Predict the bowls

[WVAPPeer]

I agree, no ones cares about our opinions - but 12-16 with all conf champs isn't going to happen ---

This year you could have ---
Temple - 10-3 (with a loss to Army)
VT - 10-3 (with a loss to Syracuse)
OK St - 10-2 (with loss to Central Michigan)
Penn St - 11-2 (with a loss to Pitt)
La Tech - 9-4 ( with a loss to TXTech
Ohio - 9-4 (with a loss to TEXAS STATE)
SDSU - 10-3 (with a loss to SOUTH ALABAMA)
Colorado - 11-2 (with a loss to USC)
Florida - 10-3 (with a loss to Arkansas)
Arkansas State - 7-5 (with losses to Utah State and 1-AA Central Ark)

[EastHallApp]

I agree, no ones cares about our opinions - but 12-16 with all conf champs isn't going to happen ---

This year you could have ---
Temple - 10-3 (with a loss to Army)
VT - 10-3 (with a loss to Syracuse)
OK St - 10-2 (with loss to Central Michigan)
Penn St - 11-2 (with a loss to Pitt)
La Tech - 9-4 ( with a loss to TXTech
Ohio - 9-4 (with a loss to TEXAS STATE)
SDSU - 10-3 (with a loss to SOUTH ALABAMA)
Colorado - 11-2 (with a loss to USC)
Florida - 10-3 (with a loss to Arkansas)
Arkansas State - 7-5 (with losses to Utah State and 1-AA Central Ark)

I agree, it probably won't. But you're picking a scenario where the underdog (in some cases big underdogs) wins every single conference title game. Odds of that happening are extraordinarily unlikely.

Rewrite this list Sunday with the actual conference champions and see how it looks then.

[WVAPPeer]

Well I did say ---
This year you COULD have ---

[bigdaddyg]

I realize that this shared idea will be struck down as FCS thinking but what is so wrong with a G5 playoff? The fact that there are already clearly defined P5 and G5 conferences means something. There is absolutely no way any G5 makes a 4 team playoff. For that matter there are really only about 15 (maybe) schools that will really ever have a legit shot. How far does Wake or Kansas or some other P5 cellar dweller have to go? I kind of like the idea of a G5 final 6- conference champions and a wildcard with the highest ranked 2 teams receiving byes- incentive to still play and win tough non-conference games. Play initial games at home sites and championship at a good bowl.

[AppAlum1]

I realize that this shared idea will be struck down as FCS thinking but what is so wrong with a G5 playoff? The fact that there are already clearly defined P5 and G5 conferences means something. There is absolutely no way any G5 makes a 4 team playoff. For that matter there are really only about 15 (maybe) schools that will really ever have a legit shot. How far does Wake or Kansas or some other P5 cellar dweller have to go? I kind of like the idea of a G5 final 6- conference champions and a wildcard with the highest ranked 2 teams receiving byes- incentive to still play and win tough non-conference games. Play initial games at home sites and championship at a good bowl.

Oooo. GREAT IDEA! Genius!

It will never work.

Makes too much sense to have the G5 top 8 or even 16 have a playoff for that prized spot in the Cotton Bowl on New Years' Eve.

[MtnMan09]

I realize that this shared idea will be struck down as FCS thinking but what is so wrong with a G5 playoff? The fact that there are already clearly defined P5 and G5 conferences means something. There is absolutely no way any G5 makes a 4 team playoff. For that matter there are really only about 15 (maybe) schools that will really ever have a legit shot. How far does Wake or Kansas or some other P5 cellar dweller have to go? I kind of like the idea of a G5 final 6- conference champions and a wildcard with the highest ranked 2 teams receiving byes- incentive to still play and win tough non-conference games. Play initial games at home sites and championship at a good bowl.

I mean, if Wake wins the ACC and is a one loss to someone decent they go. IMO I think they just need more than one Access Bowl to give us poor people more realistic hope for playing in the spotlight. But I don't think we want to do anything else that shows approval for a permanent rift developing between P5 and G5 or we will end right back up in a "new" FCS where bigger schools don't have an incentive to play us at all.

[AppfaninCAALand]

I agree, no ones cares about our opinions - but 12-16 with all conf champs isn't going to happen ---

This year you could have ---
Temple - 10-3 (with a loss to Army)
VT - 10-3 (with a loss to Syracuse)
OK St - 10-2 (with loss to Central Michigan)
Penn St - 11-2 (with a loss to Pitt)
La Tech - 9-4 ( with a loss to TXTech
Ohio - 9-4 (with a loss to TEXAS STATE)
SDSU - 10-3 (with a loss to SOUTH ALABAMA)
Colorado - 11-2 (with a loss to USC)
Florida - 10-3 (with a loss to Arkansas)
Arkansas State - 7-5 (with losses to Utah State and 1-AA Central Ark)

And SWAC basketball champion* will probably have a losing record. But they will get a berth to the the NCAA tournament anyway.

