AP voter doubles down

[AppStFan1]

I think there's a place for both computer rankings and human voters. Polls have their flaws, but I don't think one voter making a dumb oversight in week 2 completely invalidates the whole concept.

Also, AI still makes a lot of basic mistakes, computer rankings are only as good as the humans who design them, and any computer system you create, teams will figure out a way to game it. See basketball teams running up the score on cupcakes to boost their NET rating.

I don't think the concept is invalid but more this group of voters. I don't think we should replace it with AI but simply be selective with who is voting and make all ballots public. There are some good voters but there should not be any who are lazy or heavily biased and that is a problem with many AP Poll voters. It is the same thing when we were in FCS with so many voters as SIDs or local beat writers will be heavily slanted toward their schools. When you see a school that you think is nowhere near top 25 has 4-5 votes they either got 4-5 25th place votes or someone possibly voted them as high as 20-21 or had multiple voters who put them in.

[APPdiesel]

There’s no need to use AI, it’s just a spreadsheet. IE, the BCS model.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Every other sport rewards a division or conference champion except for college football. College basketball strengths of schedule vary greatly but conference champions get a shot. It’s utterly ridiculous to increase the playoff field to 24 or whatever crazy number they advocate because player attrition will make it impossible for teams without huge payrolls to ultimately compete. What is the chance a really strong App team has enough remaining depth at running back after 12/13/14 games?

[AppStFan1]

Remember when I said what that girl did is getting attention but goofy ballots happen all the time? Here is someone going over all the crazy votes in the AP poll this week as well: https://x.com/kshermansports/status/196 ... buwobv0lTg

To me having SC ranked and not ranking Vanderbilt at all is just as bad as the girl who messed up with the Florida/USF result last week.

[APPdiesel]

AP voters need to submit their ballots and an editor ask “are you sure” before publishing. If they can make a case for why, fine that’s their opinion, but when it’s clear and obvious oversight the entire poll takes a public perception hit.

[AppStFan1]

AP voters need to submit their ballots and an editor ask “are you sure” before publishing. If they can make a case for why, fine that’s their opinion, but when it’s clear and obvious oversight the entire poll takes a public perception hit.

The crazy thing about the AP poll is that people are looking now after that UF/USF game but it happens quite often like that or the SC/Vandy ones. To me, if you wanted to wait one more week to rank Vandy to make sure they are good that is fine. I understand with their history but I think you have to drop SC out if you are going to do it though.

[Bigdaddyg1]

All you have to look at is USC (3-0) one spot below Notre Dame (0-2). How many teams after week 3 have been winless yet still in the Top 25?

[EastHallApp]

All you have to look at is USC (3-0) one spot below Notre Dame (0-2). How many teams after week 3 have been winless yet still in the Top 25?

I don't know. If you believed one team was better than another, and then Team A lost to Miami and Texas A&M by a total of four points while Team B beat Missouri State, Georgia Southern and Purdue, would that be enough to convince you to change your opinion?

FWIW, the coaches poll has ND three spots higher than the media poll (and seven spots ahead of USC).

[Cro-Magnon App]

I rarely look at the polls until the last few weeks of a season. They are good for stirring up an argument. I do know a college basketball coach who was on the poll some years ago that had a graduate assistant fill it out each week because he said the GA studied it more than he did and he was busy with the season. The folks on the AP poll live/love this kind of stuff and should decline to have a vote if they are not going to do their homework and take it seriously. I guess the same could be said of the coaches.

[AppStFan1]

I rarely look at the polls until the last few weeks of a season. They are good for stirring up an argument. I do know a college basketball coach who was on the poll some years ago that had a graduate assistant fill it out each week because he said the GA studied it more than he did and he was busy with the season. The folks on the AP poll live/love this kind of stuff and should decline to have a vote if they are not going to do their homework and take it seriously. I guess the same could be said of the coaches.

It’s a badge of honor and ego for most. Media love being voters in this stuff and when they get invited to do so they won’t turn it down. I remember a media member who said in an interview they let their son vote for Heisman. Their son would take his Heisman ballot to school and show his friends he could vote. I don’t see why they let school media vote in SBC awards because someone who only covers a school doesn’t see everyone.