Armanti Article

[appfanjj]

The Panthers treated AE as a novelity, never taking his abilities seriously. No App State player has much of a chance in Charlotte. All get cut and move elsewhere.

I agree on AE but the other players we have had in Carolina were more just a bad fit. Jackson had track mentality and was just not tough enough to play WR in the NFL. People underestimate how tough it is to make it in the NFL. A lot of draft picks just don't pan out for every college team. MLB is even harder. We have had 49 players drafted in MLB and only 4 ever made it to the majors.

I think he could have lasted as a return man only but that could have only happened early on if he went late in the draft. I said when Gruden took him in round 2 that the clock was already ticking on Jackson because he was taken way too high and they were going to expect him to be a starting WR despite the fact he was nowhere near ready for it.

That is a big reason why I say Coakley is the GOAT because he lasted a decade and actually proved to be drafted too low. I don't think NFL is the only category to say a player is the GOAT but has to be a factor. People overlook this but for App the best players in NFL history are Mark Royals, Larry Hand, Coakley, Sam Martin, Daniel Kilgore, and John Settle.

You left out Dino Hackett who had a great career going with Kansas City until he developed Meniere's Syndrome (a severe inner ear condition).

Daniel Wilcox

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Just my opinion, whether a player was good, great or terrible in the pros has absolutely no impact as to whether they were the GOAT in college. The GOAT, Armanti Edwards, was instrumental in helping App win two national titles... without him, probably not..that equates to GOAT in my book

If you want to have a category of App GOAT. "college and pros" fine. Whether a player is a good or great pro has zero impact on my evaluation of college only category GOAT.

You said GOAT and not most impactful player. GOAT to me is who was the most dominant player on the field.

I have to ask this because I have noticed that the answer depends on who someone says. Did you actually watch Coakley live in person? Were you in the stands at games or watched on TV when we were on? Everyone I know who was around in the 90s or before says Coakley but those who came around after 2005 all say Armanti. They also admit they only have seen stats and never watched Dex closely in college or pros.

Armanti is indeed the most impactful player we have had ever had. He was the QB when we won titles and beat Michigan. I don't think anyone can argue that. You have to consider NFL somewhat and I think those who discount it completely do so because their argument is hurt by it. Coakley not only made it but was among the top 5-10 LBs in the world for a decade. I think you also have to remember that while AE was the first two-time winner of the Payton, Coakley was the first two-time winner of a major award like that in I-AA/FCS history. He is still the only two-time Buck Buchanan winner. Both players are great and to me I try to separate and say Edwards is the GOAT on offense while Coakley is on defense.

Keep in mind that Armanti was huge in those wins but I think there is so much there beyond him. We had an AD change, offense changed, Jerry started to get out of some of his old ways, etc. If those things don't happen I don't think we win titles with or without Armanti.

Based on what you are saying you are giving bias to the QB position because it gets the most credit for wins since the QB touches the ball every play. I am truly to actually gauge who was the best player on the field and not just impact of the team results on the field. I try to judge all positions equally and say who the best player was. We are arguing over legends who were great at App regardless though. That era with Armanti had about a half dozen or so that I think you have to consider among our all-time greats for sure. Those teams were stacked and fast.

FWIW, there was a huge controversy among members of this board who were on the old Delphi Forum's board as to whether Armanti or Trey Elder should have been the starting QB. Most said Trey.

As I recall...

Trey was the starter, got hurt against JMU, Armanti came in, didn't have an insane game but was electrifying enough with some of his plays and had people's attention. Trey remained hurt for a couple more weeks, where Armanti did his thing, and the rest from there is history.

Not sure how anyone realistically would have thought Trey should have started, even after becoming healthy.

Personally, I don't think 2006 and 2007 titles happen without Armanti as starting QB those years. I also don't think Michigan victory happens.

Armanti's abilities made defenses have to respect so much with that offense. Drop into coverage, Armanti could take off for 20 yards. Prevent him running around the edge, he will just read option it to Kevin Richardson who bust up the middle. There were some athletes on that offense at WR as well, but I feel Armanti's abilities made them even better.

[AppStFan1]

AE was a quarterback , he didn't get a shot to prove that he could play the position in the NFL.Maybe he could have .We will never know and that is a great shame.

Agreed!

