Fair share and socialism, this is awesome!!!

Where do we keep the unicorns in this world?

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 10:03 pm

T-Dog wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 8:47 pm

More than 1% of D1 athletes are getting NIL deals. They're just not getting the giant money headline deals everyone sees. Blue Deer Cookie in Boone and the Boone Area Chamber of Commerce got into NILs. App had dozens of NIL deals last summer before a single ball was kicked in competition. I bet there's some volleyball players who got some very nice NIL deals because they have big Instagram followings. There's an Elon backup offensive lineman with a successful TikTok (more than a million followers) who has NIL deals.

I would say every student athlete who has to get up at 5 a.m. for "optional workouts" in the offseason is exploited. Regardless of whether they make the university a dime or not, because they were brought to App State for the No. 1 purpose above all else of scoring more points or finishing higher in the stadings than the other teams.

Are you serious? How does getting up for a workout amount to exploitation?

Because we all know "optional workouts" are never really optional.

There's complexities to tying in scholarships or lack thereof to NIL. In FBS football (and basketball, volleyball, women's tennis and a couple other sports App doesn't offer), you either get a full ride or nothing. And with that full ride, you get certain perks that walk ons don't get. If a star player gives up their scholarship because of NIL money, then they lose their scholarship-athlete perks.

Also, even though NIL is largely unregulated, one rule is that you absolutely cannot tie NIL directly to performance. You can give a kid a $10k marketing deal after they scored three touchdowns to beat your rival, but not directly because. And you can't promise them any kind of NIL money if they reach certain benchmarks.

On the Fun Belt Pod, Clark suggested some kind of NIL tied into getting conference player of the week or some performance-based NIL system, which is completely illegal right now. The academic-based idea he also suggested would be legal.

T-Dog wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 1:46 pm

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 10:03 pm

T-Dog wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 8:47 pm

More than 1% of D1 athletes are getting NIL deals. They're just not getting the giant money headline deals everyone sees. Blue Deer Cookie in Boone and the Boone Area Chamber of Commerce got into NILs. App had dozens of NIL deals last summer before a single ball was kicked in competition. I bet there's some volleyball players who got some very nice NIL deals because they have big Instagram followings. There's an Elon backup offensive lineman with a successful TikTok (more than a million followers) who has NIL deals.

I would say every student athlete who has to get up at 5 a.m. for "optional workouts" in the offseason is exploited. Regardless of whether they make the university a dime or not, because they were brought to App State for the No. 1 purpose above all else of scoring more points or finishing higher in the stadings than the other teams.

Are you serious? How does getting up for a workout amount to exploitation?

Because we all know "optional workouts" are never really optional.

Ok. But labeling it as exploitation it a bit heavy handed. The ones that want to be on the field show up and put in the work. My understanding is that the off season, player directed workouts over the last couple of months have been lengthy and focused.

Players don’t play because they skipped “voluntary” workouts. Players don’t play because they skipped “voluntary” workouts. Read that again.

T-Dog wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 1:46 pm

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 10:03 pm

T-Dog wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 8:47 pm

More than 1% of D1 athletes are getting NIL deals. They're just not getting the giant money headline deals everyone sees. Blue Deer Cookie in Boone and the Boone Area Chamber of Commerce got into NILs. App had dozens of NIL deals last summer before a single ball was kicked in competition. I bet there's some volleyball players who got some very nice NIL deals because they have big Instagram followings. There's an Elon backup offensive lineman with a successful TikTok (more than a million followers) who has NIL deals.

I would say every student athlete who has to get up at 5 a.m. for "optional workouts" in the offseason is exploited. Regardless of whether they make the university a dime or not, because they were brought to App State for the No. 1 purpose above all else of scoring more points or finishing higher in the stadings than the other teams.

Are you serious? How does getting up for a workout amount to exploitation?

Because we all know "optional workouts" are never really optional.

Every workout every practice every meeting being on the team is optional. You want to or you don’t. If you want to and join up, the organization has stipulations to be a part of it.
You accept that or not. I would be surprised if an athlete at Appalachian was forced to come here and play. No matter how much we beg and pleaded for them to come it’s their choice.

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Sun May 22, 2022 5:03 pm

T-Dog wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 1:46 pm

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 10:03 pm

T-Dog wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 8:47 pm

More than 1% of D1 athletes are getting NIL deals. They're just not getting the giant money headline deals everyone sees. Blue Deer Cookie in Boone and the Boone Area Chamber of Commerce got into NILs. App had dozens of NIL deals last summer before a single ball was kicked in competition. I bet there's some volleyball players who got some very nice NIL deals because they have big Instagram followings. There's an Elon backup offensive lineman with a successful TikTok (more than a million followers) who has NIL deals.

