Yes, I know. So you're saying there's no factual basis underlying the statement. Just a belief that you formed.
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I would “think” the basis for this is that DG is Shawn’s boss and they have regular meetings and the discussion is much different when performance is negative. I would also “think” the same thing happens with Shawn and his staff. It’s kinda how it works.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:42 pmYes, I know. So you're saying there's no factual basis underlying the statement. Just a belief that you formed.
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And Me and my bossgoapps93 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:48 pmI would “think” the basis for this is that DG is Shawn’s boss and they have regular meetings and the discussion is much different when performance is negative. I would also “think” the same thing happens with Shawn and his staff. It’s kinda how it works.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:42 pmYes, I know. So you're saying there's no factual basis underlying the statement. Just a belief that you formed.
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I told someone else, neither are on my Christmas card list.ASUPATCH wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:27 pmYosef84 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 5:07 pmYou do know that both Clark and Elliott spell their name "Shawn" right?Black Saturday wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 5:04 pmlet's see if we can win the Shawn/Sean Bowl before we get ideas about JMU, they are head and shoulders above the East this year.
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I like you PhillyApp1 --- But no one is handcuffed or was.PhillyApp1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:30 pmActually, Joey is doing it with an offense that has been handcuffed in many games and a defense that has sputtered.Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:14 pmJust looked and statistically JA and McLeod have virtually the same numbers. I don't like when the media plays up position versus position comparisons for games but next week should be a good one.
When we let Joey play.... App and JA is almost unstoppable
The offense has been steady all year - New OC with new kids and back up QB --- JA is a bit of a wild horse at times he needed some training and wasn't ready to be let loose yet. Noel didn't play for 2 games, new QB and Freshman Roberts started in 2 losses PLUS miller Gibbs missed games.
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Yeah we have had turnovers at some bad times but offense has never been bad. Just inconsistent at times but never bad for an entire game. Roberts is really good and even when Noel is healthy I think Roberts needs to get serious carries. Castle is very good for short yardage situations. We got a good RB room.DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:28 pmI like you PhillyApp1 --- But no one is handcuffed or was.PhillyApp1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:30 pmActually, Joey is doing it with an offense that has been handcuffed in many games and a defense that has sputtered.Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:14 pmJust looked and statistically JA and McLeod have virtually the same numbers. I don't like when the media plays up position versus position comparisons for games but next week should be a good one.
When we let Joey play.... App and JA is almost unstoppable
The offense has been steady all year - New OC with new kids and back up QB --- JA is a bit of a wild horse at times he needed some training and wasn't ready to be let loose yet. Noel didn't play for 2 games, new QB and Freshman Roberts started in 2 losses PLUS miller Gibbs missed games.
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There have been adjustments as season progressed. Over the past 3 or 4 games, the 50/50 ball down sidelines that was not working, has gone away. We are working the middle of the field, not only on short throws but further down the field. I like it as it is pretty apparent our OL is not consistently opening running lanes when playing against decent defenses.
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I would "think" that is how a supervisory role works, but i also "think" the statement implies something beyond the norm. I also don't "think" that, in the absence of specific knowledge, the statement really has any value.goapps93 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:48 pmI would “think” the basis for this is that DG is Shawn’s boss and they have regular meetings and the discussion is much different when performance is negative. I would also “think” the same thing happens with Shawn and his staff. It’s kinda how it works.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:42 pmYes, I know. So you're saying there's no factual basis underlying the statement. Just a belief that you formed.
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And you are free to “think” the statement has no value…..or does it?Yosef84 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:46 pmI would "think" that is how a supervisory role works, but i also "think" the statement implies something beyond the norm. I also don't "think" that, in the absence of specific knowledge, the statement really has any value.goapps93 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:48 pmI would “think” the basis for this is that DG is Shawn’s boss and they have regular meetings and the discussion is much different when performance is negative. I would also “think” the same thing happens with Shawn and his staff. It’s kinda how it works.
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DG doesn't have in season "prayer meetings" about a coaching strategy or a teams play.Rekdiver wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:37 pmAnd you are free to “think” the statement has no value…..or does it?Yosef84 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:46 pmI would "think" that is how a supervisory role works, but i also "think" the statement implies something beyond the norm. I also don't "think" that, in the absence of specific knowledge, the statement really has any value.
Of course #TeamClark and his staff have weekly And daily meetings. This staff is much tighter under Sloan as DC than when Sofield son in law aka Dale Jones was in charge.
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How about handcuffed by the playback and developmentDenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:28 pmI like you PhillyApp1 --- But no one is handcuffed or was.PhillyApp1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:30 pmActually, Joey is doing it with an offense that has been handcuffed in many games and a defense that has sputtered.Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:14 pmJust looked and statistically JA and McLeod have virtually the same numbers. I don't like when the media plays up position versus position comparisons for games but next week should be a good one.
When we let Joey play.... App and JA is almost unstoppable
The offense has been steady all year - New OC with new kids and back up QB --- JA is a bit of a wild horse at times he needed some training and wasn't ready to be let loose yet. Noel didn't play for 2 games, new QB and Freshman Roberts started in 2 losses PLUS miller Gibbs missed games.
JMU has been full throttle from the 3-4 games I have looked into.
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Boise State fired their coach after they blew out New Mexico State. However, they didn't win a single out-of-conference game against a D1 opponent; however, they are currently still in the hunt for a MWC championship.
Now, it really looks like App has turned a corner. A win, or even just a competitive showing, against JMU will prove that. So, I think Clark deserves to have his seat cooled a good bit. However, the fact that there was plenty of talk of him being fired when App had a losing record isn't crazy. Boise State has a winning tradition just like App, and they don't allow expectations to be lowered.
