Sun Belt to Discuss Our Membership March 9th

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Re: Sun Belt to Discuss Our Membership March 9th

Unread post by GoAppsGo92 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:27 pm

GlassOnion wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote: I don't think anyone said that they thought UD moving to the SB was likely, but that if the information posted here is true it seems that UD is at least somewhat interested in the SB. The thought being that the SB presidents wouldn't waste time considering UD as an option if UD was solidly against and uninterested in moving to the SB.

I would be shocked if the #4 option were to happen. However, assuming that the information is accurate, there must have been some sort of contact with and interest shown from UD.
The SB may consider trying to entice UD, probably why JMU is getting alot more mention than they were. And I have no doubt that if Benson asked UD if they minded him mentioning them in expansion talks, they'd say yes. Even Furman would, even though they would never go. Being offered an FBS invite alone is a feather in the cap of an FCS school.
You can put me down as "unlikely" for JMU and UD... but not nearly as unlikely as some have suggested. But I will say this: I think that if Benson serves up JMU and UD to the SBC membership as expanison scenarios without clearly understanding that both schools would likely accept an offer... he would look like a grade "A" A$$ Hat.

They already had the meeting months ago to identify expansion targets. That list was delivered to the public via a FOI request to GAGA Southern. The March 9th meeting is to discuss and decide what schools to invite. JMU and UD never come up in that meeting if they were not 90% certain the schools would accept.

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Re: Sun Belt to Discuss Our Membership March 9th

Unread post by newtoasu » Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:28 pm

AppAttack wrote:Is it me or does it seem like GSU's interest in FBS came rocketing out of nowhere? It seems like just the last year or so they wanted to remain FCS. Now they're dying at all costs for a move-up.
New President and new AD have a new vision.

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:57 pm

newtoasu wrote:
AppAttack wrote:Is it me or does it seem like GSU's interest in FBS came rocketing out of nowhere? It seems like just the last year or so they wanted to remain FCS. Now they're dying at all costs for a move-up.
New President and new AD have a new vision.

Two words, Georgia State.

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Re: Sun Belt to Discuss Our Membership March 9th

Unread post by asu66 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:04 pm

Saint3333 wrote:Two words, Georgia State.
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Re: Sun Belt to Discuss Our Membership March 9th

Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:21 pm

AppAttack wrote:Is it me or does it seem like GSU's interest in FBS came rocketing out of nowhere? It seems like just the last year or so they wanted to remain FCS. Now they're dying at all costs for a move-up.
I thought the same as well. It is not just you. There are at least two of us.
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Re: Sun Belt to Discuss Our Membership March 9th

Unread post by TheMoody1 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:41 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
newtoasu wrote:
AppAttack wrote:Is it me or does it seem like GSU's interest in FBS came rocketing out of nowhere? It seems like just the last year or so they wanted to remain FCS. Now they're dying at all costs for a move-up.
New President and new AD have a new vision.

Two words, Georgia State.


I am sure the thought of being in the socon minus ASU also played a role.

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Unread post by Eagle22 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:56 pm

Once Bruce Grube left Southern, the move to drive towards FBS gained a lot of momentum. Dr. Keel was hired in, and from day one he had the interest in making things happen. But he was saddled with an athletic director who had 15 years under his belt, and a decade worth of history at mocking the SunBelt. Most forget that Sam Baker was around at GSU when Wright Waters was SoCon commissioner ... and Waters played a role in Baker landing the job. What a lot of folks don't know is that Baker was not the first choice for AD when Bucky Wagner stepped down, instead he was a conciliatory candidate who Waters introduced when our selection committee was at loggerheads (this was 1995).

Paul Johnson's success in our premier sport afforded Baker a level of impunity that allowed him to survive many, many mistakes. After our '99 and '00 titles, he led a "Double up to leave Double-A" campaign to 'keep' PJ that fell flat on the booster base. He was at the time, loudly mocking the SunBelt leadership saying they had nothing to play for, while GSU was on the top of the mountain. Easy to say, but hard pills to swallow six years later when your team is 3-8 and you've hired an idiot coach.

Keel was advised by a number of boosters and donors to sever ties immediately with Sam, but pressing Georgia state budget issues demanded Dr. Keel handle University business first ... which allowed Sam almost two years to turn the corner. The problem Dr. Keel ultimately realized was that Sam had so damaged any possible relationship with SunBelt presidents, that a new beginning was necessary.

Dr. Keel gave every opportunity for Sam to get on board with the vision, but it simply wasn't/isn't in his DNA. There is certainly a fanbase split, but given the events of the last decade and the conference shifting it has become apparent to the majority of our fans that we need to move on. The idea of remaining in the SoCon without ASU is about as palatable to us, as it likely would be for ASU to stay if we left.

Fifteen years ago, I was a stout supporter of the division. That has changed over time because year after year it becomes clear that this division lacks leadership. It is either a stepping stone to bigger opportunities or a place to curl up and become comfortable. Our past leadership at GSU, since I started school in 1987, has been about pressing forward. While Bruce Grube was no sports fan, he did advance the university academics significantly to the point that we can be viewed in a much better light academically. Fortunately, our president understands it is possible to strive for excellence in academics and athletics.

Did Georgia State play a role ? Sure, their announcement on 4/12/12 certainly did. But, it was a black-eye day for Sam Baker, who openly scoffed at boosters/donors like myself that said the Panthers constituted a threat. But truth be told, a lot of inertia by our boosters has been scuttled and diffused in the past by the absence of direction and leadership. That has changed, and as a long time observer of the SoCon and ASU, I know that some on here can understand that feeling (Bork/Laney ring a bell ?)

