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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by yosef69 » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:23 pm

For reference, tommy sofield is likely just as wealthy as moglia.

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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by hapapp » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:27 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:28 am
AppStateNews wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:13 am
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:09 am
t4pizza wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:55 am
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:18 am


No kidding, CCU was ready.
It is very impressive to see a school that identifies needs and plans for contingencies. My opinion is that all schools should always have a legit short list of potential replacements that are vetted prior to any job openings. Coastal just taught a class in how to replace a coach, meanwhile we are 16 days from early signing period with no DC in place.
It sure looks like they had a plan in place. Before we say they taught a class, let’s see how the hire works out. But I agree, we needed a plan in place. Starting to look like maybe we didn’t have one.
We have a plan in place and are executing it. We just don't allow one donor to make all the decisions like at Coastal.
I’m fine with the new hires taking some time. My only real point is that CCU looked ready. One in the chamber with hammer pulled back ready.
They also had a coach that was rumored to leave over the last couple of seasons, it was inevitable that he would.

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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by AppStateNews » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:33 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:20 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:15 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:13 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:02 pm
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Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:28 am


I’m fine with the new hires taking some time. My only real point is that CCU looked ready. One in the chamber with hammer pulled back ready.
Again, that's easy to do when you let a billionaire make the decisions for you. There wasn't a formal search, interview process, etc. It was Moglia saying we are hiring Beck and the AD saying ok, cool.
I have a question, why didn’t the billionaire just pay Chadwell?
Not sure. My guess is because Chadwell knows the sanctions are incoming so he wants out now. Money was only part of the thought process.
If the “sanctions” are coming why would the billionaire get his friend involved? If his friend is the next head coach he will be the one paying the price.
Guess you didn't see the part that says Chadwell knows the sanctions are coming? Mogila is not involved in those. Neither is Beck.

As far as when they are coming, I don't know. There's a chance they don't. But, I am strictly going off Chadwell's history. He's done the same thing at three schools now -- took a lateral (or lower) job and sanctions came shortly after.

Started at North Greenville. Turned them around. Took less money to go to Delta State. Magically, North Greenville has sanctions against them. Spends one year at Delta State and gets hired by Charleston Southern (his only move up in terms of team, not money, in his career). Wildly, a couple years later Delta State has sanctions against them for findings during the 2012 season.

At Charleston Southern -- his players get busted for using scholarship money at a campus book store or something. Something very minimal. Not really an issue but required players to be suspended for a game. Then, it comes out some of those players using scholarship money weren't even enrolled in the school. Weirdly, Chadwell takes a lower paying job to become the OC at conference member Coastal under Moglia.

Now, he's taking what most perceive as a lateral job (money aside). Kind of coincidental, right? Maybe he's finally learned and no sanctions are forthcoming, but I highly doubt it.

It's no secret Moglia controls the football program personnel in Conway.
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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:39 pm

AppStateNews wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:33 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:20 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:15 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:13 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:02 pm


Again, that's easy to do when you let a billionaire make the decisions for you. There wasn't a formal search, interview process, etc. It was Moglia saying we are hiring Beck and the AD saying ok, cool.
I have a question, why didn’t the billionaire just pay Chadwell?
Not sure. My guess is because Chadwell knows the sanctions are incoming so he wants out now. Money was only part of the thought process.
If the “sanctions” are coming why would the billionaire get his friend involved? If his friend is the next head coach he will be the one paying the price.
Guess you didn't see the part that says Chadwell knows the sanctions are coming? Mogila is not involved in those. Neither is Beck.

As far as when they are coming, I don't know. There's a chance they don't. But, I am strictly going off Chadwell's history. He's done the same thing at three schools now -- took a lateral (or lower) job and sanctions came shortly after.

Started at North Greenville. Turned them around. Took less money to go to Delta State. Magically, North Greenville has sanctions against them. Spends one year at Delta State and gets hired by Charleston Southern (his only move up in terms of team, not money, in his career). Wildly, a couple years later Delta State has sanctions against them for findings during the 2012 season.

