Georgia Southern puts out FBS campaign video

[Gonzo]

The thing that surprised me about the video is that it wasn't lobbying for so much for FBS, it was lobbying for reclassification as a national research institution, using FBS football as a means. That will increase their endowment and enhance their postgraduate programs.

Is this in the cards for us since there are so many more big schools in North Carolina than Georgia? I've always thought we would benefit from reclassifying and abandoning the small-time regional university status, but I always assumed it wasn't in the cards because of the Great Evil (the UNC System Board of Governors with the Tar Heel marionette ).

Has there ever been any serious push by our administration to reclassify? It seems like something Peacock would embrace.

[Saint3333]

I would say our research efforts have increased significantly the past five years, I don't the means to quantify that though.

Peacock would love to have a professional school of some kind at App. Listen to him talk about the partnership we have with Wake Forest.

[ASUMountaineer]

It's very obvious to me why we don't have official updates, statements etc from our Administration. They don't want it to look like they failed.

I find only highly successful and driven people like to make their goals public before hand. Everyone else like to write how they met all their "internal" goals at the end of the year.

Surely you aren't implying that Ken Peacock and Charlie Cobb are successful / driven people. If you believe that, then you obviously don't know either of them. Their goals were made public long ago. The problem here is that the fans want the entire road map, and I don't blame anyone for NOT publishing that. In fact, attempting to execute this type of negotiation in full public sight would be extremely counter productive and even damaging to the negotiations.

Could be you're right, but let's look at another case.

ECU wanted to go to the BE (mainly because of AQ) when the BE stated they were going to pick of teams they sent a letter that had already been prepared the same day and fully announced in the 'press" they were going after it. They didn't get it at first so there wasn't any "behind closed doors" stuff going on. But they made what they wanted known to the fans and the rest of the world. It was also a very bold and "let's put it on the line" move. Later when the BE decided to add more teams ECU was the first one picked.

Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not...but IMHO a bold, risky move by a "go getter".

Now compare that to our "desire" to be in CUSA. Chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp!

Meanwhile UNCC dances into CUSA even without a football team. What did we hear from the Admin...chirp, chirp, chirp. Then a letter posted on the web site, saying "oops, we didn't get an invite to the CUSA (that no one even knew we were going after), because of Media Markets and all this stuff we didn't have control of. (I'm not saying that MM wasn't the real reason, but no "manning" up at all)

And on top of that CC tries to burn the SBC bridge behind him. (If he didn't make the dumbest statement I've ever heard a professional make, I don't know what is)

Now let's move to the current. If there is any future for us, at this time, it's with the SB. GSU sees it the same way and does what ... makes a video, inform fans, in affect telling the world (sound familiar) they want to move up to the SB.

What do we hear from our Admin...Chirp, Chirp, Chirp.

Now I don't want to burst anyone bubble, but if there was anything going on "behind closed doors" we'd be in CUSA today. So my (I'm sure unwanted) advice to the Admin...crawl like a little baby on your hands and knees to the SB presidents, offer them anything they want (including your first born) and make sure we get a FBS conference. But instead what do we hear.....

Chirp, chirp, chirp

After the coach moore fiasco I have lost all confidence in CC. Telling a coach this is last year isn't a complicated problem, yes it can be hard to do, but there should be no misunderstanding.

Given that Moore didn't have any "final season" send off or any recondition from the School his last year, tells me that it was only known the the school. (Think of the support/news it would have created)

Instead this is what we heard about Coach Moore's retirement last year, chirp, chirp, chirp.

Then when we do hear something what is it, statements like, it's was a misunderstanding, we thought he knew, maybe we wasn't clear,etc. I don't know about other people but every time I was let go I knew it. When they said "this will be your last week, I knew what week it was".


If my professional life this is the pattern of someone that doesn't see past 5 o'clock in the afternoon and is just trying to cover up the best they can. Don't we anything out the door or in the press. Another sign, good coaches leaving to lateral positions. (i.e Peterson).