Fun fact: The SWAC has the statistically highest likelihood of sending a team with a losing record to the Big Dance, and the entire conference has a total of 6 OOC home games against DI schools this season.

[bigdaddyg]

I realize that this shared idea will be struck down as FCS thinking but what is so wrong with a G5 playoff? The fact that there are already clearly defined P5 and G5 conferences means something. There is absolutely no way any G5 makes a 4 team playoff. For that matter there are really only about 15 (maybe) schools that will really ever have a legit shot. How far does Wake or Kansas or some other P5 cellar dweller have to go? I kind of like the idea of a G5 final 6- conference champions and a wildcard with the highest ranked 2 teams receiving byes- incentive to still play and win tough non-conference games. Play initial games at home sites and championship at a good bowl.

Oooo. GREAT IDEA! Genius!

It will never work.

Makes too much sense to have the G5 top 8 or even 16 have a playoff for that prized spot in the Cotton Bowl on New Years' Eve.

No doubt that not one single piece will work. NCAA is completely ok with 60 or so schools living the dream. I mean W Michigan is likely to go undefeated and there is still a bunch of talk about Navy getting the Access bid. Unless a good G5 just wants the money there isn't a huge upside to playing "a big boy" unless that teams conference is deemed to be worthy.

[ASU_MBA]

I realize that this shared idea will be struck down as FCS thinking but what is so wrong with a G5 playoff? The fact that there are already clearly defined P5 and G5 conferences means something. There is absolutely no way any G5 makes a 4 team playoff. For that matter there are really only about 15 (maybe) schools that will really ever have a legit shot. How far does Wake or Kansas or some other P5 cellar dweller have to go? I kind of like the idea of a G5 final 6- conference champions and a wildcard with the highest ranked 2 teams receiving byes- incentive to still play and win tough non-conference games. Play initial games at home sites and championship at a good bowl.

If Houston went undefeated they would have been a G5 School in the 4 Team Playoff. No doubt in my mind.

Basically for a G5 team to make it in they need to have impressive wins over ranked P5 schools. It is a long shot, I agree. Hopefully one day we see the FBS playoff mimic the FCS with autobids for conference champs and a few at large spots. It is a dream but unlikely anytime soon.

[bigdaddyg]

I realize that this shared idea will be struck down as FCS thinking but what is so wrong with a G5 playoff? The fact that there are already clearly defined P5 and G5 conferences means something. There is absolutely no way any G5 makes a 4 team playoff. For that matter there are really only about 15 (maybe) schools that will really ever have a legit shot. How far does Wake or Kansas or some other P5 cellar dweller have to go? I kind of like the idea of a G5 final 6- conference champions and a wildcard with the highest ranked 2 teams receiving byes- incentive to still play and win tough non-conference games. Play initial games at home sites and championship at a good bowl.

If Houston went undefeated they would have been a G5 School in the 4 Team Playoff. No doubt in my mind.

Basically for a G5 team to make it in they need to have impressive wins over ranked P5 schools. It is a long shot, I agree. Hopefully one day we see the FBS playoff mimic the FCS with autobids for conference champs and a few at large spots. It is a dream but unlikely anytime soon.

Yes IF Houston had gone undefeated but they didn't unfortunately and they had zero room for error. One of the most jacked up things about the whole P5/G5 deal is that lots of schools are P5 by association. I had asked on a thread earlier this season which P5's did everyone think we could beat- the list isn't that short. A P5 can go say 11-1 in a conference and not even play the best of the rest and can slide into a championship game. There are many P5 schools who never challenge for a title.

[WVAPPeer]

"If Houston went undefeated they would have been a G5 School in the 4 Team Playoff. No doubt in my mind."


Wow, I really don't think Houston would have much of a chance to be in the Playoff 4 - Say they were undefeated who would they knock out of the current 4 if all win? - Alabama 13-0 - NO, Ohio State 11-1 - NO, Clemson 12-1 - NO, Washington 12-1 - NO
I just don't see it - we all want the "little guy" to get his shot but it isn't in the interest of the P5s to spread the wealth ---

[bigdaddyg]

"If Houston went undefeated they would have been a G5 School in the 4 Team Playoff. No doubt in my mind."


Wow, I really don't think Houston would have much of a chance to be in the Playoff 4 - Say they were undefeated who would they knock out of the current 4 if all win? - Alabama 13-0 - NO, Ohio State 11-1 - NO, Clemson 12-1 - NO, Washington 12-1 - NO
I just don't see it - we all want the "little guy" to get his shot but it isn't in the interest of the P5s to spread the wealth ---

Agree! None of those guys gets bumped. The committee would keep UH around 6, say nice things but then argue against overall body of work to include half of their wins against sub or near .500 teams in their conference

[Boone Goon]

"If Houston went undefeated they would have been a G5 School in the 4 Team Playoff. No doubt in my mind."