[AppStFan1]

Just my opinion, whether a player was good, great or terrible in the pros has absolutely no impact as to whether they were the GOAT in college. The GOAT, Armanti Edwards, was instrumental in helping App win two national titles... without him, probably not..that equates to GOAT in my book

If you want to have a category of App GOAT. "college and pros" fine. Whether a player is a good or great pro has zero impact on my evaluation of college only category GOAT.

You said GOAT and not most impactful player. GOAT to me is who was the most dominant player on the field.

I have to ask this because I have noticed that the answer depends on who someone says. Did you actually watch Coakley live in person? Were you in the stands at games or watched on TV when we were on? Everyone I know who was around in the 90s or before says Coakley but those who came around after 2005 all say Armanti. They also admit they only have seen stats and never watched Dex closely in college or pros.

Armanti is indeed the most impactful player we have had ever had. He was the QB when we won titles and beat Michigan. I don't think anyone can argue that. You have to consider NFL somewhat and I think those who discount it completely do so because their argument is hurt by it. Coakley not only made it but was among the top 5-10 LBs in the world for a decade. I think you also have to remember that while AE was the first two-time winner of the Payton, Coakley was the first two-time winner of a major award like that in I-AA/FCS history. He is still the only two-time Buck Buchanan winner. Both players are great and to me I try to separate and say Edwards is the GOAT on offense while Coakley is on defense.

Keep in mind that Armanti was huge in those wins but I think there is so much there beyond him. We had an AD change, offense changed, Jerry started to get out of some of his old ways, etc. If those things don't happen I don't think we win titles with or without Armanti.

Based on what you are saying you are giving bias to the QB position because it gets the most credit for wins since the QB touches the ball every play. I am truly to actually gauge who was the best player on the field and not just impact of the team results on the field. I try to judge all positions equally and say who the best player was. We are arguing over legends who were great at App regardless though. That era with Armanti had about a half dozen or so that I think you have to consider among our all-time greats for sure. Those teams were stacked and fast.

FWIW, there was a huge controversy among members of this board who were on the old Delphi Forum's board as to whether Armanti or Trey Elder should have been the starting QB. Most said Trey.

I do remember some feeling that way initially just based on what they did out of high school. It was pretty evident early that Armanti was better as soon as he got on the field. I think Trey would have had a decent career but he was a very different type of quarterback.

[AppStFan1]

Just my opinion, whether a player was good, great or terrible in the pros has absolutely no impact as to whether they were the GOAT in college. The GOAT, Armanti Edwards, was instrumental in helping App win two national titles... without him, probably not..that equates to GOAT in my book

If you want to have a category of App GOAT. "college and pros" fine. Whether a player is a good or great pro has zero impact on my evaluation of college only category GOAT.

You said GOAT and not most impactful player. GOAT to me is who was the most dominant player on the field.

I have to ask this because I have noticed that the answer depends on who someone says. Did you actually watch Coakley live in person? Were you in the stands at games or watched on TV when we were on? Everyone I know who was around in the 90s or before says Coakley but those who came around after 2005 all say Armanti. They also admit they only have seen stats and never watched Dex closely in college or pros.

Armanti is indeed the most impactful player we have had ever had. He was the QB when we won titles and beat Michigan. I don't think anyone can argue that. You have to consider NFL somewhat and I think those who discount it completely do so because their argument is hurt by it. Coakley not only made it but was among the top 5-10 LBs in the world for a decade. I think you also have to remember that while AE was the first two-time winner of the Payton, Coakley was the first two-time winner of a major award like that in I-AA/FCS history. He is still the only two-time Buck Buchanan winner. Both players are great and to me I try to separate and say Edwards is the GOAT on offense while Coakley is on defense.

Keep in mind that Armanti was huge in those wins but I think there is so much there beyond him. We had an AD change, offense changed, Jerry started to get out of some of his old ways, etc. If those things don't happen I don't think we win titles with or without Armanti.

Based on what you are saying you are giving bias to the QB position because it gets the most credit for wins since the QB touches the ball every play. I am truly to actually gauge who was the best player on the field and not just impact of the team results on the field. I try to judge all positions equally and say who the best player was. We are arguing over legends who were great at App regardless though. That era with Armanti had about a half dozen or so that I think you have to consider among our all-time greats for sure. Those teams were stacked and fast.

FWIW, there was a huge controversy among members of this board who were on the old Delphi Forum's board as to whether Armanti or Trey Elder should have been the starting QB. Most said Trey.