I don't know much about Peacock, but I love how he seems to love the team. I'm proud to call him "Our Chancellor. I would hope that he doesn't have to get that much into the details because that's what we pay a DA for. I don't know CC either and I may have things all wrong, but I just call them as "I" see them. I see what other schools do and what seems to work and I see what we've done at APP that seems to be a mess so far.

My bottom line... if we get in the SB or anywhere it will be due "mostly" to the success of our sports teams and not any great negotiation skills. Again if "out of the public view" were so important we would be in CUSA.

After all of that grinding, your axe should be quite sharp. Nice manifesto.

I'm looking forward to App State getting a Sun Belt invite, and reading your posts about it. Chirp, chirp, chirp...

hapapp killed it in this thread.

[Maddog1956]

After all of that grinding, your axe should be quite sharp. Nice manifesto.

I'm looking forward to App State getting a Sun Belt invite, and reading your posts about it. Chirp, chirp, chirp...

hapapp killed it in this thread.

I'll be glad if we do get in the SB, not because the SB is that great but because I don't want for APP to have to play Samford, UNCG, Elon, etc forever. Even worst I'd hate for them to "outgrow" the conference and move up before us.

If we do get accepted by the SB (and by everything I read, we should) I imagine we'll hear about all the work that the AD put into it etc, and maybe rightfully so. And I'll give them congrats on here like everyone else, whether as some say it doesn't matters what they do. As a matter of fact, I might give them more credit because I think what they do means a great deal as to where we end up.

Currently, however, I don't see it and I don't see that being more public has hurt other schools so I don't know why we operated in the dark.

BTW, I know my post can get rather long but I don't apologize for that. Really I tend to make them longer to keep the lazy from reading them and giving a stupid reply. That doesn't always work because sometime they have to reply and say they didn't read it, but it's about the best I can do.

[appbio91]

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Damn, that's got me fired up about GA Southern and I hate their butts! I especially love their AD's answer to the "Big Fish in a Small Pond" mentality: "that pond may be drying up and the big fish are the first to die."

Tell you what, we as a university had better take this seriously, or they might just leave us behind. I don't mean in fcs, but as a relevant university as a whole. They sound serious about becoming a significant national research institution and I have to hand it to them for setting the bar high and going after it. Also about being high profile about it.

I think we play things way too close to the vest.This is the one area I think we can take a lesson from those guys.

They framed the argument exactly as it should have been. This is not about football! This about GaSo becoming a nationally recognized research institute. Football is a way to raise public awareness of who GaSo University is and put them on a national stage rather than the regional stage they currently operate on. I am impressed.

[ASUMountaineer]

After all of that grinding, your axe should be quite sharp. Nice manifesto.

I'm looking forward to App State getting a Sun Belt invite, and reading your posts about it. Chirp, chirp, chirp...

hapapp killed it in this thread.

I'll be glad if we do get in the SB, not because the SB is that great but because I don't want for APP to have to play Samford, UNCG, Elon, etc forever. Even worst I'd hate for them to "outgrow" the conference and move up before us.

If we do get accepted by the SB (and by everything I read, we should) I imagine we'll hear about all the work that the AD put into it etc, and maybe rightfully so. And I'll give them congrats on here like everyone else, whether as some say it doesn't matters what they do. As a matter of fact, I might give them more credit because I think what they do means a great deal as to where we end up.

Currently, however, I don't see it and I don't see that being more public has hurt other schools so I don't know why we operated in the dark.

BTW, I know my post can get rather long but I don't apologize for that. Really I tend to make them longer to keep the lazy from reading them and giving a stupid reply. That doesn't always work because sometime they have to reply and say they didn't read it, but it's about the best I can do.

I think we're all a little frustrated that we don't know more, but overall I'm ok with that. To me, while the video that GSU produced is nice, it's not exactly breaking news. They've already been very public about wanting to go FBS, as has App State. The GSU video, to me, comes across part preaching to the choir and part desperation. If App State and GSU are invited and join at the same time, who's to say which philosophy was most effective?

App State has made its intentions known for two years. I don't think we need to be as open about it, because we probably are confident on where we're going to end up (my estimate). Jacksonville State beat both us and GSU to the punch in declaring their desire to go FBS, and have been very public about it. They appear to be at the bottom of the SBC's list.