I would say every student athlete who has to get up at 5 a.m. for "optional workouts" in the offseason is exploited. Regardless of whether they make the university a dime or not, because they were brought to App State for the No. 1 purpose above all else of scoring more points or finishing higher in the stadings than the other teams.

Are you serious? How does getting up for a workout amount to exploitation?

Because we all know "optional workouts" are never really optional.

Every workout every practice every meeting being on the team is optional. You want to or you don’t. If you want to and join up, the organization has stipulations to be a part of it.
You accept that or not. I would be surprised if an athlete at Appalachian was forced to come here and play. No matter how much we beg and pleaded for them to come it’s their choice.

All you ever hear about are how these (mostly) big time college athletes are taken advantage of, deserve this or that, etc. I think the system is jacked up but I don’t really care if a person makes money or not in this way. I just don’t buy into the “deserves” crap. I agree, absolutely nobody forces any student athlete to play a sport, except possibly family members who often push these kids for years through various levels of travel ball, AAU, etc. College athletics has always been demanding and people know that going in. Thousands of young adults graduate each year and played a sport for their free tuition and opportunities. A great majority quietly play and don’t expect compensation. Again, for the select few who lead the way to big bucks for the school by all means get some endorsements but keep the process clean.

T-Dog wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 3:33 pm

It's not the athletes' fault that the NCAA spent millions on a lawsuit defending a system that would declare players ineligible for having monetized YouTube/Twitch accounts and pay back $5 for an impermissible extra meal, only to get wrecked by all nine justices of the SCOTUS. And then the NCAA failed to come up with an NIL system leading to an unregulated landscape. The NCAA and its administrators failed to have a system in place that would regulate it, although I suspect we'll have something in the near future, be it from the NCAA or each individual conference.

Just want to note that this is a correct and succinct answer to the question, in the very first reply.

The NCAA could have seen the writing on the wall and chosen to get out ahead of the inevitable, even embrace it, and set up a regulatory framework around NIL. Instead they fought it tooth and nail in the courts, lost overwhelmingly, and apparently had no plan in place for that outcome. And what we're seeing now is the result.

EastHallApp wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 11:01 pm

T-Dog wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 3:33 pm

It's not the athletes' fault that the NCAA spent millions on a lawsuit defending a system that would declare players ineligible for having monetized YouTube/Twitch accounts and pay back $5 for an impermissible extra meal, only to get wrecked by all nine justices of the SCOTUS. And then the NCAA failed to come up with an NIL system leading to an unregulated landscape. The NCAA and its administrators failed to have a system in place that would regulate it, although I suspect we'll have something in the near future, be it from the NCAA or each individual conference.

Just want to note that this is a correct and succinct answer to the question, in the very first reply.

The NCAA could have seen the writing on the wall and chosen to get out ahead of the inevitable, even embrace it, and set up a regulatory framework around NIL. Instead they fought it tooth and nail in the courts, lost overwhelmingly, and apparently had no plan in place for that outcome. And what we're seeing now is the result.

Since when does the NCAA do anything proactively. Besides, the NCAA probably thought they had set a precedent with Jeremy Bloom. He has a was the Colorado Buffalo football player that was also on the US Ski team. He was denied the right to earn money on his likeness as a skier and still play football.

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Mon May 23, 2022 5:45 am

EastHallApp wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 11:01 pm

T-Dog wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 3:33 pm

It's not the athletes' fault that the NCAA spent millions on a lawsuit defending a system that would declare players ineligible for having monetized YouTube/Twitch accounts and pay back $5 for an impermissible extra meal, only to get wrecked by all nine justices of the SCOTUS. And then the NCAA failed to come up with an NIL system leading to an unregulated landscape. The NCAA and its administrators failed to have a system in place that would regulate it, although I suspect we'll have something in the near future, be it from the NCAA or each individual conference.

Just want to note that this is a correct and succinct answer to the question, in the very first reply.

The NCAA could have seen the writing on the wall and chosen to get out ahead of the inevitable, even embrace it, and set up a regulatory framework around NIL. Instead they fought it tooth and nail in the courts, lost overwhelmingly, and apparently had no plan in place for that outcome. And what we're seeing now is the result.

Since when does the NCAA do anything proactively. Besides, the NCAA probably thought they had set a precedent with Jeremy Bloom. He has a was the Colorado Buffalo football player that was also on the US Ski team. He was denied the right to earn money on his likeness as a skier and still play football.

I remember Bloom. That was complete bs move by the ncaa. Guy was a hell of a player and skier

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Sun May 22, 2022 11:49 am

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 10:19 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 9:39 am

Saint3333 wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 9:15 am

The irony of capitalist against the NIL and the socialist for it isn’t lost on me.