As I recall...

Trey was the starter, got hurt against JMU, Armanti came in, didn't have an insane game but was electrifying enough with some of his plays and had people's attention. Trey remained hurt for a couple more weeks, where Armanti did his thing, and the rest from there is history.

Not sure how anyone realistically would have thought Trey should have started, even after becoming healthy.

Personally, I don't think 2006 and 2007 titles happen without Armanti as starting QB those years. I also don't think Michigan victory happens.

Armanti's abilities made defenses have to respect so much with that offense. Drop into coverage, Armanti could take off for 20 yards. Prevent him running around the edge, he will just read option it to Kevin Richardson who bust up the middle. There were some athletes on that offense at WR as well, but I feel Armanti's abilities made them even better.

Agreed on that. Trey was a different style and his style would not have beaten Michigan. Armanti was so dynamic with his feet, like you said, and that was the difference maker.

[appstate77]

I just read the article and listened to the podcast. I come away just sickened by the way the Panthers used and treated AE. Gettleman refused to comment when Fowler contacted him. Pathetic.

[T-Dog]

The irony is one of the main ones giving AE so much crap and likely a main cause of the dark period is the one who wrote this article..

It's almost like beat writers sometimes carry the water for the coaches and front office because they want to maintain their sources. Kinda like how certain App donors keep repeating that we need to blame Drinkwitz and his crappy recruiting for the situation Clark is in now.

I know a lot of App fans are still angry about how Armanti was treated by the Panthers, but it wasn't the media that did him in. In the piece, it's even said that Fox didn't want AE and he was just a ploy to sell tickets to App fans. Didn't help that in his first preseason game, he muffed two punts. He was a pawn used by an organization going into a tailspin at the time.

[Stonewall]

Coach told me that AE was the best , and quickest decision maker he had ever seen at the position and that was what set him apart.Yes , that Coach .

[AppStateNews]

The irony is one of the main ones giving AE so much crap and likely a main cause of the dark period is the one who wrote this article..

It's almost like beat writers sometimes carry the water for the coaches and front office because they want to maintain their sources. Kinda like how certain App donors keep repeating that we need to blame Drinkwitz and his crappy recruiting for the situation Clark is in now.

I know a lot of App fans are still angry about how Armanti was treated by the Panthers, but it wasn't the media that did him in. In the piece, it's even said that Fox didn't want AE and he was just a ploy to sell tickets to App fans. Didn't help that in his first preseason game, he muffed two punts. He was a pawn used by an organization going into a tailspin at the time.

Absolutely was not the media that did him in. But Scott Fowler played a large part in getting the non-App fan base to hate on him. Between Scott and the afternoon AM radio guys (forgetting their names at the moment), even if AE was a savior, he would have been hated by the fan base.

Hell, just last year (or maybe two) when the Panthers were struggling, the same radio guys still blamed it on AE. Obviously it's a joke at this point, but that's the crap they did during his career here. Same radio guys also said they don't condone death threats to any player but they could understand if Panthers fans sent them to AE while he was a player. Not a day later he had a typed death threat in his mailbox -- not coincidental (as the police investigation uncovered)

[Beast]

FWIW..In 2012 Armanti recorded the longest KO return, the longest punt return and the longest pass reception for the Panthers.

[Black Saturday]

The Panthers treated AE as a novelity, never taking his abilities seriously. No App State player has much of a chance in Charlotte. All get cut and move elsewhere.

Peoples is on that watch list.

[appstate77]

The Panthers treated AE as a novelity, never taking his abilities seriously. No App State player has much of a chance in Charlotte. All get cut and move elsewhere.

Peoples is on that watch list.

Yep.

[AppStFan1]

The Panthers treated AE as a novelity, never taking his abilities seriously. No App State player has much of a chance in Charlotte. All get cut and move elsewhere.

Peoples is on that watch list.

I believe the talent is there but I also believe he has wasted much of it and was too soft in college. If he can suddenly get mentally and physically tough he has a shot but we will see. The expectation around Charlotte is that Sanders, Hubbard, and Blackshear make the 53-man roster. Peoples is competing with Evans and Brown, a rookie and first-year player.

[appstate77]

If he doesn't put in more effort than he did in Boone, Cam will be playing XFL next season.

[appdaze]

Cam is putting in the work. He wants it. Big difference in effort when a life-changing bag is on the table.

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