NC State and it's blue-collared persona seems more in line with the SEC schools than UNC or Virginia.
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I've been called a closet Duke fan, but the chances of Duke getting into, or wanting to, or being accepted into the Big Ten is less than me winning the Power Ball lottery. And that ain't happening because I don't waste my money on the tickets.bcoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:20 pmActually I see them leaving but not only them. I see Clemson and Fla State going to SEC. I see unc, Virginia, and Duke going to Big 10 maybe Miami also. Not sure NCSU or VT will be invited to either one. Maybe NCSU for TV market but not feeling it. Not sure anyone else in ACC will get the invite. I think the ACC is in a little trouble.kornegaylw wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:23 pmI agree with you...Why the SEC wants UNC & Virginia is strange...NCSU & VT seem like better options for football.
I get that UNC is a national brand....but they just don't seem like a fit in the SEC
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UNC-Chapel Hell would be one of the doormats in the SEC football standings. Hell, they do good just staying out of the cellar in ACC football at least pre-Mack Brown.hotrod2001 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:41 pmNC State and it's blue-collared persona seems more in line with the SEC schools than UNC or Virginia.
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I'm sure in their minds (UNC) the SEC is "below them"
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Somebody must have bought you a ticket.NewApp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:43 pmI've been called a closet Duke fan, but the chances of Duke getting into, or wanting to, or being accepted into the Big Ten is less than me winning the Power Ball lottery. And that ain't happening because I don't waste my money on the tickets.bcoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:20 pmActually I see them leaving but not only them. I see Clemson and Fla State going to SEC. I see unc, Virginia, and Duke going to Big 10 maybe Miami also. Not sure NCSU or VT will be invited to either one. Maybe NCSU for TV market but not feeling it. Not sure anyone else in ACC will get the invite. I think the ACC is in a little trouble.kornegaylw wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:23 pmI agree with you...Why the SEC wants UNC & Virginia is strange...NCSU & VT seem like better options for football.
I get that UNC is a national brand....but they just don't seem like a fit in the SEC
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Hey! You recycled my line. Except I’ll occasionally throw a few bucks at the jackpot.NewApp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:43 pmI've been called a closet Duke fan, but the chances of Duke getting into, or wanting to, or being accepted into the Big Ten is less than me winning the Power Ball lottery. And that ain't happening because I don't waste my money on the tickets.bcoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:20 pmActually I see them leaving but not only them. I see Clemson and Fla State going to SEC. I see unc, Virginia, and Duke going to Big 10 maybe Miami also. Not sure NCSU or VT will be invited to either one. Maybe NCSU for TV market but not feeling it. Not sure anyone else in ACC will get the invite. I think the ACC is in a little trouble.kornegaylw wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:23 pmI agree with you...Why the SEC wants UNC & Virginia is strange...NCSU & VT seem like better options for football.
I get that UNC is a national brand....but they just don't seem like a fit in the SEC
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I'm not sure anyone would have seriously thought it would have been any different
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I don't think it would be out of spite. They could get into a situation where they play all BIG games or all BIG games with two or three games against the other Super Conference.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:17 amI don’t see the SEC pushing for that to happen for reasons mentioned above. Why would teams want to stop playing the Irish? Out of spite?WASU 93 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:23 pmThe one thing it may do for them is to keep a path open for them to make the CFP. Currently, they have that option, but if the BIG and SEC change the rules (or defect and create their own level of College Sports), Notre Dame is going to have to fall in line. Also, their TV Deal could go south if their former PAC and current BIG rivals decide to flex their own muscle when it comes to games with Notre Dame, or no longer have room in the schedule to play the Irish.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:47 pmMaybe. But they don’t need the money. They are already a top 10 revenue school with its own media deal for football and other sports. Joining the BIG does nothing for them that they can’t do for themselves. Should be interesting to see how this unfolds.bcoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:41 pmI firmly believe ND will be in the BIG. Money will win out.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:14 pm
The ACC is in pretty good position to come out of this in a good spot, if not the best spot. They have the inside track at getting ND to join the ACC. They are members in all sports sans football and the ACC is good with the current deal they have with ND. Both sides win. ND doesn’t need to join a league for football. The BIG wants ND. The SEC knows that it has little to no shot of getting ND and is just fine with keeping ND happy so that they don’t join the BIG.
As long as ND holds out, and there is no reason for them to cave, this either becomes a standstill for completion, or the BIG and SEC go another direction.
When I said flex their muscle, that was in regards to TV rights. I could see a scenario where all BIG games or ESPN games are on their network of choice. In that instance, the Irish's own deal would lose value. Is NBC (or another network) going to pay big $$$ to an independent IRISH program forever?