Wow, I really don't think Houston would have much of a chance to be in the Playoff 4 - Say they were undefeated who would they knock out of the current 4 if all win? - Alabama 13-0 - NO, Ohio State 11-1 - NO, Clemson 12-1 - NO, Washington 12-1 - NO
I just don't see it - we all want the "little guy" to get his shot but it isn't in the interest of the P5s to spread the wealth ---

Agree! None of those guys gets bumped. The committee would keep UH around 6, say nice things but then argue against overall body of work to include half of their wins against sub or near .500 teams in their conference

Maybe it's because we're new to all of this, but I think we're setting our sights on the wrong prize in our 2nd year of bowl eligibility. I don't think expanding the CFP is good for the game. And I'm completely opposed to the G5 Playoffs, because it will only accelerate the segregation of P5/G5 (ala: FBS/FCS, 1A/1AA).

I think the better focus for us now and for the bowl system over the next 5 years is to find a way for App to get bowl opponents from the P5. I don't care if it's a 6-6 team from the SEC (this year it's SC & Vandy). Heck, I think we'd all welcome another crack at Miami or Tennessee right now. It would be great if the bowl tie-ins could change and allow Top 25 teams in geographic areas to play each other. 5v6, 10v11, 15v16 and so on.

I know that's a departure from the tradition, but I think coming up with a way to get into a NY6 game has a higher chance possibility than getting into the play-offs.

[AppDawg]

I agree, no ones cares about our opinions - but 12-16 with all conf champs isn't going to happen ---

This year you could have ---
Temple - 10-3 (with a loss to Army)
VT - 10-3 (with a loss to Syracuse)
OK St - 10-2 (with loss to Central Michigan)
Penn St - 11-2 (with a loss to Pitt)
La Tech - 9-4 ( with a loss to TXTech
Ohio - 9-4 (with a loss to TEXAS STATE)
SDSU - 10-3 (with a loss to SOUTH ALABAMA)
Colorado - 11-2 (with a loss to USC)
Florida - 10-3 (with a loss to Arkansas)
Arkansas State - 7-5 (with losses to Utah State and 1-AA Central Ark)

It could work if the Conference Championship games are Round #1.

[AppSt94]

I like the idea of a 24 team playoff. The top 8 (consisting of the P5 conference champions and the top 3 ranked of the G5 conf champs and the three independents are given byes to the second round. The remaining 16 play the first week. All games until the championship are played at the home of the highest seeded team. The NCAA keeps the gates minus gameday operating expenses and travel cost for the visiting team. All teams that don't make the playoffs and the losers of week 1 are eligible for bowl games. It is a formula that has been proven to work.

[bigdaddyg]

I like the idea of a 24 team playoff. The top 8 (consisting of the P5 conference champions and the top 3 ranked of the G5 conf champs and the three independents are given byes to the second round. The remaining 16 play the first week. All games until the championship are played at the home of the highest seeded team. The NCAA keeps the gates minus gameday operating expenses and travel cost for the visiting team. All teams that don't make the playoffs and the losers of week 1 are eligible for bowl games. It is a formula that has been proven to work.

Are you saying the 5 P5 champs (so they play 12 regular season and a championship game) and the top G5 and 3 independent get byes? Is that 11 teams? That point aside and under your scenario if this began this season the league championship games would be this weekend and the playoff games next weekend. Some schools would play for virtually the whole month of December? Not saying it doesn't sound good but that's too many games and it cuts into exam time- never going to fly. I also understand when you say it has worked. The extra couple of weeks makes a difference. I think the FCS second round is this weekend so they are ahead of the FBS model.

My thought is if they go to a 12 team format with the top 4 receiving byes- creates a lot of buzz for weeks. The 5-12 play at the home field of the top seed and the winners play the bye teams in the 4 big bowls on NYD. The losers go to predetermined bowls with opponents already chosen. Under this format you add one extra game for 4 teams and you still have bowl game excitement.

[AppAlum1]

Maybe it's because we're new to all of this, but I think we're setting our sights on the wrong prize in our 2nd year of bowl eligibility. I don't think expanding the CFP is good for the game. And I'm completely opposed to the G5 Playoffs, because it will only accelerate the segregation of P5/G5 (ala: FBS/FCS, 1A/1AA).

I disagree. It's ALREADY segregated. To have a playoff system in G5 land is better than nothing, which is what we have now.

But, as I said in my earlier post, this will NOT happen, because it makes too much sense.

[Deano]

"Maybe it's because we're new to all of this, but I think we're setting our sights on the wrong prize in our 2nd year of bowl eligibility. I don't think expanding the CFP is good for the game. And I'm completely opposed to the G5 Playoffs, because it will only accelerate the segregation of P5/G5 (ala: FBS/FCS, 1A/1AA).

