Wyoming Discussion

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

Have we ever lost a game that wasn't the coach's fault? It's like some of you think he's the only one involved in the game. He may not be the greatest, but damn, he doesn't cause us to lose every game we play

At the college level it's on a head coach to make changes when things aren't working for either side of the ball. NFL you can specialize in offense or defense and pass the blame to the other coaches, but if something isn't working like predictable runs on 3rd and 4th downs into a loaded box, then you say "Stop calling those plays". His clock management skills also leave a lot to be desired.

[appstatealum]

Have we ever lost a game that wasn't the coach's fault? It's like some of you think he's the only one involved in the game. He may not be the greatest, but damn, he doesn't cause us to lose every game we play

Not trying to be a dick, but you do know why coaches get paid so much? A good coach, especially in college, knows that he's coaching young men who are prone to making mistakes. It's that coaches job to plan for those mistakes- coach to his personnel. If I have a kicker that's shaky from 35 yards or more, I try not to rely on a multi-FG type game. If I have a weak offensive line or poor run game, I manufacture "runs" through tunnel screens, HB screens etc. If I have a QB who gets flustered, I create simple pass plays to get him "in rhythm". In the case of App State, if i have a gunslinger like Joey combined with a RB like Noel, I run alot of PA of multiple runs etc. I take risks on the field where the reward is high and failure can be contained. I play calls the opposite way where failure can be devastating and reward is low. These are things that are and have been lacking, but should be very noticeable.by any qualified FBS coach. It's not easy and not everyone is cut out for it.

[WASU 93]

Have we ever lost a game that wasn't the coach's fault? It's like some of you think he's the only one involved in the game. He may not be the greatest, but damn, he doesn't cause us to lose every game we play

At the college level it's on a head coach to make changes when things aren't working for either side of the ball. NFL you can specialize in offense or defense and pass the blame to the other coaches, but if something isn't working like predictable runs on 3rd and 4th downs into a loaded box, then you say "Stop calling those plays". His clock management skills also leave a lot to be desired.

Clark worked the clock perfectly at the end of the 1st Half and we were able to tack on 3 more points.

[hapapp]

Same coach beat Texas A and M
Same coach has UNC down to the wire 2 straight seasons and a dropped 2 point pass wide ass open ballsy play call produces a win.
Same coach in 2021 on side kick vs CCU and energizes the crowd to win the game.
Same coach rolled over EZU last week

Clark will have another job making more money with less stress 30 minutes after you clowns decide to cut him loose.

I don't know what meds they have you on....but let me know so I can get some.

Common Sense meds... 3 point underdog 2500 miles away for a road game that took 12 hours to get from Boone to Wyoming door to door and the ball team played their tails off. Spoiled App fans are worse than trailer park Tar Hole fans and wannabe Dookie fans.

All of that is irrelevant once you get into the game. Had multiple chances to step on their throat and put the game away, but coached conservative and scared. 417 yards to 208. 27 first downs to 7. 40 minutes TOP to 19. Do you actually realize what you’re defending here? This is an inexcusable loss.

We lost this game because poor execution on four plays and only one would I pin on coaching decisions. On the INT we were playing to win and perhaps we kick there instead. But no guarantees that we make it or prevail in OT.

Frankly, we weren’t very successful on few if any deep balls based on how they defend. I think it fair to complain about the play calls in the RZ. But I didn’t have a problem with the taking the points given the lack of success in the RZ.

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

Have we ever lost a game that wasn't the coach's fault? It's like some of you think he's the only one involved in the game. He may not be the greatest, but damn, he doesn't cause us to lose every game we play

At the college level it's on a head coach to make changes when things aren't working for either side of the ball. NFL you can specialize in offense or defense and pass the blame to the other coaches, but if something isn't working like predictable runs on 3rd and 4th downs into a loaded box, then you say "Stop calling those plays". His clock management skills also leave a lot to be desired.

Clark worked the clock perfectly at the end of the 1st Half and we were able to tack on 3 more points.

I'm referring to his work as a whole. Sure he's done some good things, but in my opinion the good things don't happen with enough consistency, and the bad things have not improved well enough in the now 4th season as head coach.

[asu1988]

Play to win, we played not to lose in the 4th quarter. I know of some other times we did that.