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What you are suggesting could easily happen. But so can a lot of things. ND Is tied to NBC until 2025 and the ACC until 2028. Could those deals be broken? Of course. But here is the thing. Everyone who has an opinion and they are largely based on the premise that money talks. ESPN is probably OK with ND staying where they are. Why you may ask? ND isn’t a fit for the SEC, which ESPN controls. FOX has the BIG so they really don’t want ND to go there. Honestly, there are so many moving parts and fans that think that there school is the next one to be called, it really is hard to fathom where this ends up.WASU 93 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:07 pmI don't think it would be out of spite. They could get into a situation where they play all BIG games or all BIG games with two or three games against the other Super Conference.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:17 amI don’t see the SEC pushing for that to happen for reasons mentioned above. Why would teams want to stop playing the Irish? Out of spite?WASU 93 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:23 pmThe one thing it may do for them is to keep a path open for them to make the CFP. Currently, they have that option, but if the BIG and SEC change the rules (or defect and create their own level of College Sports), Notre Dame is going to have to fall in line. Also, their TV Deal could go south if their former PAC and current BIG rivals decide to flex their own muscle when it comes to games with Notre Dame, or no longer have room in the schedule to play the Irish.
When I said flex their muscle, that was in regards to TV rights. I could see a scenario where all BIG games or ESPN games are on their network of choice. In that instance, the Irish's own deal would lose value. Is NBC (or another network) going to pay big $$$ to an independent IRISH program forever?
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The only thing easy, schools are going to do what is in their best interest.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:06 pmWhat you are suggesting could easily happen. But so can a lot of things. ND Is tied to NBC until 2025 and the ACC until 2028. Could those deals be broken? Of course. But here is the thing. Everyone who has an opinion and they are largely based on the premise that money talks. ESPN is probably OK with ND staying where they are. Why you may ask? ND isn’t a fit for the SEC, which ESPN controls. FOX has the BIG so they really don’t want ND to go there. Honestly, there are so many moving parts and fans that think that there school is the next one to be called, it really is hard to fathom where this ends up.WASU 93 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:07 pmI don't think it would be out of spite. They could get into a situation where they play all BIG games or all BIG games with two or three games against the other Super Conference.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:17 amI don’t see the SEC pushing for that to happen for reasons mentioned above. Why would teams want to stop playing the Irish? Out of spite?WASU 93 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:23 pmThe one thing it may do for them is to keep a path open for them to make the CFP. Currently, they have that option, but if the BIG and SEC change the rules (or defect and create their own level of College Sports), Notre Dame is going to have to fall in line. Also, their TV Deal could go south if their former PAC and current BIG rivals decide to flex their own muscle when it comes to games with Notre Dame, or no longer have room in the schedule to play the Irish.
When I said flex their muscle, that was in regards to TV rights. I could see a scenario where all BIG games or ESPN games are on their network of choice. In that instance, the Irish's own deal would lose value. Is NBC (or another network) going to pay big $$$ to an independent IRISH program forever?
App is in the best position it has ever been in since joining the FBS. We are in a conference we can compete in and the teams we are competing against care about their athletics and most importantly their school.
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Completely agree that schools are going to do what is in their best interest. As it should be. My point is that most people don’t really understand what that means. Reading message boards of schools like Carolina and ECU is pretty interesting because the rationale for making moves is quite ego centric.AppWyo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:03 pmThe only thing easy, schools are going to do what is in their best interest.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:06 pmWhat you are suggesting could easily happen. But so can a lot of things. ND Is tied to NBC until 2025 and the ACC until 2028. Could those deals be broken? Of course. But here is the thing. Everyone who has an opinion and they are largely based on the premise that money talks. ESPN is probably OK with ND staying where they are. Why you may ask? ND isn’t a fit for the SEC, which ESPN controls. FOX has the BIG so they really don’t want ND to go there. Honestly, there are so many moving parts and fans that think that there school is the next one to be called, it really is hard to fathom where this ends up.WASU 93 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:07 pmI don't think it would be out of spite. They could get into a situation where they play all BIG games or all BIG games with two or three games against the other Super Conference.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:17 amI don’t see the SEC pushing for that to happen for reasons mentioned above. Why would teams want to stop playing the Irish? Out of spite?WASU 93 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:23 pm
The one thing it may do for them is to keep a path open for them to make the CFP. Currently, they have that option, but if the BIG and SEC change the rules (or defect and create their own level of College Sports), Notre Dame is going to have to fall in line. Also, their TV Deal could go south if their former PAC and current BIG rivals decide to flex their own muscle when it comes to games with Notre Dame, or no longer have room in the schedule to play the Irish.
When I said flex their muscle, that was in regards to TV rights. I could see a scenario where all BIG games or ESPN games are on their network of choice. In that instance, the Irish's own deal would lose value. Is NBC (or another network) going to pay big $$$ to an independent IRISH program forever?