I still trust App State's administration to make the decision that is in App's best interest. We all don't know everything, so anything you and I can guess about the process or "what's being done behind closed doors" is nothing but speculation. I think we owe the administration the benefit of the doubt. If we ultimately fail at gaining an invite to an FBS conference, then it will be time to break out the axe.

[Maddog1956]

Is this in the cards for us since there are so many more big schools in North Carolina than Georgia? I've always thought we would benefit from reclassifying and abandoning the small-time regional university status, but I always assumed it wasn't in the cards because of the Great Evil (the UNC System Board of Governors with the Tar Heel marionette ).

It was always said before that our infrastructure/location/population was too much of an obstacle to overcome, however so much has changed since then.

The roads are much better getting there (321 & 421), Wilkesboro airport is still a class G but the runway is 6200' and it isn't too far away.

The best change as I see it however is the Internet and electronic communications. With video etc, some things that use to be negatives are non-issues now. I think that puts us on a more level playing field.

I do think we'd have good distance education, but would need to pick up our online degree program.

I think research would require more focus in the Medical/BioMed fields.

We do lead in some "Green" programs that have received a lot of attention so, we need to build on this.

With the number of students that App now, I think it's not crazy to think about moving more in that direction.

[Eagle22]

After all of that grinding, your axe should be quite sharp. Nice manifesto.

I'm looking forward to App State getting a Sun Belt invite, and reading your posts about it. Chirp, chirp, chirp...

hapapp killed it in this thread.

I'll be glad if we do get in the SB, not because the SB is that great but because I don't want for APP to have to play Samford, UNCG, Elon, etc forever. Even worst I'd hate for them to "outgrow" the conference and move up before us.

If we do get accepted by the SB (and by everything I read, we should) I imagine we'll hear about all the work that the AD put into it etc, and maybe rightfully so. And I'll give them congrats on here like everyone else, whether as some say it doesn't matters what they do. As a matter of fact, I might give them more credit because I think what they do means a great deal as to where we end up.

Currently, however, I don't see it and I don't see that being more public has hurt other schools so I don't know why we operated in the dark.

BTW, I know my post can get rather long but I don't apologize for that. Really I tend to make them longer to keep the lazy from reading them and giving a stupid reply. That doesn't always work because sometime they have to reply and say they didn't read it, but it's about the best I can do.

I think we're all a little frustrated that we don't know more, but overall I'm ok with that. To me, while the video that GSU produced is nice, it's not exactly breaking news. They've already been very public about wanting to go FBS, as has App State. The GSU video, to me, comes across part preaching to the choir and part desperation. If App State and GSU are invited and join at the same time, who's to say which philosophy was most effective?

App State has made its intentions known for two years. I don't think we need to be as open about it, because we probably are confident on where we're going to end up (my estimate). Jacksonville State beat both us and GSU to the punch in declaring their desire to go FBS, and have been very public about it. They appear to be at the bottom of the SBC's list.

I still trust App State's administration to make the decision that is in App's best interest. We all don't know everything, so anything you and I can guess about the process or "what's being done behind closed doors" is nothing but speculation. I think we owe the administration the benefit of the doubt. If we ultimately fail at gaining an invite to an FBS conference, then it will be time to break out the axe.

If your assertion is correct, it was 99% choir, 1% desperation.

I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion that ASU is confident where it will end up. I personally believe that the way this plays out will underscore why the respective universities played it the way they did. In ASU's case, public pursuit of CUSA resulted in a little bit of egg on the face (and some lessons learned) and in GSU's case a decade of bad-mouthing the SunBelt by the previous administration ... meant we had to launch a new approach that not only soothed some open wounds but demonstrated a genuine interest. In GSU's case, that is a difficult balancing act knowing that the entire realignment process is unfolding at the same time. ASU learned from their dalliance with CUSA, plus has been able to gauge the shifting tides to understand the quick shift from market size back to regional convenience. GSU never had to really consider CUSA due to the improbable budgetary leap we would have to take.

[ASUMountaineer]

After all of that grinding, your axe should be quite sharp. Nice manifesto.

