PAC-12 melt down

[BambooRdApp]

Maybe they will, but not seeing the 4 staying in what is left of PAC. The above graphic is intriguing and actually good for the existing MWC/AAC if basically combined into a single super conference. It is a lower level idea of what SEC is trying to do.
With that said, has to be difficult for Org St and Wash St... moving from a P5 to something less...but they will need to go somewhere in this musical chairs game that is going on.

[AtlAppMan]

Here is a question.

I don't see any scenario where the remaining Pac-4 or Pac-2 with additional G5 schools can claim P5 status. The fifth power conference is gone, no longer exists. They can call themselves Pac-X but any scenario where AAC/MWC reconfigure with the Pac leftovers is still a glorified AAC/MWC G5 league. It doesn't matter what they name it, the teams left that are available to whatever TV entity would carry them is only slightly better than the current AAC/MWC model. The previous Pac-12 couldn't even get a better deal so I cannot see any TV deal changing much with a bunch of G5s.

The other Power Conferences will not recognize them as a "Power Conference" nor will the TV negotiations recognize their value any more than the current AAC/MWC values.

[AppStFan1]

Here is a question.

I don't see any scenario where the remaining Pac-4 or Pac-2 with additional G5 schools can claim P5 status. The fifth power conference is gone, no longer exists. They can call themselves Pac-X but any scenario where AAC/MWC reconfigure with the Pac leftovers is still a glorified AAC/MWC G5 league. It doesn't matter what they name it, the teams left that are available to whatever TV entity would carry them is only slightly better than the current AAC/MWC model. The previous Pac-12 couldn't even get a better deal so I cannot see any TV deal changing much with a bunch of G5s.

The other Power Conferences will not recognize them as a "Power Conference" nor will the TV negotiations recognize their value any more than the current AAC/MWC values.

That is very true. I wonder if the P4 teams would pull up a 5th league that formed from the very best SBC, MWC, AAC, CUSA teams, and WSU/OSU left for a 16-team league that broke away from the current conferences.

I am wondering if the P4 breakaway or becomes a P3 if we see a situation where they really deliver a death blow and raise the limit to 100 scholarships for those teams?

[biggie]

Here is a question.

I don't see any scenario where the remaining Pac-4 or Pac-2 with additional G5 schools can claim P5 status. The fifth power conference is gone, no longer exists. They can call themselves Pac-X but any scenario where AAC/MWC reconfigure with the Pac leftovers is still a glorified AAC/MWC G5 league. It doesn't matter what they name it, the teams left that are available to whatever TV entity would carry them is only slightly better than the current AAC/MWC model. The previous Pac-12 couldn't even get a better deal so I cannot see any TV deal changing much with a bunch of G5s.

The other Power Conferences will not recognize them as a "Power Conference" nor will the TV negotiations recognize their value any more than the current AAC/MWC values.

That is very true. I wonder if the P4 teams would pull up a 5th league that formed from the very best SBC, MWC, AAC, CUSA teams, and WSU/OSU left for a 16-team league that broke away from the current conferences.

I am wondering if the P4 breakaway or becomes a P3 if we see a situation where they really deliver a death blow and raise the limit to 100 scholarships for those teams?

Hard to see that be set up quickly with the budgets for those teams needing to skyrocket very quickly. Would have to be some big money deals in place before formation of that new conference it seems.

[AppStFan1]

Here is a question.

I don't see any scenario where the remaining Pac-4 or Pac-2 with additional G5 schools can claim P5 status. The fifth power conference is gone, no longer exists. They can call themselves Pac-X but any scenario where AAC/MWC reconfigure with the Pac leftovers is still a glorified AAC/MWC G5 league. It doesn't matter what they name it, the teams left that are available to whatever TV entity would carry them is only slightly better than the current AAC/MWC model. The previous Pac-12 couldn't even get a better deal so I cannot see any TV deal changing much with a bunch of G5s.

The other Power Conferences will not recognize them as a "Power Conference" nor will the TV negotiations recognize their value any more than the current AAC/MWC values.