At Charleston Southern -- his players get busted for using scholarship money at a campus book store or something. Something very minimal. Not really an issue but required players to be suspended for a game. Then, it comes out some of those players using scholarship money weren't even enrolled in the school. Weirdly, Chadwell takes a lower paying job to become the OC at conference member Coastal under Moglia.

Now, he's taking what most perceive as a lateral job (money aside). Kind of coincidental, right? Maybe he's finally learned and no sanctions are forthcoming, but I highly doubt it.

It's no secret Moglia controls the football program personnel in Conway.
So you see this but you don’t think this Moglia guy who controls CCU football and has millions of dollars doesn’t have this information?

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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by DenverOfTheEast » Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:59 pm

t4pizza wrote:
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Chadwell will have LU in that 12 team playoff before a Sun Belt school gets in. Liberty is a NATIONAL brand, Coastal, App and Sun Belt schools are regional brands, truth be told the Sun Belt is now like the SoCon of the 1990's all over again.
That's reason #2 to take that job.
1- Money, 2- National Brand and 3- Facilities
(private jets, charter flights, airport 2 mins from stadium, no restrictions on academics for portal kids, etc etc)

It's a P5 job with G5 stress and pressure.
Liberty is NOT a national sports brand at all. I do agree that they have the money to buy any NIL and provide great facilities but if they were the national brand that you propose, why is it that only the lowest of G5 conferences in CUSA offered them an invite? The school's reputation is as toxic to more people than it is appealing to, of course that just means that a LOT of people either love or hate them. Liberty is not only still a G5 job, it is a lowly G5 job at that. They can wish and pray and spend as much as they want, but it hasn't changed yet. No G5 conference wanted them until CUSA got so gutted that they had no choice and surely no P5 conference will be interested in them. They don't play squat for out of conference in the next few years and the CUSA is too weak to get any consideration for the 12 team playoff since it will go to the highest rated G5 conference champ. Sun Belt will have many representative before Liberty ever makes it.

Liberty is a national brand and here is how to prove it;

BYU largest moron university in America
Notre Dame largest catholic university in America
Liberty largest christian university in America

They (Liberty football) have the ability to recruit kids in all corners of the USA with a christian connection.

unfortunately - App, Coastal etc are more regional brands, regardless of

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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

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DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:59 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:06 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:34 am
Chadwell will have LU in that 12 team playoff before a Sun Belt school gets in. Liberty is a NATIONAL brand, Coastal, App and Sun Belt schools are regional brands, truth be told the Sun Belt is now like the SoCon of the 1990's all over again.
That's reason #2 to take that job.
1- Money, 2- National Brand and 3- Facilities
(private jets, charter flights, airport 2 mins from stadium, no restrictions on academics for portal kids, etc etc)

It's a P5 job with G5 stress and pressure.
Liberty is NOT a national sports brand at all. I do agree that they have the money to buy any NIL and provide great facilities but if they were the national brand that you propose, why is it that only the lowest of G5 conferences in CUSA offered them an invite? The school's reputation is as toxic to more people than it is appealing to, of course that just means that a LOT of people either love or hate them. Liberty is not only still a G5 job, it is a lowly G5 job at that. They can wish and pray and spend as much as they want, but it hasn't changed yet. No G5 conference wanted them until CUSA got so gutted that they had no choice and surely no P5 conference will be interested in them. They don't play squat for out of conference in the next few years and the CUSA is too weak to get any consideration for the 12 team playoff since it will go to the highest rated G5 conference champ. Sun Belt will have many representative before Liberty ever makes it.

