Biff Is Gone

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Re: Biff Is Gone

Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:27 am

Going 4-7 with back to back to back losses to peers/rivals isn't going to lend itself to the emotion needed to counter an objective view of declining production.

Back to back wins to make a bowl game provides the emotion necessary to bring him back.

It may be just that simple.

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Re: Biff Is Gone

Unread post by t4pizza » Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:29 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:27 am
Going 4-7 with back to back to back losses to peers/rivals isn't going to lend itself to the emotion needed to counter an objective view of declining production.

Back to back wins to make a bowl game provides the emotion necessary to bring him back.

It may be just that simple.
You're points are reasonable and valid but I would be more than a little concerned if the decision makers are basing their decision on the final 2 games of the season. There is more than enough criteria to make a decision without these last 2 games performance being a deciding factor, regardless of the outcome. My position is that nothing will happen simply because we have an interim chancellor. But, if something is going to happen, these last 2 games should not be the deciding factor in my opinion.

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Re: Biff Is Gone

Unread post by ah59396 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:46 pm

I don’t think Shawn Clark is the answer to our future, but comparing our situation to Charlotte’s is a bit silly. Clark is a consummate professional and great ambassador of our university. Even in our blowouts I haven’t been embarrassed having him at the helm.

Poggi is a circus act that only deeply unserious programs like Charlotte would ever consider hiring. I give them absolutely no credit for firing a guy that should never have been hired in the first place.
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Re: Biff Is Gone

Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:51 pm

t4pizza wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:29 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:27 am
Going 4-7 with back to back to back losses to peers/rivals isn't going to lend itself to the emotion needed to counter an objective view of declining production.

Back to back wins to make a bowl game provides the emotion necessary to bring him back.

It may be just that simple.
You're points are reasonable and valid but I would be more than a little concerned if the decision makers are basing their decision on the final 2 games of the season. There is more than enough criteria to make a decision without these last 2 games performance being a deciding factor, regardless of the outcome. My position is that nothing will happen simply because we have an interim chancellor. But, if something is going to happen, these last 2 games should not be the deciding factor in my opinion.
That is fair and a reasonable statement that the resume to date is enough to make a decision. However human nature and recency theory will play a role in what will be an emotional decision for some.

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Re: Biff Is Gone

Unread post by asumba95 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:15 pm

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Re: Biff Is Gone

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:32 pm

t4pizza wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:29 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:27 am
Going 4-7 with back to back to back losses to peers/rivals isn't going to lend itself to the emotion needed to counter an objective view of declining production.

Back to back wins to make a bowl game provides the emotion necessary to bring him back.

It may be just that simple.
You're points are reasonable and valid but I would be more than a little concerned if the decision makers are basing their decision on the final 2 games of the season. There is more than enough criteria to make a decision without these last 2 games performance being a deciding factor, regardless of the outcome. My position is that nothing will happen simply because we have an interim chancellor. But, if something is going to happen, these last 2 games should not be the deciding factor in my opinion.
Adding that emotions should not fuel any part of the decision-making process.

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Re: Biff Is Gone

Unread post by Bootsy » Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:43 pm

ah59396 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:46 pm
I don’t think Shawn Clark is the answer to our future, but comparing our situation to Charlotte’s is a bit silly. Clark is a consummate professional and great ambassador of our university. Even in our blowouts I haven’t been embarrassed having him at the helm.

Poggi is a circus act that only deeply unserious programs like Charlotte would ever consider hiring. I give them absolutely no credit for firing a guy that should never have been hired in the first place.
After the first time I saw Poggi in that cutoff sweatshirt, I was concerned. After his first few press conferences, I knew no one would take him seriously.

Belichick could get away with bad fashion and being a d*ck to the press because he won a bunch of Super Bowls. Poggi just showed up and expected his "celebrity" to generate buzz for the team.

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Re: Biff Is Gone

Unread post by ah59396 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:48 pm

Bootsy wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:43 pm
ah59396 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:46 pm
I don’t think Shawn Clark is the answer to our future, but comparing our situation to Charlotte’s is a bit silly. Clark is a consummate professional and great ambassador of our university. Even in our blowouts I haven’t been embarrassed having him at the helm.

Poggi is a circus act that only deeply unserious programs like Charlotte would ever consider hiring. I give them absolutely no credit for firing a guy that should never have been hired in the first place.
After the first time I saw Poggi in that cutoff sweatshirt, I was concerned. After his first few press conferences, I knew no one would take him seriously.

Belichick could get away with bad fashion and being a d*ck to the press because he won a bunch of Super Bowls. Poggi just showed up and expected his "celebrity" to generate buzz for the team.
Right. If you win, you can be as quirky as you want. If you lose, you just look like a fool.
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Unread post by T-Dog » Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:16 pm

That's not a "for the love of the players" thing. It's a stunt in front of cameras. I don't doubt he loves the players, but if he was truly sincere, he would do this in the locker room away from the cameras.

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Unread post by Stonewall » Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:01 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:27 am
Going 4-7 with back to back to back losses to peers/rivals isn't going to lend itself to the emotion needed to counter an objective view of declining production.

Back to back wins to make a bowl game provides the emotion necessary to bring him back.

It may be just that simple.
It well might be just that.

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Re: Biff Is Gone

Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:15 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:32 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:29 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:27 am
Going 4-7 with back to back to back losses to peers/rivals isn't going to lend itself to the emotion needed to counter an objective view of declining production.

Back to back wins to make a bowl game provides the emotion necessary to bring him back.