I know that all the issues cannot be laid at the feet of just a president and AD, but when you lack drive and leadership from those two campus leaders ... it is impossible to move forward. In some facet, it is incredible that programs can survive some of the neglect, but that is a testament to the resolve of the fans, coaches and players. ASU and Georgia Southern, IMO ... have that commonality in their DNA.

Sorry for the long post, but every now and then I like to put out part of the story that either some have never heard, or perhaps have forgotten. There are quite a few GSU fans who've been on this FCS/FBS rollercoaster the last fifteen years, and we realize that you only get so many chances to go.

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Unread post by Cincy App » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:58 am

Thanks Eagle 22 for sharing the GSU background. I agree that most ASU fans have little interest in a future SoCon without the Eagles. And yes, you can substitute "Bork and Laney" along with UNCC football from ASU's perspective and we have more similarities.

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Unread post by Yosef84 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:49 am

AppAttack wrote:Is it me or does it seem like GSU's interest in FBS came rocketing out of nowhere? It seems like just the last year or so they wanted to remain FCS. Now they're dying at all costs for a move-up.
Change in leadership. Fans have been interested for a very long time. Sound familiar?

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Unread post by GoApps70 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:32 am

Take it you are another, like myself, that has been far from happy with our leadership the last few years.
Seemed to stop doing anything when they built enough room for the wine and cheese crowd and been living on their laurels quit a bit.
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Unread post by GoAppsGo92 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:30 pm

Heard rumor today that WKU will announce to coaches this week they are going to CUSA. March 9th may involve more than 2 schools if true. That means more room for schools from the east. Perhaps the option to pick up CAA members starts to make more sense now? A rebuilding of the east division perhaps?

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Unread post by Gonzo » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:33 pm

GoAppsGo92 wrote:Heard rumor today that WKU will announce to coaches this week they are going to CUSA. March 9th may involve more than 2 schools if true. That means more room for schools from the east. Perhaps the option to pick up CAA members starts to make more sense now? A rebuilding of the east division perhaps?
I heard Tulsa to BE, WKU to CUSA and App, GaSO and JMU to the SBC.

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Unread post by asumike83 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:34 pm

GoAppsGo92 wrote:Heard rumor today that WKU will announce to coaches this week they are going to CUSA. March 9th may involve more than 2 schools if true. That means more room for schools from the east. Perhaps the option to pick up CAA members starts to make more sense now? A rebuilding of the east division perhaps?
Not surprising but that would not be good for us. Losing WKU hurts Sun Belt basketball considerably and also removes the closest existing member to Boone.

I still think we accept if offered with GSU but this would make the conference less attractive to our administration. Invite us with GSU and JMU, it's a slam dunk but that seems unlikely.

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Re: Sun Belt to Discuss Our Membership March 9th

Unread post by Goapps15 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:40 pm

Gonzo wrote:
GoAppsGo92 wrote:Heard rumor today that WKU will announce to coaches this week they are going to CUSA. March 9th may involve more than 2 schools if true. That means more room for schools from the east. Perhaps the option to pick up CAA members starts to make more sense now? A rebuilding of the east division perhaps?
I heard Tulsa to BE, WKU to CUSA and App, GaSO and JMU to the SBC.
Where have you heard this rumor from? It could work I'm just wondering if it's legitimate.

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Unread post by asumike83 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:56 pm

Still early and looks like speculation but this is from Chad Bishop, WKU beat writer for Bowling Green Daily News:

Chad Bishop ‏@MrChadBishop
It's my understanding that once BE TV deal done, then Tulsa invite, then WKU invite to C-USA. That's mostly conjecture.


No mention of what the SBC would do after that, although it would not be his concern at that point. App, GSU and JMU would be excellent but I'm still not convinced that there is serious interest on either side with JMU.

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Unread post by GlassOnion » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:14 pm

the hell with it all. Let the BCS take its schools, then throw out the rest of the FBS conferences, and create 4 regional conferences. Have a NW/NE championship, and a SW/SE Championship, and then a National championship from those winners.

Bam. Done. Look at that, no experience whatsoever, and Im still running circles around the a** clowns running the show.

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Unread post by asumike83 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:28 pm

GlassOnion wrote:the hell with it all. Let the BCS take its schools, then throw out the rest of the FBS conferences, and create 4 regional conferences. Have a NW/NE championship, and a SW/SE Championship, and then a National championship from those winners.

Bam. Done. Look at that, no experience whatsoever, and Im still running circles around the a** clowns running the show.
One HUGE problem with your suggestion: it makes sense. Therefore, the NCAA would never consider it.

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Unread post by GlassOnion » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:17 pm

I seriously expect that we'll get an invite now after the march 9th meeting, and that 2013 we'll be ineligable. The SB is on shaky ground without WKU. And hopefully, since we'll be ineligable anyway, the announcement will come sooner than later.

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Re: Sun Belt to Discuss Our Membership March 9th

Unread post by GoAppsGo92 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:46 pm

I think that with AppState, JMU and GSU the SBC upgrades overall. I think that UD and JMU are joined at the hip however, which dovetails into the discussion we had earlier about options that will be placed in front of presidents on March 9.

All four would improve the conferences standing across the board IMO, and create that vision shared by our leaders of "like minded schools moving up togther to form a regional conference".

If BE takes Tulsa AND So Miss though, this could get really interesting.

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Re: Sun Belt to Discuss Our Membership March 9th

Unread post by hapapp » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:19 pm

Despite the overall quality of the potential FCS move ups, the perception of the SBC would take a big hit with the addition of four FCSers.

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