Liberty is a national brand and here is how to prove it;

BYU largest moron university in America
Notre Dame largest catholic university in America
Liberty largest christian university in America

They (Liberty football) have the ability to recruit kids in all corners of the USA with a christian connection.

unfortunately - App, Coastal etc are more regional brands, regardless of
Freudian slip? (no offense meant to any Mormons)
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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

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yes. apologies for misspelled word --- too fast to hit submit, notice I didn't finish my sentence either. I'll take a message board break.

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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by Saint3333 » Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:16 pm

Liberty in 2022 is not a national brand. Look at the TV viewership.

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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

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"sanctions? - we don't need no stinking sanctions"
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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by yosef69 » Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:03 pm

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:59 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:06 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:34 am
Chadwell will have LU in that 12 team playoff before a Sun Belt school gets in. Liberty is a NATIONAL brand, Coastal, App and Sun Belt schools are regional brands, truth be told the Sun Belt is now like the SoCon of the 1990's all over again.
That's reason #2 to take that job.
1- Money, 2- National Brand and 3- Facilities
(private jets, charter flights, airport 2 mins from stadium, no restrictions on academics for portal kids, etc etc)

It's a P5 job with G5 stress and pressure.
Liberty is NOT a national sports brand at all. I do agree that they have the money to buy any NIL and provide great facilities but if they were the national brand that you propose, why is it that only the lowest of G5 conferences in CUSA offered them an invite? The school's reputation is as toxic to more people than it is appealing to, of course that just means that a LOT of people either love or hate them. Liberty is not only still a G5 job, it is a lowly G5 job at that. They can wish and pray and spend as much as they want, but it hasn't changed yet. No G5 conference wanted them until CUSA got so gutted that they had no choice and surely no P5 conference will be interested in them. They don't play squat for out of conference in the next few years and the CUSA is too weak to get any consideration for the 12 team playoff since it will go to the highest rated G5 conference champ. Sun Belt will have many representative before Liberty ever makes it.

Liberty is a national brand and here is how to prove it;

BYU largest moron university in America
Notre Dame largest catholic university in America
Liberty largest christian university in America

They (Liberty football) have the ability to recruit kids in all corners of the USA with a christian connection.

unfortunately - App, Coastal etc are more regional brands, regardless of
This has to be a liberty fan in an app jersey

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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by AppStateNews » Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:18 pm

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:59 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:06 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:34 am
Chadwell will have LU in that 12 team playoff before a Sun Belt school gets in. Liberty is a NATIONAL brand, Coastal, App and Sun Belt schools are regional brands, truth be told the Sun Belt is now like the SoCon of the 1990's all over again.
That's reason #2 to take that job.
1- Money, 2- National Brand and 3- Facilities
(private jets, charter flights, airport 2 mins from stadium, no restrictions on academics for portal kids, etc etc)

It's a P5 job with G5 stress and pressure.
Liberty is NOT a national sports brand at all. I do agree that they have the money to buy any NIL and provide great facilities but if they were the national brand that you propose, why is it that only the lowest of G5 conferences in CUSA offered them an invite? The school's reputation is as toxic to more people than it is appealing to, of course that just means that a LOT of people either love or hate them. Liberty is not only still a G5 job, it is a lowly G5 job at that. They can wish and pray and spend as much as they want, but it hasn't changed yet. No G5 conference wanted them until CUSA got so gutted that they had no choice and surely no P5 conference will be interested in them. They don't play squat for out of conference in the next few years and the CUSA is too weak to get any consideration for the 12 team playoff since it will go to the highest rated G5 conference champ. Sun Belt will have many representative before Liberty ever makes it.

Liberty is a national brand and here is how to prove it;

BYU largest moron university in America
Notre Dame largest catholic university in America
Liberty largest christian university in America

They (Liberty football) have the ability to recruit kids in all corners of the USA with a christian connection.

unfortunately - App, Coastal etc are more regional brands, regardless of
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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by appst89 » Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:37 pm

Please keep the politics out of this.