I think the better focus for us now and for the bowl system over the next 5 years is to find a way for App to get bowl opponents from the P5. I don't care if it's a 6-6 team from the SEC (this year it's SC & Vandy). Heck, I think we'd all welcome another crack at Miami or Tennessee right now. It would be great if the bowl tie-ins could change and allow Top 25 teams in geographic areas to play each other. 5v6, 10v11, 15v16 and so on.

I know that's a departure from the tradition, but I think coming up with a way to get into a NY6 game has a higher chance possibility than getting into the play-offs."

You see I don't understand the logic of your argument, you say you're not in favor of expanding the playoffs cause its not good for the game? and it doesn't offer us a realistic shot at making the playoffs?

I bet to differ, expanding the playoffs would drive up the excitement of all the games, and whether its an 8 team playoff field with 1 guaranteed G5 slot or a 16 team field several G5 slots, that's still a lot more guaranteed slots than currently exists in the present model? I think you are lacking vision my friend. We currently have a team (WMU) who is undefeated and yet still does not have a shot at playing for a championship. The change from the BCS championship model to the playoff model (I thought) was supposed to ensure that a true champion was crowned. The only way the G5 schools are going to get any shot at a Championship is through expanded playoffs.

[bigdaddyg]

Maybe it's because we're new to all of this, but I think we're setting our sights on the wrong prize in our 2nd year of bowl eligibility. I don't think expanding the CFP is good for the game. And I'm completely opposed to the G5 Playoffs, because it will only accelerate the segregation of P5/G5 (ala: FBS/FCS, 1A/1AA).

I disagree. It's ALREADY segregated. To have a playoff system in G5 land is better than nothing, which is what we have now.

But, as I said in my earlier post, this will NOT happen, because it makes too much sense.

I agree about the segregation comment. If it didn't already exist there wouldn't be terms like Power 5 and Group of 5. Kind of like the basketball tournament. Lots of little guys get in the tournament but in reality have no shot. The only thing most schools like App have a legit shot at in an absolute perfect year is maybe playing in the NY6 bowl game. It's a shame that there is so much emphasis placed on the final 4 and the championship game. Just imagine how exciting the regular season would be if there were a G5 playoff and championship. Let it be more like the NIT so to speak. If the main FBS playoff bracket went to say, 8 teams with the best G5 team getting an automatic bid then there would still exist that possibility for a G5 to win the biggie. Do an 8 team G5 playoff with the 5 conference champs and 3 wild cards. The regular season really matters and say an 11-1 App team loses the conference championship they could still get a wild card bid based on a great regular season.

[AppSt94]

I like the idea of a 24 team playoff. The top 8 (consisting of the P5 conference champions and the top 3 ranked of the G5 conf champs and the three independents are given byes to the second round. The remaining 16 play the first week. All games until the championship are played at the home of the highest seeded team. The NCAA keeps the gates minus gameday operating expenses and travel cost for the visiting team. All teams that don't make the playoffs and the losers of week 1 are eligible for bowl games. It is a formula that has been proven to work.

Are you saying the 5 P5 champs (so they play 12 regular season and a championship game) and the top G5 and 3 independent get byes? Is that 11 teams? That point aside and under your scenario if this began this season the league championship games would be this weekend and the playoff games next weekend. Some schools would play for virtually the whole month of December? Not saying it doesn't sound good but that's too many games and it cuts into exam time- never going to fly. I also understand when you say it has worked. The extra couple of weeks makes a difference. I think the FCS second round is this weekend so they are ahead of the FBS model.

My thought is if they go to a 12 team format with the top 4 receiving byes- creates a lot of buzz for weeks. The 5-12 play at the home field of the top seed and the winners play the bye teams in the 4 big bowls on NYD. The losers go to predetermined bowls with opponents already chosen. Under this format you add one extra game for 4 teams and you still have bowl game excitement.

It's not perfect and like with all plans, there are bugs and changes to the norm. So to address the concerns that you brought up. So P5's would play a 12 game schedule and a CCG. And yes you would be adding more games to the schedule, but assuming two of the top seeded teams make it to the National Championship Game, they would be the only ones that would play 16 games and only four teams would play 15. If there are concerns over the timing, we are in week 14 of the season. Reduce the reg season by one game and play 11 games in 12 weeks. CCGs are played Thanksgiving weekend and the playoffs start the following week. The season would end essentially the same time that it would this year. It's not perfect, I know, but it isn't anymore flawed than it is right now. In looking at the current scenario, you have a team in Ohio St that is in essence the third place team in their conference and second place in their division and they will get a chance to play for a National Title while the two teams that have a chance to be BIG champs are going to a bowl. That doesn't seem right to me.