on a message board and have circular conversations based on opinions, but the only one that matters is the guy that is making the decision. If he thinks that the price tag doesn’t justify the action, then that’s all that matters. As I said, the check was written last year for double the amount but things happened and it wasn’t delivered. So while it seems reasonable to assume half the amount seems easier to part with, why hasn’t it been done?

The only time Doug directly asked for my opinion was back a couple of summers ago when he wanted my thoughts on the possibility of dropping the Flying Yosef gear. Other than that, he hasn’t reached out.

No worries. Off topic but what did Doug Gillen say about the flying Yosef gear? I personally really like that logo and had emailed the purchasing/licensing department about that last year.

We were in Alumni Hall and we were talking about the kid pushing the Flying Yosef on social media. He asked my thoughts on getting some product out there. He didn’t offer his opinion one way or another and was probably taking advantage of the situation to gather a straw poll opinion.

FYI for anyone that sees this and let those that have me blocked know. If you see something that is licensed by colleges but doesn’t offer it for App, email the details to Sarah Strickland in the AD department. She is in charge of licensing and branding and is always looking for ideas.

[rbarthle17]

Well, if we don’t have the financial ability to fire a coach, then I seriously doubt we have the financial ability to compete in today’s game.

Welcome to our future. We have been doing it (relatively) underfunded for decades now. But NIL and the portal have changed the game completely and we do not currently have the ability to keep up. This is a reality a lot here do not want to admit to. It doesn't make it any less real. There are big boy programs that are dealing with the same issues, it's not just us mid-majors.

The best thing that can happen to us long-term is for a new modern version of 1-AA to come about and we can win there. And that is a matter of when, not if, it happens. The move to FBS was never about being at the top of the ladder, it was about making sure we end up at the second rung instead of the third.