It may be just that simple.
You're points are reasonable and valid but I would be more than a little concerned if the decision makers are basing their decision on the final 2 games of the season. There is more than enough criteria to make a decision without these last 2 games performance being a deciding factor, regardless of the outcome. My position is that nothing will happen simply because we have an interim chancellor. But, if something is going to happen, these last 2 games should not be the deciding factor in my opinion.
Adding that emotions should not fuel any part of the decision-making process.
This isn't a classroom or theory land. Emotions always fuel decisions, let's not be naive of how things work in the C-suite and Boardroom.

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Re: Biff Is Gone

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:10 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:15 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:32 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:29 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:27 am
Going 4-7 with back to back to back losses to peers/rivals isn't going to lend itself to the emotion needed to counter an objective view of declining production.

Back to back wins to make a bowl game provides the emotion necessary to bring him back.

It may be just that simple.
You're points are reasonable and valid but I would be more than a little concerned if the decision makers are basing their decision on the final 2 games of the season. There is more than enough criteria to make a decision without these last 2 games performance being a deciding factor, regardless of the outcome. My position is that nothing will happen simply because we have an interim chancellor. But, if something is going to happen, these last 2 games should not be the deciding factor in my opinion.
Adding that emotions should not fuel any part of the decision-making process.
This isn't a classroom or theory land. Emotions always fuel decisions, let's not be naive of how things work in the C-suite and Boardroom.
Decisions based on emotions are made by those playing checkers. These are chess moves.

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Unread post by Bootsy » Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:16 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:15 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:32 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:29 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:27 am
Going 4-7 with back to back to back losses to peers/rivals isn't going to lend itself to the emotion needed to counter an objective view of declining production.

Back to back wins to make a bowl game provides the emotion necessary to bring him back.

It may be just that simple.
You're points are reasonable and valid but I would be more than a little concerned if the decision makers are basing their decision on the final 2 games of the season. There is more than enough criteria to make a decision without these last 2 games performance being a deciding factor, regardless of the outcome. My position is that nothing will happen simply because we have an interim chancellor. But, if something is going to happen, these last 2 games should not be the deciding factor in my opinion.
Adding that emotions should not fuel any part of the decision-making process.
This isn't a classroom or theory land. Emotions always fuel decisions, let's not be naive of how things work in the C-suite and Boardroom.
Yes, it's more complex. Research in neuroscience and behavior theory demonstrates there's more nuance in decision making than previously believed. While logic prepares the brain to make decisions, emotions usually drive execution of the decision. Then the brain rationalizes/justifies said decisions using logic.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/jenni ... making.pdf
https://neurosciencenews.com/emotion-re ... ing-25803/

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Re: Biff Is Gone

Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:31 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:10 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:15 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:32 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:29 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:27 am
Going 4-7 with back to back to back losses to peers/rivals isn't going to lend itself to the emotion needed to counter an objective view of declining production.

Back to back wins to make a bowl game provides the emotion necessary to bring him back.

It may be just that simple.
You're points are reasonable and valid but I would be more than a little concerned if the decision makers are basing their decision on the final 2 games of the season. There is more than enough criteria to make a decision without these last 2 games performance being a deciding factor, regardless of the outcome. My position is that nothing will happen simply because we have an interim chancellor. But, if something is going to happen, these last 2 games should not be the deciding factor in my opinion.
Adding that emotions should not fuel any part of the decision-making process.
This isn't a classroom or theory land. Emotions always fuel decisions, let's not be naive of how things work in the C-suite and Boardroom.
Decisions based on emotions are made by those playing checkers. These are chess moves.
If you told me you were a professor in academia I'd believe it. This is the real world and emotions will play a part in this decision, I'd argue the emotional tie to a former and current Mountaineer has already come into play. If he weren't a Mountaineer the decision would have already been made and we would be running out the clock to 12/2.

If you'd like to use the chess analogy, we've already moved quite a bit of our back line and those moves didn't work, sometimes a queen sacrifice is the best play.

I'd be one the happiest App fans around if proven wrong. Still hope he wins these last two games, comes back to win the SBC next year, is extended and goes on to be the best FBS coach we've had.

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Unread post by 311neers » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:09 pm

Y’all remember Joe Cox?
Independence QB after Leak. Charlotte native.
Played at Georgia under Mike Bobo and followed him to Colorado State and South Carolina.

Charlotte is looking at him pretty heavily. That would be an extremely good get.

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Unread post by T-Dog » Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:49 pm

I also heard Alex Atkins will be a candidate for Charlotte.

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Re: Biff Is Gone

Unread post by Rick83 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:57 pm

COACHING CAROUSEL: Skip Holtz, Steve Wilks potential candidates for Charlotte opening to replace Biff Poggi

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sport ... sOWLjlRUOg

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Unread post by Bootsy » Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:56 pm

Let me be the first to say I'd be surprised if Holtz took the job. Given what he's accomplished down in Birmingham, I can more easily see him looking for a jump to the NFL than coming back to the mess known as college football.

Re: Wilks, it was interesting he wasn't snapped up by another NFL squad after his performance as DC for the (real) 49ers. He did make some questionable playcalls, but mostly got a raw deal from Shanahan who made him the sacrificial lamb after SF pooped the bed in the SB last year.

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Unread post by Tru2ASU » Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:22 pm

Bootsy wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:56 pm
Let me be the first to say I'd be surprised if Holtz took the job. Given what he's accomplished down in Birmingham, I can more easily see him looking for a jump to the NFL than coming back to the mess known as college football.

Re: Wilks, it was interesting he wasn't snapped up by another NFL squad after his performance as DC for the (real) 49ers. He did make some questionable playcalls, but mostly got a raw deal from Shanahan who made him the sacrificial lamb after SF pooped the bed in the SB last year.
A recent interview with Holtz suggested he had no desire to deal with college football how it currently is.

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