That is very true. I wonder if the P4 teams would pull up a 5th league that formed from the very best SBC, MWC, AAC, CUSA teams, and WSU/OSU left for a 16-team league that broke away from the current conferences.

I am wondering if the P4 breakaway or becomes a P3 if we see a situation where they really deliver a death blow and raise the limit to 100 scholarships for those teams?

Hard to see that be set up quickly with the budgets for those teams needing to skyrocket very quickly. Would have to be some big money deals in place before formation of that new conference it seems.

Agreed. It would have to be months in the works. I don’t see it happening.

[spacemonkey]

The P4s have nothing to do with it. It is if ESPN/CBS/NBC or Fox want a 5th league. I think the answer is no. I think all the Television networks have exactly what they want now.

Eventually it will settle in to how many people will pay to see a team but that may be 20 years from now. football may not be a big dollar producing sport/entertainment in the future.

[hapapp]

Apparently, NC State switched their vote and Stanford, Cal, and SMU will join the ACC.

[fjblair]

Apparently, NC State switched their vote and Stanford, Cal, and SMU will join the ACC.

The ACC jumped the shark like the rest. Just rename it whatever, but it is not the Atlantic Coast Conference.

[appst89]

Apparently, NC State switched their vote and Stanford, Cal, and SMU will join the ACC.

The ACC jumped the shark like the rest. Just rename it whatever, but it is not the Atlantic Coast Conference.

All Coast Conference.

[AtlAppMan]

What the ACC did is pathetic.

IF Stanford and Cal were on the east coast they are a no brainer, but not 3,000 miles away.
SMU has no business being in the ACC but they bought their way in. ACC whored themselves.

They took those three in so the existing members will take that money and fight each for who gets what like a bunch of greedy thieves. I grew up following the ACC, and at one point they were respectable, now this is just disgusting. Just wait until that money runs out and then they will be eating their own again. The underlying premise of that move will ultimate be their demise.

[MrCraig]

Apparently, NC State switched their vote and Stanford, Cal, and SMU will join the ACC.

The ACC jumped the shark like the rest. Just rename it whatever, but it is not the Atlantic Coast Conference.

All Coast Conference.

Call it the A&P and let the "discount conference" jokes commence!

[AppWyo]

If you take a look at the past say 100+ there were super conferences which all eventually fell apart. The Southern Conference was formed out of one of those super conferences and then the SEC and ACC was formed from the Southern Conference as well. The reason is because those conferences became too large to manage. The same will happen this time around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Conference

[AppStFan1]

If you take a look at the past say 100+ there were super conferences which all eventually fell apart. The Southern Conference was formed out of one of those super conferences and then the SEC and ACC was formed from the Southern Conference as well. The reason is because those conferences became too large to manage. The same will happen this time around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Conference

Agreed. The question is how long does it take? Think by 2035 these leagues regret these moves?

[Saint3333]

NC State knows a couple members may jump and don't want to dip below 15 members.

[spacemonkey]

NC State knows a couple members may jump and don't want to dip below 15 members.

Yes...NC State knows they are one move away from being out of the p2. They are hoping to stay m2 in the P2, M2, g4 model.

[fjblair]

Apparently, NC State switched their vote and Stanford, Cal, and SMU will join the ACC.

The ACC jumped the shark like the rest. Just rename it whatever, but it is not the Atlantic Coast Conference.

All Coast Conference.

Excellent!

[BayouApp]

Or "All Coast 'Cept One Conference" due to outlier SMU.

[Appst86]

Apparently, NC State switched their vote and Stanford, Cal, and SMU will join the ACC.

The ACC jumped the shark like the rest. Just rename it whatever, but it is not the Atlantic Coast Conference.

All Coast Conference.

Excellent!

The ACC became non-Atlantic and non-Coastal when they added Louisville, Pitt, and Notre Dame.

[AppWyo]

Next the ACC will extend an invite to West Virginia.

ECU is saying to the ACC, "Hey ACC we are in the American too, what about us?"

In further review, this vote may be more about destabilizing the ACC...

[appstate77]

So is App, but neither bring enough denero to the table. Nor does the ACC want more NC members.