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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

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Please keep the politics out of this.
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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by t4pizza » Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:56 pm

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:59 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:06 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:34 am
Chadwell will have LU in that 12 team playoff before a Sun Belt school gets in. Liberty is a NATIONAL brand, Coastal, App and Sun Belt schools are regional brands, truth be told the Sun Belt is now like the SoCon of the 1990's all over again.
That's reason #2 to take that job.
1- Money, 2- National Brand and 3- Facilities
(private jets, charter flights, airport 2 mins from stadium, no restrictions on academics for portal kids, etc etc)

It's a P5 job with G5 stress and pressure.
Liberty is NOT a national sports brand at all. I do agree that they have the money to buy any NIL and provide great facilities but if they were the national brand that you propose, why is it that only the lowest of G5 conferences in CUSA offered them an invite? The school's reputation is as toxic to more people than it is appealing to, of course that just means that a LOT of people either love or hate them. Liberty is not only still a G5 job, it is a lowly G5 job at that. They can wish and pray and spend as much as they want, but it hasn't changed yet. No G5 conference wanted them until CUSA got so gutted that they had no choice and surely no P5 conference will be interested in them. They don't play squat for out of conference in the next few years and the CUSA is too weak to get any consideration for the 12 team playoff since it will go to the highest rated G5 conference champ. Sun Belt will have many representative before Liberty ever makes it.

Liberty is a national brand and here is how to prove it;

BYU largest moron university in America
Notre Dame largest catholic university in America
Liberty largest christian university in America

They (Liberty football) have the ability to recruit kids in all corners of the USA with a christian connection.

unfortunately - App, Coastal etc are more regional brands, regardless of
That doesn't make them a national college sports brand at all. Notre Dame has a rich history including national titles and heisman winners, so does BYU and none of those things has anything to do with the version of Christianity that those two schools represent. Until Liberty earns some legitimacy on the football field, they are not a national brand. I assure you, college football fans think nothing of Liberty. App is a far greater national football brand than LIberty is, that's just a fact.

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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by Boonegoon » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:18 pm

AppStateNews wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:18 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:59 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:06 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:34 am
Chadwell will have LU in that 12 team playoff before a Sun Belt school gets in. Liberty is a NATIONAL brand, Coastal, App and Sun Belt schools are regional brands, truth be told the Sun Belt is now like the SoCon of the 1990's all over again.
That's reason #2 to take that job.
1- Money, 2- National Brand and 3- Facilities
(private jets, charter flights, airport 2 mins from stadium, no restrictions on academics for portal kids, etc etc)

It's a P5 job with G5 stress and pressure.
Liberty is NOT a national sports brand at all. I do agree that they have the money to buy any NIL and provide great facilities but if they were the national brand that you propose, why is it that only the lowest of G5 conferences in CUSA offered them an invite? The school's reputation is as toxic to more people than it is appealing to, of course that just means that a LOT of people either love or hate them. Liberty is not only still a G5 job, it is a lowly G5 job at that. They can wish and pray and spend as much as they want, but it hasn't changed yet. No G5 conference wanted them until CUSA got so gutted that they had no choice and surely no P5 conference will be interested in them. They don't play squat for out of conference in the next few years and the CUSA is too weak to get any consideration for the 12 team playoff since it will go to the highest rated G5 conference champ. Sun Belt will have many representative before Liberty ever makes it.

Liberty is a national brand and here is how to prove it;

BYU largest moron university in America
Notre Dame largest catholic university in America
Liberty largest christian university in America

They (Liberty football) have the ability to recruit kids in all corners of the USA with a christian connection.

unfortunately - App, Coastal etc are more regional brands, regardless of
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Can we at least say largest “evangelical “ university? Not a brand of any sort

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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by MrCraig » Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:58 am

Boonegoon wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:18 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:18 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:59 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:06 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:34 am
Chadwell will have LU in that 12 team playoff before a Sun Belt school gets in. Liberty is a NATIONAL brand, Coastal, App and Sun Belt schools are regional brands, truth be told the Sun Belt is now like the SoCon of the 1990's all over again.
That's reason #2 to take that job.
1- Money, 2- National Brand and 3- Facilities
(private jets, charter flights, airport 2 mins from stadium, no restrictions on academics for portal kids, etc etc)