[checkyosefb4uwreckyosef]

Same coach beat Texas A and M
Same coach has UNC down to the wire 2 straight seasons and a dropped 2 point pass wide ass open ballsy play call produces a win.
Same coach in 2021 on side kick vs CCU and energizes the crowd to win the game.
Same coach rolled over EZU last week

Clark will have another job making more money with less stress 30 minutes after you clowns decide to cut him loose.

I don't know what meds they have you on....but let me know so I can get some.

Common Sense meds... 3 point underdog 2500 miles away for a road game that took 12 hours to get from Boone to Wyoming door to door and the ball team played their tails off. Spoiled App fans are worse than trailer park Tar Hole fans and wannabe Dookie fans.

Same coach had us 6-6 and miss a bowl game last year. He played not to lose all night And here we are. Again.

[appdaze]

Points allowed at this time.

Appalachian State 28.5

Marshall 15.6
GA State 22.5
JMU 22.5
ODU 25.75
Stink 18.25
CCU 20

ULM 24.66
Southern Miss 36.25

We make some solid stops and show signs of becoming a quality defense. We still make far too many mistakes to crown our defense as the saving grace.

Our defense is going to have to step up even more. We have yet to hold a team under 20 points. That includes playing a now 1-3 GWU and a 1-3 ECU who has only beat the very same GWU, except....they didn't allow a single point.

The offense is just a work in progress. Our WRs just have to keep getting practice and game reps with Joey until they get in stride. Our O-line is doing a good enough job that Noel is having 100+ yard games every week.

Progress from last year exists. I still think there are some iffy play calls, but I think we are going to have to live with all that. Coach is who he is. We just have to keep developing our players and keep the recruiting train going.

[ASUFan4863]

To blame this loss on Clark is stupid. Clark isn’t calling red zone plays. He isn’t blocking on the FG unit. He isn’t filling run gaps. He isn’t throwing balls up for grabs on the wrong read.

Did he tell Ponce to be conservative? Idk. I’m sure he played in role in that. But that decision alone is not the reason for the loss.

It’s time for QB1 to get us back on track.

QB1? The guy who looked lost against Garner Webb?

The guy who got hurt on the third play of the game? Yeah. QB1

[ASUFan4863]

Points allowed at this time.

Appalachian State 28.5

Marshall 15.6
GA State 22.5
JMU 22.5
ODU 25.75
Stink 18.25
CCU 20

ULM 24.66
Southern Miss 36.25

We make some solid stops and show signs of becoming a quality defense. We still make far too many mistakes to crown our defense as the saving grace.

Our defense is going to have to step up even more. We have yet to hold a team under 20 points. That includes playing a now 1-3 GWU and a 1-3 ECU who has only beat the very same GWU, except....they didn't allow a single point.

The offense is just a work in progress. Our WRs just have to keep getting practice and game reps with Joey until they get in stride. Our O-line is doing a good enough job that Noel is having 100+ yard games every week.

Progress from last year exists. I still think there are some iffy play calls, but I think we are going to have to live with all that. Coach is who he is. We just have to keep developing our players and keep the recruiting train going.

Wow talk about a loaded stat that doesn’t tell the whole story. Our defense held Wyoming and ECU to 14 points. UNC scored 27 in regulation. Our defense is averaging 20.75 ppg.

[appdaze]

Points allowed at this time.

Appalachian State 28.5

Marshall 15.6
GA State 22.5
JMU 22.5
ODU 25.75
Stink 18.25
CCU 20

ULM 24.66
Southern Miss 36.25

We make some solid stops and show signs of becoming a quality defense. We still make far too many mistakes to crown our defense as the saving grace.

Our defense is going to have to step up even more. We have yet to hold a team under 20 points. That includes playing a now 1-3 GWU and a 1-3 ECU who has only beat the very same GWU, except....they didn't allow a single point.

The offense is just a work in progress. Our WRs just have to keep getting practice and game reps with Joey until they get in stride. Our O-line is doing a good enough job that Noel is having 100+ yard games every week.

Progress from last year exists. I still think there are some iffy play calls, but I think we are going to have to live with all that. Coach is who he is. We just have to keep developing our players and keep the recruiting train going.

Wow talk about a loaded stat that doesn’t tell the whole story. Our defense held Wyoming and ECU to 14 points. UNC scored 27 in regulation. Our defense is averaging 20.75 ppg.

I specifically stated at the top "Points allowed"
I didn't say the defense gave up everything. I just stated we make some mistakes and shouldn't quite be ready to crown them as our saving grace. It is all a team effort as it is with all the other schools.