Agree. I was thinking the same thing.

I don't think it is irony. It is about looking at the world in a way that produces outcomes that lead to a world-view closer to what one would like. (And I am not a big "the ends justify the means type person.) I am not a fan of all the money in college athletics, but it is there and has been for a long time but has really ramped up the last few decades. If the money is there it needs to go to ALL of those that earn it and hopefully can be done in a way that does not make the whole system implode, but if that happens maybe what takes its place will be a better system.

As a socialist I am not against anyone making money. What I am against is someone not getting their fair share.

How do you define fair share? Our OL gets free cookies from Blue Deer Cookies, the Texas RB got a Lamborghini. There is no such thing as fair share.

And to further the point. These NIL compensations aren’t coming from the revenue coffers of the NCAA. They are coming, in large part, from boosters that want to attract the best players possible to ensure that they can leave the stadiums and arenas happy with a W.

Let's be clear on this point. That Texas RB is getting screwed. Blue Deer Ice Cream Cookies bring the heat.

Here's my NIL question...how long before a19 year-old all-american (quarterback or shooting guard) gets charged with tax evasion and rolls over on everyone involved ?

Boone Goon wrote: ↑

Mon May 23, 2022 8:25 am

Here's my NIL question...how long before a19 year-old all-american (quarterback or shooting guard) gets charged with tax evasion and rolls over on everyone involved ?

Who is he going to roll over on? The taxes are on the person receiving the money.

Boone Goon wrote: ↑

Mon May 23, 2022 8:25 am

Here's my NIL question...how long before a19 year-old all-american (quarterback or shooting guard) gets charged with tax evasion and rolls over on everyone involved ?

The only way anyone else would be partly responsible is if they failed to provide the appropriate tax documents, likely a 1099 since the kid isn't an employee. Otherwise, there is no one to roll over on since the payments are now legal.

The unintended consequences are going to be pretty impactful to mid-tier programs across the bottom P5 and G5 programs.

The whole university system is broken, the race to create luxury dorms and accommodations to attract students, suppressing enrollments at elite schools, layers of administration, the list is long.

Great series here from one of our own on the issues facing higher education:

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/what-e ... llege-for/

Something being lightly touched on, but mostly passed over, is also the fact that NIL allows players to make money in ways other than playing sports. I don't remember the kid's name, but there was a football player somewhere who is also trying to start a career as a musician. Before the NIL stuff was passed, he had to play under a stage name and use fake social media accounts to promote himself. Otherwise, he would lose his football scholarship. Now, he can perform and promote as himself, make money with his other talent, and still be able to pay for his school with his football skills.

I'm sure there are hundreds of other cases that are similar. Athletes who have other passions and other ways to make money are now allowed to do that and still keep their scholarship.

It's a new world in recruiting, as it appears we found out yesterday. Poaching commits is a lot easier for a program at any level that has money. Cash incentive to flip.

Recruiting is going to be even more "exciting?" going forward. Fun times ahead.

Spurrier defends Saban: https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... mbo-fisher

Jimbo doubled down in a separate interview. Nice play on words..only 1 of 11 have deals...sure... because they have not signed them yet...This Jimbo/Saban should be taken to the octagon..

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... plete-lies

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Mon May 23, 2022 8:35 am

Boone Goon wrote: ↑

Mon May 23, 2022 8:25 am

Here's my NIL question...how long before a19 year-old all-american (quarterback or shooting guard) gets charged with tax evasion and rolls over on everyone involved ?

Who is he going to roll over on? The taxes are on the person receiving the money.

Poor word choice; better may have been blames everyone around him for his issue, or airs any and all other dirty laundry related to the program as a distraction. Many investigations start in one corner and end up digging holes throughout the ‘yard’. I think of some of the historic issues at The U, or Ohio State and USC. None of the ending issues were where the investigations started.

Boone Goon wrote: ↑

Tue May 24, 2022 9:05 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Mon May 23, 2022 8:35 am

Boone Goon wrote: ↑

Mon May 23, 2022 8:25 am

Here's my NIL question...how long before a19 year-old all-american (quarterback or shooting guard) gets charged with tax evasion and rolls over on everyone involved ?

Who is he going to roll over on? The taxes are on the person receiving the money.

Poor word choice; better may have been blames everyone around him for his issue, or airs any and all other dirty laundry related to the program as a distraction. Many investigations start in one corner and end up digging holes throughout the ‘yard’. I think of some of the historic issues at The U, or Ohio State and USC. None of the ending issues were where the investigations started.

I get that. You are right in that it starts somewhere. I think the first domino might be the collectives. These things are set up ripe for money-laundering and racketeering. I’m not saying that it will happen, but it is a possibility.