It's a P5 job with G5 stress and pressure.
Liberty is NOT a national sports brand at all. I do agree that they have the money to buy any NIL and provide great facilities but if they were the national brand that you propose, why is it that only the lowest of G5 conferences in CUSA offered them an invite? The school's reputation is as toxic to more people than it is appealing to, of course that just means that a LOT of people either love or hate them. Liberty is not only still a G5 job, it is a lowly G5 job at that. They can wish and pray and spend as much as they want, but it hasn't changed yet. No G5 conference wanted them until CUSA got so gutted that they had no choice and surely no P5 conference will be interested in them. They don't play squat for out of conference in the next few years and the CUSA is too weak to get any consideration for the 12 team playoff since it will go to the highest rated G5 conference champ. Sun Belt will have many representative before Liberty ever makes it.

Liberty is a national brand and here is how to prove it;

BYU largest moron university in America
Notre Dame largest catholic university in America
Liberty largest christian university in America

They (Liberty football) have the ability to recruit kids in all corners of the USA with a christian connection.

unfortunately - App, Coastal etc are more regional brands, regardless of
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Can we at least say largest “evangelical “ university? Not a brand of any sort
I was about to point that out, but didn't want to seem too pedantic. Catholics are Christians. Liberty is the "largest" protestant evangelical Christian university. However, that's a bit of a stretch too. Liberty claims over 100,000 students, but most of those are online students who may never set foot on campus. According to the Liberty website, they only have 15,800 on-campus students. Baylor has a bigger on-campus enrollment, and they are Baptist affiliated. Like most everything else related to Liberty, their enrollment numbers are at best a half-truth and/or an exaggeration.

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Re: Liberty / Chadwell

Unread post by VNova » Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:06 pm

Boonegoon wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:18 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:18 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:59 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:06 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:34 am
Chadwell will have LU in that 12 team playoff before a Sun Belt school gets in. Liberty is a NATIONAL brand, Coastal, App and Sun Belt schools are regional brands, truth be told the Sun Belt is now like the SoCon of the 1990's all over again.
That's reason #2 to take that job.
1- Money, 2- National Brand and 3- Facilities
(private jets, charter flights, airport 2 mins from stadium, no restrictions on academics for portal kids, etc etc)

It's a P5 job with G5 stress and pressure.
Liberty is NOT a national sports brand at all. I do agree that they have the money to buy any NIL and provide great facilities but if they were the national brand that you propose, why is it that only the lowest of G5 conferences in CUSA offered them an invite? The school's reputation is as toxic to more people than it is appealing to, of course that just means that a LOT of people either love or hate them. Liberty is not only still a G5 job, it is a lowly G5 job at that. They can wish and pray and spend as much as they want, but it hasn't changed yet. No G5 conference wanted them until CUSA got so gutted that they had no choice and surely no P5 conference will be interested in them. They don't play squat for out of conference in the next few years and the CUSA is too weak to get any consideration for the 12 team playoff since it will go to the highest rated G5 conference champ. Sun Belt will have many representative before Liberty ever makes it.

Liberty is a national brand and here is how to prove it;

BYU largest moron university in America
Notre Dame largest catholic university in America
Liberty largest christian university in America

They (Liberty football) have the ability to recruit kids in all corners of the USA with a christian connection.

unfortunately - App, Coastal etc are more regional brands, regardless of
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Second largest Christian University is pretty easy when online enrollment has no standards and they easily target those relying on the GI Bill, Pell Grants, and Federal Loans. They operate more like Grand Canyon University (#1 Christian University) than like BYU or ND.

Agree that they're not a "brand" in football. Most people know about Liberty because of all the scandals, not because of athletics.

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