I'm looking forward to App State getting a Sun Belt invite, and reading your posts about it. Chirp, chirp, chirp...

hapapp killed it in this thread.

I'll be glad if we do get in the SB, not because the SB is that great but because I don't want for APP to have to play Samford, UNCG, Elon, etc forever. Even worst I'd hate for them to "outgrow" the conference and move up before us.

If we do get accepted by the SB (and by everything I read, we should) I imagine we'll hear about all the work that the AD put into it etc, and maybe rightfully so. And I'll give them congrats on here like everyone else, whether as some say it doesn't matters what they do. As a matter of fact, I might give them more credit because I think what they do means a great deal as to where we end up.

Currently, however, I don't see it and I don't see that being more public has hurt other schools so I don't know why we operated in the dark.

BTW, I know my post can get rather long but I don't apologize for that. Really I tend to make them longer to keep the lazy from reading them and giving a stupid reply. That doesn't always work because sometime they have to reply and say they didn't read it, but it's about the best I can do.

I think we're all a little frustrated that we don't know more, but overall I'm ok with that. To me, while the video that GSU produced is nice, it's not exactly breaking news. They've already been very public about wanting to go FBS, as has App State. The GSU video, to me, comes across part preaching to the choir and part desperation. If App State and GSU are invited and join at the same time, who's to say which philosophy was most effective?

App State has made its intentions known for two years. I don't think we need to be as open about it, because we probably are confident on where we're going to end up (my estimate). Jacksonville State beat both us and GSU to the punch in declaring their desire to go FBS, and have been very public about it. They appear to be at the bottom of the SBC's list.

I still trust App State's administration to make the decision that is in App's best interest. We all don't know everything, so anything you and I can guess about the process or "what's being done behind closed doors" is nothing but speculation. I think we owe the administration the benefit of the doubt. If we ultimately fail at gaining an invite to an FBS conference, then it will be time to break out the axe.

If your assertion is correct, it was 99% choir, 1% desperation.

I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion that ASU is confident where it will end up. I personally believe that the way this plays out will underscore why the respective universities played it the way they did. In ASU's case, public pursuit of CUSA resulted in a little bit of egg on the face (and some lessons learned) and in GSU's case a decade of bad-mouthing the SunBelt by the previous administration ... meant we had to launch a new approach that not only soothed some open wounds but demonstrated a genuine interest. In GSU's case, that is a difficult balancing act knowing that the entire realignment process is unfolding at the same time. ASU learned from their dalliance with CUSA, plus has been able to gauge the shifting tides to understand the quick shift from market size back to regional convenience. GSU never had to really consider CUSA due to the improbable budgetary leap we would have to take.

Excellent post. "Desperation" was probably too harsh a term...more like "campaigning" to the SBC presidents. I do hope for an invite sooner rather than later, and that both App State and GSU get the call.

[Kgfish]

After the coach moore fiasco I have lost all confidence in CC. Telling a coach this is last year isn't a complicated problem, yes it can be hard to do, but there should be no misunderstanding.

Given that Moore didn't have any "final season" send off or any recondition from the School his last year, tells me that it was only known the the school. (Think of the support/news it would have created)

Instead this is what we heard about Coach Moore's retirement last year, chirp, chirp, chirp.

It was clear from the emails released by the school Coach Moore was the only one with a misunderstanding. I have spoken to people Coach Moore told a year ago 2012 was supposed to be his last year. Unfortunately he convinced himself if the team won the conference championship and made the playoffs the school would not enforce the agreement. A serious error in judgement. I'm no fan of Charlie, but in this situation Jerry Moore is the only one responsible for there not being a farewell tour.

[bcoach]

After the coach moore fiasco I have lost all confidence in CC. Telling a coach this is last year isn't a complicated problem, yes it can be hard to do, but there should be no misunderstanding.

Given that Moore didn't have any "final season" send off or any recondition from the School his last year, tells me that it was only known the the school. (Think of the support/news it would have created)

Instead this is what we heard about Coach Moore's retirement last year, chirp, chirp, chirp.