App is in the best position it has ever been in since joining the FBS. We are in a conference we can compete in and the teams we are competing against care about their athletics and most importantly their school.
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"Reading message boards of schools like Carolina and ECU is pretty interesting because the rationale for making moves is quite ego centric."
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Both UNC and UVA are flagship universities, like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Ole Miss Texas, Arkansas, and Mizzou. This is the SEC's reason for pursuit.
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This and the North Carolina market.appstate77 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:27 amBoth UNC and UVA are flagship universities, like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Ole Miss Texas, Arkansas, and Mizzou. This is the SEC's reason for pursuit.
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While football absolutely drives the SEC, bringing in UNC and UVA could add to the bball and help challenge for overall conference supremacy against the B1G. Having strength across all platforms could further add to the ability to break from the NCAA, which has always been the popular rumor.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:19 amThis and the North Carolina market.appstate77 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:27 amBoth UNC and UVA are flagship universities, like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Ole Miss Texas, Arkansas, and Mizzou. This is the SEC's reason for pursuit.
That, coupled with the fact that neither school challenges the current SEC members in football, but adds viewers and name recognition, could be seen as a reason to add both.
Can you imagine how much of a pre-season paper Tiger UNC will be as members of the SEC? They’ll consistently be ranked top 10 in every poll, only to finish 6-6 and 25th 🤪
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I think that you are right here. Keeping Virginia and UNC from being B1G schools would be at the top of the list along with the other points you mentioned.BeauFoster wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:03 amWhile football absolutely drives the SEC, bringing in UNC and UVA could add to the bball and help challenge for overall conference supremacy against the B1G. Having strength across all platforms could further add to the ability to break from the NCAA, which has always been the popular rumor.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:19 amThis and the North Carolina market.appstate77 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:27 amBoth UNC and UVA are flagship universities, like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Ole Miss Texas, Arkansas, and Mizzou. This is the SEC's reason for pursuit.
That, coupled with the fact that neither school challenges the current SEC members in football, but adds viewers and name recognition, could be seen as a reason to add both.
Can you imagine how much of a pre-season paper Tiger UNC will be as members of the SEC? They’ll consistently be ranked top 10 in every poll, only to finish 6-6 and 25th 🤪
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Agree that moving to the SEC doesn’t really help them get better in football. The other aspect is the SEC doesn’t sponsor many of the sports that UNC excels in. So while joining the SEC in football and basketball looks like a cool thing, what do they do with their elite level soccer, lacrosse, and women’s field hockey teams?BeauFoster wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:03 amWhile football absolutely drives the SEC, bringing in UNC and UVA could add to the bball and help challenge for overall conference supremacy against the B1G. Having strength across all platforms could further add to the ability to break from the NCAA, which has always been the popular rumor.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:19 amThis and the North Carolina market.appstate77 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:27 amBoth UNC and UVA are flagship universities, like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Ole Miss Texas, Arkansas, and Mizzou. This is the SEC's reason for pursuit.
That, coupled with the fact that neither school challenges the current SEC members in football, but adds viewers and name recognition, could be seen as a reason to add both.
Can you imagine how much of a pre-season paper Tiger UNC will be as members of the SEC? They’ll consistently be ranked top 10 in every poll, only to finish 6-6 and 25th 🤪
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I did hear an interesting theory on Friday on sports radio in Raleigh - I'm not sure who the college football "expert" was but his thought was regarding UNC as an example - If UNC bolted the ACC of course they would lose the media rights money - his thinking was that the Big 10 has so much money they could make a donation to the UNC education foundation for the yearly amounts UNC loses - I have no idea if this legal or even being considered but it was an interesting take - he said if 4-5 ACC teams jumped it would not be possible to cover them all ---
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They are not going to the SEC. Both will be going to the BIG as it is just a much better fit.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:38 amAgree that moving to the SEC doesn’t really help them get better in football. The other aspect is the SEC doesn’t sponsor many of the sports that UNC excels in. So while joining the SEC in football and basketball looks like a cool thing, what do they do with their elite level soccer, lacrosse, and women’s field hockey teams?BeauFoster wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:03 amWhile football absolutely drives the SEC, bringing in UNC and UVA could add to the bball and help challenge for overall conference supremacy against the B1G. Having strength across all platforms could further add to the ability to break from the NCAA, which has always been the popular rumor.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:19 amThis and the North Carolina market.appstate77 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:27 amBoth UNC and UVA are flagship universities, like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Ole Miss Texas, Arkansas, and Mizzou. This is the SEC's reason for pursuit.
That, coupled with the fact that neither school challenges the current SEC members in football, but adds viewers and name recognition, could be seen as a reason to add both.
Can you imagine how much of a pre-season paper Tiger UNC will be as members of the SEC? They’ll consistently be ranked top 10 in every poll, only to finish 6-6 and 25th 🤪