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So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:27 pm
by t4pizza
BYU strikes first but I am sure they will not be the last school to get a private company to use NIL to bypass the 85 scholarship limits. Now ALL 36 walk ons will be paid enough to pay for their tuition which is essentially giving them a football scholarship even though it isn't called that. How this isn't pay for play is beyond me because there is no way that a walk on to BYU, or any football team, has ANY marketable value.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... tball-team

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:11 pm
by Saint3333
You could see this coming from a mile away.

Nothing can stop the top schools from reverting to the Bear Bryant days of Bama recruiting additional players to prevent others from signing them.

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:43 pm
by Seattleapp
Dude this is about poor kids having pizza money. Where’s your compassion 🤔??

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:11 am
by VNova
All I'm seeing with BYU is that Liberty is going to end up being able to compete with Notre Dame by the end of the decade.

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:22 am
by yosef95
By the spirit of the rule is players can use their own likeness/marketability whatever. Fine. But walkon players arent marketable to anything. They are just giving $$. This is going to ruin college sports. Someone can just unlimited $ to a player looking at their program and just say or he's representing my accounting firm, whatever

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:53 am
by bigdaddyg
Help me understand exactly what the definition of a walk-on is. Doesn’t it basically mean that the school you are attending has deemed that you really aren’t good enough to merit a scholarship but could maybe earn one? If you are good enough to play at that level perhaps you could have earned a scholarship at another school? So these 35 or so students will get paid and can choose to use the money for school costs or not?

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:24 pm
by mike87
How about this, if I'm giving NIL money to an athlete, have I 'hired' that athlete? I could pay my child and expense the college education. Could also get called into a workers compensation or other employment law situation. Worms, can is open.

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:57 pm
by appdaze
I've said on here before that I think the future of college sports is for athletic programs to be separate from the schools and simply represent the university in professional college athletics. It's coming. Now duke, Kentucky, UCLA, etc can recruit all 100 of the top recruits and pay their full basketball schollies with NIL money and the advantage would be those players getting to train/workout with each other in preparation for the NBA instead of working out with lesser talent.

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:14 pm
by ASU3432Mi
Tuition, Room and Board at BYU is $19,236 times 36 walk-ons is $692,496!

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:16 pm
by AtlAppMan
So what is rule for D1 NCAA football right now regarding limits on the number of players on the team? I know there is a 85 scholarship limit but can they have more assuming kid pays his own way?

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:11 pm
by ah59396
ASU3432Mi wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:14 pm
Tuition, Room and Board at BYU is $19,236 times 36 walk-ons is $692,496!
Not a bad price for marketing considering this is national news today.

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:36 pm
by asu66
bigdaddyg wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:53 am
Help me understand exactly what the definition of a walk-on is. Doesn’t it basically mean that the school you are attending has deemed that you really aren’t good enough to merit a scholarship but could maybe earn one? If you are good enough to play at that level perhaps you could have earned a scholarship at another school? So these 35 or so students will get paid and can choose to use the money for school costs or not?
Until rather recently, this was the "code"...now, "Quoth the Raven...

https://www.athleticscholarships.net/20 ... alk-on.htm

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:36 pm
by asu66
bigdaddyg wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:53 am
Help me understand exactly what the definition of a walk-on is. Doesn’t it basically mean that the school you are attending has deemed that you really aren’t good enough to merit a scholarship but could maybe earn one? If you are good enough to play at that level perhaps you could have earned a scholarship at another school? So these 35 or so students will get paid and can choose to use the money for school costs or not?
Until rather recently, this was the "code"...now, "Quoth the Raven..."

https://www.athleticscholarships.net/20 ... alk-on.htm

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:30 pm
by t4pizza
Gonna be a big surprise come tax time for all these walk ons as they will have to declare that income and pay taxes on it. Wonder how many of them will have the money set aside to pay Uncle Sam next April 15?

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:12 pm
by AtlAppMan
A lot of this is going to balance out over time. Talking football here.

For example, even if Bama and others with deep alum pockets pay scholly players and willing walk-ons, at some point if a kid wants to actually play they have to weigh out whether to sit and hope or go where they get on the field. There are only 11 players on the field at a time plus reasonable 2's and 3's rotations. At some point it is the same problem as today. Now they may make more money there but that doesn't help their playing career. In the end I think we still get the same type of player we always have, the guys that want to play at App.

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:16 pm
by bcoach
This is not just about walk-ons folks. Look how it can have a negative for us. When it comes to NIL where do you think the deep pockets are? Ga State in Atlanta, UNCC Charlotte, for example, or APP STATE Boone NC. Where do you think that 4 Star QB will be able to make the most money? I said from day one this was a very bad idea. There was just a kid from Texas who is skipping his senior year of HS for a deal at Ohio State. Inmates are running the asylum.

Re: So much for scholarship limits

Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:02 pm
by Yosef84
bcoach wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:16 pm
This is not just about walk-ons folks. Look how it can have a negative for us. When it comes to NIL where do you think the deep pockets are? Ga State in Atlanta, UNCC Charlotte, for example, or APP STATE Boone NC. Where do you think that 4 Star QB will be able to make the most money? I said from day one this was a very bad idea. There was just a kid from Texas who is skipping his senior year of HS for a deal at Ohio State. Inmates are running the asylum.
I want to say up front that I agree with your overall conclusion that this is a bad idea. The way the door has been thrown wide open is absolutely horrible. That said, programs still have to have an attractive product in order to draw those big dollars. Not all urban schools are going to land the big bucks, but there is not doubt that, all things being equal, NIL favors the urban schools over small town programs like App.