It was clear from the emails released by the school Coach Moore was the only one with a misunderstanding. I have spoken to people Coach Moore told a year ago 2012 was supposed to be his last year. Unfortunately he convinced himself if the team won the conference championship and made the playoffs the school would not enforce the agreement. A serious error in judgement. I'm no fan of Charlie, but in this situation Jerry Moore is the only one responsible for there not being a farewell tour.

He could not have convinced himself if it had been put in writing. Charlie is the administrator and it was his responsibility to put it in writing. It does not matter how you feel about coach. It does not matter what side of the fence you are on. It should have been put in writing. That places it in Charlies lap. Such an easy thing to do. I am not defending coach but I am telling you how any cabable manager would have done it. Nobody but Charlie and coach know the rest of the story. I wish this whole thing would go away and coach goes and retires in Florida. The only reason I respond is that there is one thing only that we are positive about. It was not put in writing and that was only one persons responsibility.

[Maddog1956]

It was clear from the emails released by the school Coach Moore was the only one with a misunderstanding. I have spoken to people Coach Moore told a year ago 2012 was supposed to be his last year. Unfortunately he convinced himself if the team won the conference championship and made the playoffs the school would not enforce the agreement. A serious error in judgement. I'm no fan of Charlie, but in this situation Jerry Moore is the only one responsible for there not being a farewell tour.

Could be don't know, but what I've read said Cobb offered a deal to Moore, Moore declined and Cobb went to speak to Peacock about it. After that everything I've read states that Cobb said this or that. I'm not saying it's true or not, but JM clearly said the opposite. CC Dec. 20, 2011 letter clearly states "thank you ... for reading and thinking about this"

Plus, where are all the emails, letters etc, between CC and JM about what's going to take place? A head coach retires after 24 years and there isn't any emails or letter about the handover of the program, JM's response, etc. Hard to believe! I didn't read the public records request but I would have asked for "anything to do with JM retirement".

Maybe I haven't seen everything and if there is more, I'll say I'm wrong. If you can put me on to a link that clearly has JM answering CC's "your fired" email, or anything in which JM states that he understands the situation, I would really like to read it. I would like to think better of our AD, then where I'm at now. Because the people I've talked to said that JM told them he had another year.

Any time I hear "we sat down together", but there isn't anything written, I tend to disbelieve the person making the statement.

And I understand that you may have seen more or you're satisfied. I'm just not in the same place.

[appst89]

Nothing more needed to be put in writing. 2012 was the last year of a contract both parties had agreed to.

[MountainMan]

I don't see anything to be gained from one more rehash of this situation.

My hope is that by the time fall rolls around, feelings and tempers and misunderstandings will be brushed aside and ASU can honor Coach Moore in a way that he deserves. I hope Charlie is big enough to want to do it. I hope Coach Moore is big enough to want to participate in it. I think the fan base wants to see it done, regardless of how things played out at the end of last season.

[WataugaMan]

Nothing more needed to be put in writing. 2012 was the last year of a contract both parties had agreed to.

Therefore, there was an understanding and it was put in writing.

[appbio91]

I think it needed to be in writing. No you are a fool it was the last year of his contract so no need. I think he should have had a victory lap. No you are a fool he did not want a victory lap. I think Cobb lied. No you are a fool Moore is senile and just forgot. He deserved better. You are a fool he was offered a six figure ambassador position. He deserved better. He was given better than he deserved given what he put us through with his his idiot son and the committee and all.
Ok, there is a summary of everything that is to follow if we keep going.

[ASU-FTW]

[AppAttack]

Ummm... It was put in writing. It was expressed verbally. There was no misunderstanding. It was crystal clear to everyone. This is about the competitor in Jerry Moore that wanted to keep coaching no matter what had transpired previously. No more, no less. Let's please move on.

[Saint3333]

The leaders in the athletic department would love to honor Coach I have no doubt about that, what he will do is uncertain.

[Eagle22]

I disagree with communicating to the fans. That can hurt in negotiations, it is called showing your hand in poker.

As usual hap nailed it.

Unless you are past the point of negotiations. I think the term is "foreshadowing"