[BambooRdApp]

This is not on Clark..no matter how many want to pin it there. The game plan was a great game plan. WYO offense was not very good except for 2 plays and one was a QB scramble for TD because the play they ran did not work. One 80 yard run given up by D.
Clark went for the FG. It got blocked..It happens. The same people complaining about the FG would have complained if he went for on 4th down.
I give Clark credit..He went for the win. There were 17 seconds left. If they had not and went for FG, people on this board would have complained that he had enough time for another play. Just a bad decision by the QB.

[AppStateNews]

There were 17 seconds left. If they had not and went for FG, people on this board would have complained that he had enough time for another play.

And it would be the same group of people...

[ASUFan4863]

These games just happen. You win games you should lose. You lose games you should win. I wonder if these people calling for jobs would have been more happy with a blowout loss?

[AppState03]

Same coach beat Texas A and M
Same coach has UNC down to the wire 2 straight seasons and a dropped 2 point pass wide ass open ballsy play call produces a win.
Same coach in 2021 on side kick vs CCU and energizes the crowd to win the game.
Same coach rolled over EZU last week

Clark will have another job making more money with less stress 30 minutes after you clowns decide to cut him loose.

I don't know what meds they have you on....but let me know so I can get some.

Common Sense meds... 3 point underdog 2500 miles away for a road game that took 12 hours to get from Boone to Wyoming door to door and the ball team played their tails off. Spoiled App fans are worse than trailer park Tar Hole fans and wannabe Dookie fans.

All of that is irrelevant once you get into the game. Had multiple chances to step on their throat and put the game away, but coached conservative and scared. 417 yards to 208. 27 first downs to 7. 40 minutes TOP to 19. Do you actually realize what you’re defending here? This is an inexcusable loss.

I agree 100%. We dominated WYO in the stats but can’t put TDs on the scoreboard. Without finishing drives, the stats don’t mean squat.

I’ve been in HC Clark’s corner but continued lack of strategy, terrible play calling, etc. have me questioning how much longer the ship needs to head in the current direction. Play calling is not typically the job of the HC but he is ultimately responsible for it and if it isn’t working, then he needs to step in or bring in someone new who can do that job. The play calling for the past 2 years has been atrocious.

You can’t pin this on Aguilar. The game should never have got out of control like this. We had way too many FGs instead of TDs. I think Mike Gundy stated it pretty well when people were trying to pin a loss on his QB (a kid). See the attached YouTube link of the famous, “I’m a man, I’m 40” speech by Oklahoma State Head Coach, Mike Gundy.

[TomA415]

I have supported the coaching staff.

Worst game plan I have ever seen. Not saying fire them tonight, but if we don’t make a bowl game they have to go.

totally agree, defensive gameplan was terrible

What game did you watch? Outside of the long run our defense was incredible tonight after being the worry since last season.

Tonight was on special teams and offense. Defense was pretty much one play away from a perfect game

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

People used to defend Jim Fox the way some of you defend Shawn Clark. Call those of us that wanted to see change haters, make up continuous excuses, say it takes time, all the while ignoring the obvious right in front of their noses.

[njcarr]

A few words before I call it a night (or early morning)!!
- 2 weeks ago, after an OT type loss, there was much "positive comments" about a very promising season.
- today after a very close game, many have gloom and doom, going nowhere, get rid of coaches, other whining comments.
- what I saw was what I read in a several previous posts a good game against a very strong opponent whom we outplayed most of the time. Execution on a few plays really hurt us, otherwise we would have had a victory.
- I witnessed a similar type of game earlier today in the Florida State - Clemson game. Many feel Coach Sweeney should leave the program.
- my last thoughts on this: I enjoyed the game, I didn't like the final score, the results won't destroy my life, I see many improvements with the team compared to last years, I think we are a contender for the Sun Belt Conference, I will continue to attend games as long as I am able.

GO ASU!!!!
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[yosef69]

Can’t kick 4 FG in the first half and win.

Can’t lose a game you dominate. Can’t sugarcoat this one, horrible loss.

[N_Bryant86]

The only thing I would change based on being on the sidelines tonight is Joey to throw the perfectly setup screen to Noel at the end instead of chucking it up....

The only thing you would change? Lol

Without further review, yes. You can't go back in hindsight and change the game. If you could, it would be easy to win every game.

As of right now, that's the only thing I would change because if he does that, this conversation is already over.

You may have been on the sideline, but you were not in any shape or form watching the same game the rest of us were.