By achieving bowl eligibility, I think Clark has earned himself another year. However, his margin of error is even slimmer than it was at the beginning of this year.
Now, it really looks like App has turned a corner. A win, or even just a competitive showing, against JMU will prove that. So, I think Clark deserves to have his seat cooled a good bit. However, the fact that there was plenty of talk of him being fired when App had a losing record isn't crazy. Boise State has a winning tradition just like App, and they don't allow expectations to be lowered.
By achieving bowl eligibility, I think Clark has earned himself another year. However, his margin of error is even slimmer than it was at the beginning of this year.
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I am hopeful that this team finishes strong. The bowl game means nothing imho if we don't get a winning record (FBS only) We are 5-4 in my mind. We have three games left. GoingMrCraig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:04 amBoise State fired their coach after they blew out New Mexico State. However, they didn't win a single out-of-conference game against a D1 opponent; however, they are currently still in the hunt for a MWC championship.
Now, it really looks like App has turned a corner. A win, or even just a competitive showing, against JMU will prove that. So, I think Clark deserves to have his seat cooled a good bit. However, the fact that there was plenty of talk of him being fired when App had a losing record isn't crazy. Boise State has a winning tradition just like App, and they don't allow expectations to be lowered.
By achieving bowl eligibility, I think Clark has earned himself another year. However, his margin of error is even slimmer than it was at the beginning of this year.
3-0 or maybe 2-1 would be worthy of another year. Again my opinion.
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There will be revisionist history by some, but step back and look at how the season progressed and what expectations on this board were.
Pre-season, 8-4 was a mark 99% agreed would be viewed as a success. Post ULM, 7-5 was acceptable to most as well, some with the caveat of a bowl win to get to 8-5.
Going into the CCU and ODU game those looked like "must wins" based upon the last four games with Marshall and GA St. looking very strong. Post ODU that was a definite concern.
Fast forward Marshall and GA St. peaked early and hindsight are much worse than CCU (ODU still stings, as does the first quarter of CCU).
Pre CCU, 6-4 is where many thought we would be at this point, just opposite wins and loses those four games.
Despite what a couple of posters would like to believe the vast majority here have never stopped pulling for Clark, the staff, and the players and have always wished them success.
The brightest spot on the season and from this staff to me was the willingness to adjust to the personnel available. Last year the most frustrating part of the season was the stubbornness of pretending we had the App State lines of 2017-2020. Kudos to Clark, Sloan, Ponce, etc. was the mid-season adjustments.
Finish strong.
Pre-season, 8-4 was a mark 99% agreed would be viewed as a success. Post ULM, 7-5 was acceptable to most as well, some with the caveat of a bowl win to get to 8-5.
Going into the CCU and ODU game those looked like "must wins" based upon the last four games with Marshall and GA St. looking very strong. Post ODU that was a definite concern.
Fast forward Marshall and GA St. peaked early and hindsight are much worse than CCU (ODU still stings, as does the first quarter of CCU).
Pre CCU, 6-4 is where many thought we would be at this point, just opposite wins and loses those four games.
Despite what a couple of posters would like to believe the vast majority here have never stopped pulling for Clark, the staff, and the players and have always wished them success.
The brightest spot on the season and from this staff to me was the willingness to adjust to the personnel available. Last year the most frustrating part of the season was the stubbornness of pretending we had the App State lines of 2017-2020. Kudos to Clark, Sloan, Ponce, etc. was the mid-season adjustments.
Finish strong.
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100%. We absolutely have to finish strong though because I believe if we lose these last 2 games that Everts will still push for a change. If we beat JMU and GSU then she can't do anything without a lot of heat. You have to credit Sloan for the changes.Saint3333 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:30 amThere will be revisionist history by some, but step back and look at how the season progressed and what expectations on this board were.
Pre-season, 8-4 was a mark 99% agreed would be viewed as a success. Post ULM, 7-5 was acceptable to most as well, some with the caveat of a bowl win to get to 8-5.
Going into the CCU and ODU game those looked like "must wins" based upon the last four games with Marshall and GA St. looking very strong. Post ODU that was a definite concern.
Fast forward Marshall and GA St. peaked early and hindsight are much worse than CCU (ODU still stings, as does the first quarter of CCU).
Pre CCU, 6-4 is where many thought we would be at this point, just opposite wins and loses those four games.
Despite what a couple of posters would like to believe the vast majority here have never stopped pulling for Clark, the staff, and the players and have always wished them success.
The brightest spot on the season and from this staff to me was the willingness to adjust to the personnel available. Last year the most frustrating part of the season was the stubbornness of pretending we had the App State lines of 2017-2020. Kudos to Clark, Sloan, Ponce, etc. was the mid-season adjustments.
Finish strong.
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Standards / Expectations for App football have never been in danger of revision. That's a false argument. The difference of opinion came in regarding how long it might take and what changes were justified or necessary right now.
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You know for sure that DG and Clark havent met to discuss the season so far?DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:47 pmDG doesn't have in season "prayer meetings" about a coaching strategy or a teams play.Rekdiver wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:37 pmAnd you are free to “think” the statement has no value…..or does it?Yosef84 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:46 pmI would "think" that is how a supervisory role works, but i also "think" the statement implies something beyond the norm. I also don't "think" that, in the absence of specific knowledge, the statement really has any value.
Of course #TeamClark and his staff have weekly And daily meetings. This staff is much tighter under Sloan as DC than when Sofield son in law aka Dale Jones was in charge.